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US Corporate Profits - Highest ever last Quarter - yet no jobs to speak of

james t kirk

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The nation’s workers may be struggling, but American companies just had their best quarter ever.

American businesses earned profits at an annual rate of $1.66 trillion in the third quarter, according to a Commerce Department report released Tuesday. That is the highest figure recorded since the government began keeping track over 60 years ago, at least in nominal or non-inflation-adjusted terms.

Corporate profits have been going gangbusters for a while. Since their cyclical low in the fourth quarter of 2008, profits have grown for seven consecutive quarters, at some of the fastest rates in history. This breakneck pace can be partly attributed to strong productivity growth — which means companies have been able to make more with less — as well as the fact that some of the profits of American companies come from abroad. Economic conditions in the United States may still be sluggish, but many emerging markets like India and China are expanding rapidly.

Tuesday’s Commerce Department report also showed that the nation’s output grew at a slightly faster pace than originally estimated last quarter. Its growth rate, of 2.5 percent a year in inflation-adjusted terms, is higher than the initial estimate of 2 percent. The economy grew at 1.7 percent annual rate in the second quarter.

Still, most economists say the current growth rate is far too slow to recover the considerable ground lost during the recession.

“The economy is not growing fast enough to reduce significantly the unemployment rate or to prevent a slide into deflation,” Paul Dales, a United States economist for Capital Economics, wrote in a note to clients. “This is unlikely to change in 2011 or 2012.”

The increase in output in the third quarter was driven primarily by stronger consumer spending. Wages and salaries also rose in the third quarter, which might help bolster holiday spending in the final months of 2010.

Private inventory investment, nonresidential fixed investment, exports and federal government also contributed to higher output. These sources of growth were partially offset by a rise in imports, which are subtracted from the total output numbers the government calculates, and a decline in housing and other residential fixed investments.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/business/economy/24econ.html?_r=1
 

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One wonders.

Are the big corporations conspiring against Obama?

Keep the unemployment high so he gets turfed?

Na, they couldn't be that evil. Could they?
 

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Yes Globalism, as predicted, is doing great for the top 2% in the USA....


The rest..........well let them eat cake.....
 

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Economics 101 folks.

Stocks and profits are a leading indicator.

Employment is a lagging indicator.

Or it could be the anti-kenyan conspiracy...
 

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The US economy (and others but let's focus on the US as that's the point of this article) has become much more efficient / productive. Employees are often the most expensive cost component, especially in developed economies where 70% of GDP is the services sector. Companies have found ways to expand and grow revenue fast than they have grown the costs of labor which means that as the economy grows companies will earn more but will not necessarily hire more.

To some extent I also think that uncertainty about the future of economic activity, tax policy, healthcare policy is making companies (and most importantly for small business where most new jobs are created) conservative about taking on new costs.

Simplistic explanations of globalization and conspiracies are for the ill informed and simple minded.

OTB
 

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That is the highest figure recorded since the government began keeping track over 60 years ago, at least in nominal or non-inflation-adjusted terms.
In other words, it's not really the highest ever recorded.
 

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To some extent I also think that uncertainty about the future of economic activity, tax policy, healthcare policy is making companies (and most importantly for small business where most new jobs are created) conservative about taking on new costs.

Simplistic explanations of globalization and conspiracies are for the ill informed and simple minded.

OTB
OTB: you forgot to give some credit to the POTUS..lol
For this to happen, some of his economic policies must be working ? True or false ?
 

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OTB: you forgot to give some credit to the POTUS..lol
I think much of the uncertainty that is causing small firms to hold of on hiring is driven by the POTUS policy - so I'd be happy to give him that credit.

OTB
 

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That is a contradiction, if the business environment is bad or uncertain, companies
do not make huge profits !
I didn't say the business environment was bad I said that the public policy environment was uncertain - not knowing what your taxes will be, what health care costs will be is not conducive to expanding the cost side of your business - do more with the same is a better strategy in an uncertain environment.

OTB
 

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I didn't say the business environment was bad I said that the public policy environment was uncertain - not knowing what your taxes will be, what health care costs will be is not conducive to expanding the cost side of your business - do more with the same is a better strategy in an uncertain environment.

OTB
lol any company with a good CPA can easily crunch those numbers. Companies are dealing with uncertainty all the time.
That's why they hire number crunchers.
Anyway I don't know what my taxes will be for 2010. Should I close TERB ?
 

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I didn't say the business environment was bad I said that the public policy environment was uncertain - not knowing what your taxes will be, what health care costs will be is not conducive to expanding the cost side of your business - do more with the same is a better strategy in an uncertain environment.

OTB
Basically the BS smoke & mirrors argument made by Corporatist apologists!

Point is the top 2% are doing great because they hire people for <$1/hr in third world countries instead of their own people who they out of GREED, fear they have have to pay a living wage and receive benefits to boot. Then these Judas Corporatist's import their slave labor products into the USA to fatten their bottom lines while US workers, they stabbed in the back, collect UI....
 

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lol any company with a good CPA can easily crunch those numbers. Companies are dealing with uncertainty all the time.
That's why they hire number crunchers.
Anyway I don't know what my taxes will be for 2010. Should I close TERB ?
You must not be following US politics, there are a series of tax cuts that expire in 5 weeks that make a large difference for small companies that file as individuals - not knowing what the tax policy will be makes it less certain that just "crunching the numbers".

I'm sure you do know what your tax liability is if you just "crunch the numbers".

OTB
 

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Basically the BS smoke & mirrors argument made by Corporatist apologists!

Point is the top 2% are doing great because they hire people for <$1/hr in third world countries instead of their own people who they out of GREED, fear they have have to pay a living wage and receive benefits to boot. Then these Judas Corporatist's import their slave labor products into the USA to fatten their bottom lines while US workers, they stabbed in the back, collect UI....
See simple minded comment earlier.....

OTB
 

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You must not be following US politics, there are a series of tax cuts that expire in 5 weeks that make a large difference for small companies that file as individuals - not knowing what the tax policy will be makes it less certain that just "crunching the numbers".

I'm sure you do know what your tax liability is if you just "crunch the numbers".

OTB
regardless tax policy is just one of the many uncertainties that a business has to deal with. It's just one of many variables. A good manager will simply factor the uncertainty into his decision
model. I don't need to follow US politics to understand that!
 

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The US economy (and others but let's focus on the US as that's the point of this article) has become much more efficient / productive. Employees are often the most expensive cost component, especially in developed economies where 70% of GDP is the services sector. Companies have found ways to expand and grow revenue fast than they have grown the costs of labor which means that as the economy grows companies will earn more but will not necessarily hire more.

To some extent I also think that uncertainty about the future of economic activity, tax policy, healthcare policy is making companies (and most importantly for small business where most new jobs are created) conservative about taking on new costs.

Simplistic explanations of globalization and conspiracies are for the ill informed and simple minded.

OTB
all you said here..in bean counter bafflegab was what James said in post 2..
 

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all you said here..in bean counter bafflegab was what James said in post 2..
bottie is real good at bean counter bafflegab and fuzzy numbers!
Learnt that in business school he did!.....
 

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What Obama needs is the jobs market to turn on in 2011 or 2012 - which unfortunately for him, they are not saying is going to happen.
 

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regardless tax policy is just one of the many uncertainties that a business has to deal with. It's just one of many variables. A good manager will simply factor the uncertainty into his decision
model. I don't need to follow US politics to understand that!
Bingo, add the uncertanty of health care expenses / policy and you have a good managers decision, which is to hold off on hiring until either the policies get set, the increased revenue is going to continue....

OTB
 
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