Update: Meeting with Rachel

[tropico]

I have kept in contact with Rachel as she has left the industry and returned periodically, as she has gone through university, travelled the globe and changed her life in so many ways.

We still have a "relationship" as I have seen her over the years, even travelling as far as England, to "visit" and partake in her "services" as she moved from place to place.

For those who have seen her, from her early days at Ambers' to her days as an independant, know the quality and genuine "affection" she showed was just that - GENUINE. She is a very "talented" girl orally, intellectually, verbally, and the hour always ended far too soon with her. Some of you may remember her as a BBW with a beautiful face, AMAZING oral talents, bedroom eyes, and a smashing smile.

I saw her last week, in KW, at her home that she just purchased. She is writing a book, about her experience as a sex trade worker, and has a contract and pre-signing with MacMillan books - focusing on the aspect of sex addiction and prostitution - from both sides. The John and the SP.

She has finished school - and has a Bachelor's of the Arts in Literature and Journalism.

It gets me thinking -

What do we really know about the SP's we see? I know that some of us don't care....but speaking to Rachel makes me believe that all of the $ I have spent over the years went towards something...

As for Rachel and myself, even though she has "retired", we will continue to see one another. Our last visit, I didn't pay a thing. I brought a bottle of wine, some chinese takeout and she interviewed me, and asked my opinion about working girls, their quality of life, and the thought of falling in love with a working girl.....then we f*&ked like crazy on the living room floor. We then laid in front of her fireplace sipping wine, and talking until the wee hours.

I had left her an envelope early in the evening, containing a hefty "tribute" which I found tucked into the inner pocket of my suit when I arrived home. I was surprised, and frankly, pleased.

A few question to all of us, on behalf of Rachel's research:

What do you really know about the girls you see?
Do you even want to know anything about them?
Do you think that love is possible, between a John and an SP?
For those of us who are married: why do we stray - is it sexual or emotional?
FEEL FREE TO PM IF UNCOMFORTABLE POSTING PUBLICLY.

Cheers,
Tony

PS. Rachel said to me that she never really considered herself as a prostitute - she always saw herself as a courtesan. I went home and looked up the definition, not wanting to admit during our meeting that I did not know the meaning:

a paramour, esp. one associating with noblemen or men of wealth or high social standing.

Made me smile.

 

[alphanig]

don't get in a paddy nancy! who gives a flyin toss yeh

 

[tropico]

Not the type of reply I was looking for.... lol.

Far too Irish for this Englishman.

To each his own.

Says alot about who you are and where you come from.....council estate perhaps?
Mother worked as a launderer for the better class?



Cheers,
Tony

 

[calloway]

Tell Rachel that if she wants to get naked in front of her fireplace... drink wine and have wild sex with me for free until the wee morning hours... I would be honoured to share my years of wisdom being a male slut.

 

[xyzz]

What do you really know about the girls you see?
It all depends upon how close you get to her. I was very close once…..too close and we shared everything about ourselves….everything. Yes, I really knew her and she knew me.

Do you even want to know anything about them?
Yes and no…it’s the connection/ click factor and u can usually read that in the first five minutes or so.

Do you think that love is possible, between a John and an SP?
It is possible…it can happen anywhere, anytime.

For those of us who are married: why do we stray - is it sexual or emotional?
I was married…separated now. My marriage was over and I was just going through the motions for the last few years. Why did I stray…I don’t know.

Tony,
I hope this helps.

Live hard, live intensely, experience all that you can - you won't have regrets later.

Cheers

 

[wildbigguy]

Interesting thread.
What do you really know about the girls you see?
Usually not much because I rarely see an SP more than once(will probably change that rule in the future though)
Do you even want to know anything about them?
Yea I do have an interest in their feelings and dreams for the future. I enjoy talking with an SP that I am with and hope that they are in this business for their own (noble?) reasons and not because of some drug dependency or because they are forced to work in this field. I try and offer encouragement in what they plan on doing with themselves in the future. I honestly care about the SP's feelings that I see and hope that I can provide them with something in the session as well.
Do you think that love is possible, between a John and an SP?
Yes for sure. I can think of a few ladies I have seen that if I were single I would ask out on a date regardless of them being in this industry.
For those of us who are married: why do we stray - is it sexual or emotional?
Being a married guy its probably a 90%sexual 10% emotional thing. Some of my buddies ask why I "hobby" when I have such a beautiful wife(easily more attractive than 80% of the SP's I have seen). I guess it comes down to I just need a little "taste" of something different from time to time. Am I selfish? Yes I am.Am I proud of what I do? Not at all. I justify it with the fact people pay someone else to cut their hair, give them a manicure/pedicure or to provide some sort of service for them every day.Why can't I go and see an SP once every 6-8 weeks, treat each other with mutual respect and enjoy an amazing hour of sexual bliss? I am paying for a service and that is all.At the end of the session I hope we both feel great and say our "goodbye's" and I go on my merry way.

 

[Saskatchewan]

What do you really know about the girls you see?
Do you even want to know anything about them?
Do you think that love is possible, between a John and an SP?
For those of us who are married: why do we stray - is it sexual or emotional?
FEEL FREE TO PM IF UNCOMFORTABLE POSTING PUBLICLY.

For starters I think this story is hogwash, at least the part about the envelope - and the part about her having a BA in Literature and Journalism also seems far fetched and suspicious. But let me answer your questions nevertheless. What do I know about the girls I see? Mostly, just what they look like and their skill set (or lack of). Sometimes I ask them where they are from, and basically I leave it at that. I do not believe love is possible between a John and an SP, and if the notion of it entered your mind, then you have lost perspective. My own 'world wisdom' as you call it, has taught me that sex is simply a commodity which can be bought, sold, or traded just like anything else. That may sound crass and shrewed, perhaps even overly simplistic. But with such a black and white view of the matter, love doesn't enter the equation. Lust is not love my friend, although they can sometimes bear a resemblance.

 

[dj1470]

Why are you regurgitating this old thread?
I mean who cares? Really?
Why relive this old and dead drama?

 

[xtc4u]

For starters I think this story is hogwash, at least the part about the envelope - and the part about her having a BA in Literature and Journalism also seems far fetched and suspicious. But let me answer your questions nevertheless. What do I know about the girls I see? Mostly, just what they look like and their skill set (or lack of). Sometimes I ask them where they are from, and basically I leave it at that. I do not believe love is possible between a John and an SP, and if the notion of it entered your mind, then you have lost perspective. My own 'world wisdom' as you call it, has taught me that sex is simply a commodity which can be bought, sold, or traded just like anything else. That may sound crass and shrewed, perhaps even overly simplistic. But with such a black and white view of the matter, love doesn't enter the equation. Lust is not love my friend, although they can sometimes bear a resemblance.

exactly,
who the hell cares?
sounds like tropico is either trying to blow his own horn or a very feeble attempt to promote yet another book about the business...all this since "diary of a call callgirl" started on hbo
why would anyone want to bring this thread back to life?

 

[Saskatchewan]

...all this since "diary of a call callgirl" started on hbo

You must admit though, that was not a bad show. Little Rose from Dr Who being the call girl. Bloody brilliant!

 

[Stoo]

I would be honoured to share my years of wisdom being a male slut.

MacMillan's deal is only for one book, not a boxed set...

 

[Stoo]

But with such a black and white view of the matter, love doesn't enter the equation. Lust is not love my friend, although they can sometimes bear a resemblance.

Speak for yourself PA. Many of us develop great affection for some of these girls, and consider them to be friends. I'm not naive and readily recognize that is generally a "superficial" friendship, but a friendship none-the-less.

Why would you be so skeptical of Rachel earning a degree? A BA is readily attainable by someone with a decent brain and a little persistence. I woud share your feeling if it was a Ph.D. in Theoretical Physics, but BAs are pretty common...