update - Trump refuses to bring back Abrego Garcia, sets up constitutional crisis with USSC

mandrill

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The Judge should demand the Sec State make a formal request to return him subject to sanctions if he refuses and if they don't bring him back put a ban on all deportations until they come up with a acceptable judicial review process. Or they can prove they can correct errors.
They should block any deportations to El S and all deportations done without a proper hearing
 
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Conil

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Looks like Abrego Garcia is a gang banger and Illegal, I don't blame them for not wanting him back and I doubt they can force Trump to take him back and there's no reason for the Salvadorian president to send him back.
 

mandrill

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Looks like Abrego Garcia is a gang banger and Illegal, I don't blame them for not wanting him back and I doubt they can force Trump to take him back and there's no reason for the Salvadorian president to send him back.
Nice try. Garcia may or may not be a whole bunch of stuff, but no one has proven shit. And it's basic to any developed western democracy that you get due process and a court hearing if you're accused of anything.

So it's the legal principal that's fundamental. If you went to the USA and the cops decided that you murdered some guy you'd never even seen and sent you to El S, you'd sure as fuck want a court hearing as well. Because mistakes happen and the wrong people get accused all the time. And if the cops - or ICE - decide they don't even have to justify that suspicion to a judge before sending someone to a death camp, then anyone the cops don't like is going to disappear one day.
 

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Looks like Abrego Garcia is a gang banger and Illegal, I don't blame them for not wanting him back and I doubt they can force Trump to take him back and there's no reason for the Salvadorian president to send him back.
I think you are probably correct that no one can force Trump to bring him back. He is just going to give SCOTUS the middle finger; they have no means to force him to obey their orders.
 
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Conil

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I think you are probably correct that no one can force Trump to bring him back. He is just going to give SCOTUS the middle finger; they have no means to force him to obey their orders.
Bondi said in a interview today with Trump that they will facilitate the return by providing a plane, but it was up to Salvador to return him.

Attorney General Bondi says Supreme Court's ruling on wrongly deported man was win for the administration
From CNN's Piper Hudspeth Blackburn

Attorney General Pam Bondi said tonight that the Supreme Court’s ruling ordering the Trump administration to facilitate the return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, was “a win.”

“What the court also said was that these district judges do not have the right to interfere with the executive branch’s ability to conduct foreign affairs,” she told Fox News’ Jesse Watters. “What they also said is just ‘facilitate.’ Meaning, if he wanted a plane flight, we could give him a plane flight, but we cannot effectuate it, meaning making it happen, which is what the district court had originally ruled it was. It was a win.”

In its ruling, the Supreme Court said that a lower court judge had properly instructed the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return but said the earlier directive was unclear and needed clarification. The clarification, the high court said, needed to be made with “due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.”

Bondi added that “but for an extra step in paperwork,” Abrego Garcia would “go right back” to El Salvador, his “home country.”

 
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Conil

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Nice try. Garcia may or may not be a whole bunch of stuff, but no one has proven shit. And it's basic to any developed western democracy that you get due process and a court hearing if you're accused of anything.

So it's the legal principal that's fundamental. If you went to the USA and the cops decided that you murdered some guy you'd never even seen and sent you to El S, you'd sure as fuck want a court hearing as well. Because mistakes happen and the wrong people get accused all the time. And if the cops - or ICE - decide they don't even have to justify that suspicion to a judge before sending someone to a death camp, then anyone the cops don't like is going to disappear one day.
He's not coming back

Attorney General Bondi says Supreme Court's ruling on wrongly deported man was win for the administration
From CNN's Piper Hudspeth Blackburn

Attorney General Pam Bondi said tonight that the Supreme Court’s ruling ordering the Trump administration to facilitate the return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, was “a win.”

“What the court also said was that these district judges do not have the right to interfere with the executive branch’s ability to conduct foreign affairs,” she told Fox News’ Jesse Watters. “What they also said is just ‘facilitate.’ Meaning, if he wanted a plane flight, we could give him a plane flight, but we cannot effectuate it, meaning making it happen, which is what the district court had originally ruled it was. It was a win.”

In its ruling, the Supreme Court said that a lower court judge had properly instructed the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return but said the earlier directive was unclear and needed clarification. The clarification, the high court said, needed to be made with “due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.”

Bondi added that “but for an extra step in paperwork,” Abrego Garcia would “go right back” to El Salvador, his “home country.”
“And President (Nayib) Bukele does not want to give him back to the United States, nor do we want him back,” she continued.

 

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He's not coming back

Attorney General Bondi says Supreme Court's ruling on wrongly deported man was win for the administration
From CNN's Piper Hudspeth Blackburn

Attorney General Pam Bondi said tonight that the Supreme Court’s ruling ordering the Trump administration to facilitate the return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, was “a win.”

“What the court also said was that these district judges do not have the right to interfere with the executive branch’s ability to conduct foreign affairs,” she told Fox News’ Jesse Watters. “What they also said is just ‘facilitate.’ Meaning, if he wanted a plane flight, we could give him a plane flight, but we cannot effectuate it, meaning making it happen, which is what the district court had originally ruled it was. It was a win.”

In its ruling, the Supreme Court said that a lower court judge had properly instructed the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return but said the earlier directive was unclear and needed clarification. The clarification, the high court said, needed to be made with “due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.”

Bondi added that “but for an extra step in paperwork,” Abrego Garcia would “go right back” to El Salvador, his “home country.”
“And President (Nayib) Bukele does not want to give him back to the United States, nor do we want him back,” she continued.

 

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Nice try. Garcia may or may not be a whole bunch of stuff, but no one has proven shit. And it's basic to any developed western democracy that you get due process and a court hearing if you're accused of anything.

So it's the legal principal that's fundamental. If you went to the USA and the cops decided that you murdered some guy you'd never even seen and sent you to El S, you'd sure as fuck want a court hearing as well. Because mistakes happen and the wrong people get accused all the time. And if the cops - or ICE - decide they don't even have to justify that suspicion to a judge before sending someone to a death camp, then anyone the cops don't like is going to disappear one day.
That is white privilage speaking. He is latino so he must be a gangbanger right?
 
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