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US: Russia has fired rockets into Ukraine

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I see the presure ramping up on Russia, the Euros may have even temporarily found a testicle or two....

http://news.yahoo.com/us-russia-fired-rockets-ukraine-151819521--politics.html

US: Russia has fired rockets into Ukraine
By DEB RIECHMANN
18 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Stepping up pressure on Moscow, the U.S. on Sunday released satellite images it says show that rockets have been fired from Russia into neighboring eastern Ukraine and that heavy artillery for separatists also has crossed the border.

The images, which came from the U.S. Director of National Intelligence and could not be independently verified by The Associated Press, show blast marks where rockets were launched and craters where they landed. Officials said the images show heavy weapons fired between July 21 and July 26 — after the July 17 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

The four-page memo is part of the Obama administration's push to hold Russia accountable for its activities in neighboring Ukraine and the release could help to persuade the United States' European allies to apply harsher sanctions on Russia.

The timing of the memo also could be aimed at dissuading Russia from further military posturing. The Pentagon said just days ago that the movement of Russian heavy-caliber artillery systems across its border into Ukraine was "imminent."

Russian officials have denied allegations of Russia's involvement in eastern Ukraine. Secretary of State John Kerry spoke on Sunday with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, but details about their discussion have not yet been released by the State Department.


This fourth page of a four page document released by the U.S. State Department in Washington, July 2 …
The U.S. images claim to show multiple rocket launchers fired at Ukrainian forces from within Ukraine and from Russian soil. One image shows dozens of craters around a Ukrainian military unit and rockets that can travel more than seven miles.

The memo said one image provides evidence that Russian forces have "fired across the border at Ukrainian military forces and that Russian-backed separatists have used heavy artillery provided by Russia in attacks on Ukrainian forces from inside Ukraine."

Another satellite image depicted in the memo shows "ground scarring at multiple rocket launch sites on the Russian side of the border oriented in the direction of Ukraine military units within Ukraine."

"The wide areas of impact near the Ukrainian military units indicates fire from multiple rocket launchers," the memo said.


Moreover, the memo included a satellite image that it stated is evidence of self-propelled artillery only found in Russian military units "on the Russian side of the border oriented in the direction of a Ukrainian military unit within Ukraine."


This third page of a four page document released by the U.S. State Department in Washington, July 27 …
Tensions have run high in that region since Russia seized Crimea in March and Washington has been highly critical of Russian President Vladimir Putin's behavior.

More recently, U.S. intelligence officials have said they have what they call a solid circumstantial case that Russian-backed separatists in Eastern Ukraine are responsible for downing the Malaysia Airlines plane. Citing satellite imagery, intercepted conversations and social media postings, officials say a Russian-made SA-11 surface-to-air missile hit the plane on July 17.

Moscow angrily denies any involvement in the attack.

U.S. officials said they still don't know who fired the missile or whether Russian military officers were present when it happened. But until Sunday, they were unwilling to share evidence that the separatists had the technology to down a plane.
 

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'Fake': Russian Defence Min rebuffs US sat image claims
Published time: July 28, 2014 11:29
Edited time: July 28, 2014 12:25
Russia’s Defense Ministry has stated that “fake” satellite images of alleged shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory were created by US counselors “with close links to Ukraine’s Security Council.”

The authenticity of the images is impossible to prove, the ministry added.

The Defense Ministry stated that the images posted by the US ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt on his Twitter account, allegedly proving the shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory, are “fake,”ITAR-TASS reports.

“These materials were posted to Twitter not by accident, as their authenticity is impossible to prove – due to the absence of the attribution to the exact area, and an extremely low resolution. Let alone using them as ‘photographic evidence’,” Igor Konashenkov, the official representative of the ministry, stated.

“Pictures” like this, the general continued, “have also been provided by Kiev representatives as an excuse for the usage of heavy artillery and other weaponry by the Ukrainian army – against the country’s civilian population.”

“Last Friday, Ukrainian Defense Minister Valery Geletey again tried to add a sensational side to photo collages like this in the Ukrainian media – in vain. But on Sunday, the US ambassador to the Ukraine joined in, posting those satellite images on his Twitter page, which secured him the attention of the loyal Ukrainian media,” the Russian ministry said.

This scheme is called “an informational merry-go-round,”Konashenkov added, using an expression commonly uttered in Russia relating to feeding the information to the media.

“It’s no secret to anyone that fakes like this are made by a group of US counselors staying in the Kiev building of the Security Council, led by General Randy Kee,” he noted.

The general outlined the cycle as follows: the US counselors in the Kiev feed the disinformation to the Ukrainian media, with the news being taken by the Washington official representatives and presented as statements.

Afterwards, the Ukrainian media cite the US authorities and publish articles like as “objective.”
 

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Why would anybody believe anything that the US State Department puts out ? Haven't you people been lied too enough ? Go back over 100 years and find me one instance where the US Government, or any Government told the truth about anything ?

BS
 

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Why would anybody believe anything that the Russian State puts out ? Haven't you people been lied too enough ? Go back over 100 years and find me one instance where the Russian Government, or any other dictatorship told the truth about anything ?

BS
Fixed your post
 

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Why on earth would the US fake these photos? So they can arm twist Europe into sanctions??

Wouldn't the Germans and French have their own satellite recce photos, to prove that the US photos were fake? And the Europeans have been foot-dragging like motherfuckers to avoid having to sanction Russia and they'd be the last people to go along with fake photos by the US.

Or is this all supposed to be a clever scam by the US to sell its own gas to Europe? At the risk of World War Three? And given the fact that the conflict should be over in a week or two, given Kiev's recent military successes, the sanctions are probably going to be short-lived and all will be back to normal by gas-selling season in October. So there implodes your "gas market heist" scenario.

Balance of probabilities, the photos are real and the Russians are really doing exactly what Kiev and Washington accuse them of.
 

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'Fake': Russian Defence Min rebuffs US sat image claims
Published time: July 28, 2014 11:29
Edited time: July 28, 2014 12:25
Russia’s Defense Ministry has stated that “fake” satellite images of alleged shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory were created by US counselors “with close links to Ukraine’s Security Council.”

The authenticity of the images is impossible to prove, the ministry added.

The Defense Ministry stated that the images posted by the US ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt on his Twitter account, allegedly proving the shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory, are “fake,”ITAR-TASS reports.

“These materials were posted to Twitter not by accident, as their authenticity is impossible to prove – due to the absence of the attribution to the exact area, and an extremely low resolution. Let alone using them as ‘photographic evidence’,” Igor Konashenkov, the official representative of the ministry, stated.

“Pictures” like this, the general continued, “have also been provided by Kiev representatives as an excuse for the usage of heavy artillery and other weaponry by the Ukrainian army – against the country’s civilian population.”

“Last Friday, Ukrainian Defense Minister Valery Geletey again tried to add a sensational side to photo collages like this in the Ukrainian media – in vain. But on Sunday, the US ambassador to the Ukraine joined in, posting those satellite images on his Twitter page, which secured him the attention of the loyal Ukrainian media,” the Russian ministry said.

This scheme is called “an informational merry-go-round,”Konashenkov added, using an expression commonly uttered in Russia relating to feeding the information to the media.

“It’s no secret to anyone that fakes like this are made by a group of US counselors staying in the Kiev building of the Security Council, led by General Randy Kee,” he noted.

The general outlined the cycle as follows: the US counselors in the Kiev feed the disinformation to the Ukrainian media, with the news being taken by the Washington official representatives and presented as statements.

Afterwards, the Ukrainian media cite the US authorities and publish articles like as “objective.”
Talk about non-credible sources....

OTB
 

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In the continuing Theatre of the Weird that is Donetsk, "Minister of Defence" Strelkov emerges from a couple of days of hiding / sleeping / crying to announce that his guys have killed "negroes". Yup, negroes.

Of course, he's also the guy who told the world that the Malaysian plane was pre-loaded with stale corpses to create a fake tragedy. And then, Putin told him to take that fucking story down from his official "Novorossiya" social media page and Strelkov went back to the normal "UKrainians did it" story that all Russians now use officially.Just to give you an idea of the kind of icky we're dealing with when we deal w Russians.


"Partially putting questions to rest on his whereabouts, a sullen and dishevelled Girkin held a private press conference today for Russian journalists. The discussion centered mostly on battle reports, the heightening of attacks from Ukrainian forces, and continued denial of MH17 involvement, but notably mentioned that his men had killed four mercenaries operating Ukrainian tanks near the Russian border – “from the negroid race,” as he put it. In total, he says his forces have killed 165 American mercenaries, and 139 Polish. Girkin has been known to make controversial and baseless statements, recently espousing a conspiracy theory that MH17 was full of corpses, drained of their blood, and detonated in a plot to discredit his men." http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/07/...borodai-antyufeyev-negroid-race-bezler-tanks/
 

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Talk about non-credible sources....

OTB
You go with Obama and Kerry:

"Kerry to Russia: You Can't Just Invade a Country on False Pretences"
 

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You go with Obama and Kerry:

"Kerry to Russia: You Can't Just Invade a Country on False Pretences"
Do you sincerely take Russia as being credible on this or is your anti-American shit disturber working overtime - I'd respect the latter more frankly.
 

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Do you sincerely take Russia as being credible on this or is your anti-American shit disturber working overtime - I'd respect the latter more frankly.
I do not consider anybody credible. What I know is, that when the elephants fight, the mice get trampled to death. Same if the elephants make love.

But it warms my heart that you are solidly behind kerry.
 

mandrill

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I do not consider anybody credible. What I know is, that when the elephants fight, the mice get trampled to death.

But it warms my heart that you are solidly behind Kerry.
Unfortunately, and it's happening in Ukraine as we speak. But sometimes, one of the elephants is far more culpable than the others. And in this case, it's the elephant with fighting men, tanks and missiles actually killing people on the ground.
 
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