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update - Judge Boasberg ponders contempt proceedings vs Trump administration

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Hold on Mandy...would it be ok for Trump to defy Supreme court ruling?.........the way Joe Biden did? Or is that a "fascist move".

Trumpnis basically pushing the envelope but all within the rules...he appeals...he at least does it...
He's proving every lefty wrong....
And @squeezer ... you still can't call him racist and misogynist...lol..
 

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But if the chief judge says:

"Motherfucker, we won't allow you to defend this Billion $$$$$ lawsuit from XYZ Corp because you are flagrantly in contempt of other past rulings of this court", Trump is completely fucked.

Judges will do shit like that to get your attention.
Chief judge?
Who would this chief judge be?

(I'm just trying to figure out what level of court you think this could happen in.)
 

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On Saturday afternoon, flight tracking databases showed three flights scheduled to depart from the Harlingen, Texas, airport on planes operated by a company that contracts with Immigration & Customs Enforcement to do deportation flights. Two of the aircraft registered flight plans headed for Honduras and one for El Salvador.

Video posted online Saturday showed a bus approaching the airport accompanied by law enforcement vehicles. According to the post, immigration lawyer Jaime Diez recorded the images of immigrants from the El Valle detention center in Raymondville, Texas being transferred for deportation.

Earlier Saturday, Diez won an order from a federal judge in Brownsville barring the deportation of Venezuelan Daniel Zacarias Matos. According to a court filing, Zacarias Matos was told Friday he was being taken to the airport to be deported “due to an order from the President,” but the flight didn’t take off because “it did not pass an inspection.”

One of the Honduras flights took off during a break in Boasberg’s hearing, the databases showed. The status of the other two flights is unclear.
Bold face and italics from me for emphasis.
The judge issued his order but one plane already took off and we don't know what happened to the other two.
I haven't yet seen reporting on whether that first one turned back or what have you.
 

mandrill

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Chief judge?
Who would this chief judge be?

(I'm just trying to figure out what level of court you think this could happen in.)
The chief judge of the Federal District Court.
 

mandrill

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Hold on Mandy...would it be ok for Trump to defy Supreme court ruling?.........the way Joe Biden did? Or is that a "fascist move".

Trumpnis basically pushing the envelope but all within the rules...he appeals...he at least does it...
He's proving every lefty wrong....
And @squeezer ... you still can't call him racist and misogynist...lol..
He appeals, but so far his appeals have simply confirmed the lower court rulings.
 

Valcazar

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Hold on Mandy...would it be ok for Trump to defy Supreme court ruling?.........the way Joe Biden did? Or is that a "fascist move".
Please point to the defiance by Biden in question.
How you defy the court has a lot to do with how one should judge the action.
Things like due process and following the law... I know these might be confusing to you, but they matter.

Trumpnis basically pushing the envelope but all within the rules...he appeals...he at least does it...
This is the exact discussion we are having, aren't we?
What is he doing that is flagrant law breaking, what will the courts allow, and what will he do when checked?

He's proving every lefty wrong....
And @squeezer ... you still can't call him racist and misogynist...lol..
He's proved most every warning (whether from "a lefty" or not) correct and he clearly is a racist and misogynist so I don't know why you think squeezer can't call him that.
 
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Valcazar

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Bold face and italics from me for emphasis.
The judge issued his order but one plane already took off and we don't know what happened to the other two.
I haven't yet seen reporting on whether that first one turned back or what have you.
So it looks like one plane landed in El Salvador, so since we do have evidence one of the Honduras flights took off, we should probably assume all three planes were sent and the judge was ignored.
 
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mandrill

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Gotcha.
So they appeal and the suit does not go forward while the appeal is adjudicated.
Chief Judge "Hey Mr Asshole President. You are flagrantly in breach of this court's orders. You are no longer allowed to file or defend ANY lawsuits of any type in this court until you purge your contempt."
 

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Chief Judge "Hey Mr Asshole President. You are flagrantly in breach of this court's orders. You are no longer allowed to file or defend ANY lawsuits of any type in this court until you purge your contempt."
Which he ignores.
Because what is the Chief Judge going to do about it?

Here's the thing, if Trump is determined to ignore the courts, he can.
It will then provoke a constitutional crisis, but he can absolutely do it.

But first off, the Supreme Court can overrule that judge's decision or put a stay on it.
Secondly, the other districts can just decide that the ban on lawsuits doesn't apply in their districts.

You keep thinking that this is somehow about the law when this is actually about power.

Will a judge put that kind of target on their back?
Maybe.

The idea that it just works because it is supposed to work is where I take issue.
 
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Hold on Mandy...would it be ok for Trump to defy Supreme court ruling?.........the way Joe Biden did? Or is that a "fascist move".

Trumpnis basically pushing the envelope but all within the rules...he appeals...he at least does it...
He's proving every lefty wrong....
And @squeezer ... you still can't call him racist and misogynist...lol..
trump is a crook, a fraud artist and a rapist.
He wants to end rules based governance.
He wants to be a mob boss like Putin.

 

mandrill

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Which he ignores.
Because what is the Chief Judge going to do about it?

Here's the thing, if Trump is determined to ignore the courts, he can.
It will then provoke a constitutional crisis, but he can absolutely do it.

But first off, the Supreme Court can overrule that judge's decision or put a stay on it.
Secondly, the other districts can just decide that the ban on lawsuits doesn't apply in their districts.

You keep thinking that this is somehow about the law when this is actually about power.

Will a judge put that kind of target on their back?
Maybe.

The idea that it just works because it is supposed to work is where I take issue.
You don't understand what I wrote. Please re read it.
 

mandrill

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The judge gives an order.
The President ignores it.
What am I not understanding?
The judge then says "You're in contempt of court. Your access to this court to either defend or launch ANY FUTURE CASE IN THIS COURT is now suspended until you purge your contempt."
 
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Valcazar

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The judge then says "You're in contempt of court. Your access to this court to either defend or launch ANY FUTURE CASE IN THIS COURT is now suspended until you purge your contempt."
Cool.
There are other courts.
And that judge can be overruled.

Yes, in the normal world, this would be a significant threat.
We currently don't know if we still live in that world.
How can the judge enforce this?
 
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