U. S. health care pales against others

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Excellent comparison on the great US Healthcare system the 'status quo' apologists spout off as being the 'best in the world'!....:rolleyes:

U. S. health care pales against others

Douglas Turner | Updated: July 13, 2009, 3:42 PM

RIDGEWAY, Ont. — By most accounts, the Canadian Customs inspectors at the Peace Bridge seem a little firmer, less welcoming, even snootier with Yanks than in former years.

Maybe they haven’t fully grasped that Dick Cheney has slipped into an insecure, disclosed location. More likely it’s that they realize Canada has a more effective, more efficient, and less expensive health care system than ours.

By my highly unscientific random survey in this delightful Brigadoon of a village, Canadians either very much like their single-payer system, or don’t strongly oppose it, except for the taxes required to pay for it.

“It’s expensive to be a Canadian,” counseled one better-off acquaintance. “The objective is to escape the taxes here,” said a contractor,

citing what he believes is a total 40 percent tax burden in Ontario. “For those under 65 you pay for your own prescriptions,” he warned.

“I like it,” said a middle-aged short-order cook. “I go to the doctor, I pay nothing. I don’t have a worry about bills.” A sales clerk said of the heavy income and sales taxes, “they’re already here. It’s a good system. I’m proud of my country.”

A senior services vendor speaks of the 18 months of successful cancer treatment his sister received in a Canadian city, with surgery, radiation, drugs and rehabilitation all for free.

There are problems with the Canadian system: Waits for major surgery, interruptions of supplies and the flight of many specialists to the United States where they can make more money. But news is made when expectations aren’t realized, not when they are.

By every measurement, Canadians are in better health than we are. The best index is life expectancy. Out of 225 nations, Canada ranks sixth in longevity, at 81.23 years. The United States is 50th, at 78.11, just ahead of Albania.

This is from current data prepared

by the Central Intelligence Agency. Did you know “The Company” tracked world health trends?

The disparity is nothing new. The last time the World Health Organization rated overall health care, in 2000, the United States ranked 37th and Canada 30th.

A study published in 2003 by the Commonwealth Fund about the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada, Germany and New Zealand gave us low grades for quality, safety, preventive medicine, emergency room care and efficient use of money. A 2008 UNICEF study ranked the United States second from last among developed countries in children’s health.

Canada spends about 10 percent of its gross domestic product on health care. America spends almost 20 percent of its GDP on health care. The salaries paid to the top executives — ranging from the high six figures to seven and eight figures — in the 600 health care plans marketed in the United States is part of the calculation. So are huge advertising budgets mounted for patented prescription drugs, to say nothing of the millions in political and lobbying outlays in Washington and the 50 state capitals.

FamiliesUSA, a nonpartisan group, says soaring premiums and layoffs have cost nearly 7 million Americans out of the coverage blanket since the start of 2008.

Powerful special interests — the ones serving up the malarkey that we have the best health care system in the world — are saying we can’t afford President Obama’s reforms. We can’t afford not to adopt them.

If our system does have a core of greatness, then its best chance of becoming the world’s best for all Americans and the most cost-efficient lies in the central proposal backed by Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N. Y. And that is the public option, a government- supervised program that will force the private sector to embrace the level of service and efficiencies found in the best of the industrialized world.

dturner@buffnews.com
 

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Oh for chrisssakes! Quit trying to befuddle this issue with facts and realities! :rolleyes:

Look, it's the U.S. If you aren't rich or employed, you're shit and you deserve to die. Get the fuck over it already.

It's a democracy and that's what they've chosen. Sure it's mean spirited and unbecoming of human beings, but that's the call they've made. Let them wallow in the filth they've chosen for themselves.

Jeez. Talk about about beating a dead horse...
 

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LOL!
So much for the myth of the compassionate conservative.....:D
 

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wet_suit_one said:
Oh for chrisssakes! Quit trying to befuddle this issue with facts and realities! :rolleyes:

Look, it's the U.S. If you aren't rich or employed, you're shit and you deserve to die. Get the fuck over it already.

It's a democracy and that's what they've chosen. Sure it's mean spirited and unbecoming of human beings, but that's the call they've made. Let them wallow in the filth they've chosen for themselves.

Jeez. Talk about about beating a dead horse...
Trouble is, that's a virus that spreads faster and farther than H1N1.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Excellent comparison on the great US Healthcare system the 'status quo' apologists spout off as being the 'best in the world'!....:rolleyes:

U. S. health care pales against others

Douglas Turner | Updated: July 13, 2009, 3:42 PM

RIDGEWAY, Ont. — By most accounts, the Canadian Customs inspectors at the Peace Bridge seem a little firmer, less welcoming, even snootier with Yanks than in former years.

Maybe they haven’t fully grasped that Dick Cheney has slipped into an insecure, disclosed location. More likely it’s that they realize Canada has a more effective, more efficient, and less expensive health care system than ours.

By my highly unscientific random survey in this delightful Brigadoon of a village, Canadians either very much like their single-payer system, or don’t strongly oppose it, except for the taxes required to pay for it.

“It’s expensive to be a Canadian,” counseled one better-off acquaintance. “The objective is to escape the taxes here,” said a contractor,

citing what he believes is a total 40 percent tax burden in Ontario. “For those under 65 you pay for your own prescriptions,” he warned.

“I like it,” said a middle-aged short-order cook. “I go to the doctor, I pay nothing. I don’t have a worry about bills.” A sales clerk said of the heavy income and sales taxes, “they’re already here. It’s a good system. I’m proud of my country.”

A senior services vendor speaks of the 18 months of successful cancer treatment his sister received in a Canadian city, with surgery, radiation, drugs and rehabilitation all for free.

There are problems with the Canadian system: Waits for major surgery, interruptions of supplies and the flight of many specialists to the United States where they can make more money. But news is made when expectations aren’t realized, not when they are.

By every measurement, Canadians are in better health than we are. The best index is life expectancy. Out of 225 nations, Canada ranks sixth in longevity, at 81.23 years. The United States is 50th, at 78.11, just ahead of Albania.

This is from current data prepared

by the Central Intelligence Agency. Did you know “The Company” tracked world health trends?

The disparity is nothing new. The last time the World Health Organization rated overall health care, in 2000, the United States ranked 37th and Canada 30th.

A study published in 2003 by the Commonwealth Fund about the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada, Germany and New Zealand gave us low grades for quality, safety, preventive medicine, emergency room care and efficient use of money. A 2008 UNICEF study ranked the United States second from last among developed countries in children’s health.

Canada spends about 10 percent of its gross domestic product on health care. America spends almost 20 percent of its GDP on health care. The salaries paid to the top executives — ranging from the high six figures to seven and eight figures — in the 600 health care plans marketed in the United States is part of the calculation. So are huge advertising budgets mounted for patented prescription drugs, to say nothing of the millions in political and lobbying outlays in Washington and the 50 state capitals.

FamiliesUSA, a nonpartisan group, says soaring premiums and layoffs have cost nearly 7 million Americans out of the coverage blanket since the start of 2008.

Powerful special interests — the ones serving up the malarkey that we have the best health care system in the world — are saying we can’t afford President Obama’s reforms. We can’t afford not to adopt them.

If our system does have a core of greatness, then its best chance of becoming the world’s best for all Americans and the most cost-efficient lies in the central proposal backed by Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N. Y. And that is the public option, a government- supervised program that will force the private sector to embrace the level of service and efficiencies found in the best of the industrialized world.

dturner@buffnews.com
I would bet that if you were to have two 9mm slugs in your head you would opt for US healthcare
 

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papasmerf said:
I would bet that if you were to have two 9mm slugs in your head you would opt for US healthcare

That's probably what it would take! No one would choose it voluntarily.
 

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guelph said:
That's probably what it would take! No one would choose it voluntarily.
I would dare say you have no experience with US health care.


Get educated before you respond

Side note

Woody hates the US and is too much of a chickenshit to move or kill himself
 

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papasmerf said:
I would dare say you have no experience with US health care.


Get educated before you respond

Side note

Woody hates the US and is too much of a chickenshit to move or kill himself
I have experience with US Health Care, both as a tourist and working there.

It's got its good points, but mainly bad
 

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papasmerf said:
I would dare say you have no experience with US health care.


Get educated before you respond

Side note

Woody hates the US and is too much of a chickenshit to move or kill himself
The US health care system is excellent if you are a lawyer, pharmaceutical company, insurance company or wealthy. It is an inhibitor of freedom for Americans - they cannot do what they want in life because they must chose occupation based on health care provisions.
 

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papasmerf said:
I would bet that if you were to have two 9mm slugs in your head you would opt for US healthcare
LOL!
A perfect example of your patented 'stream of unconsciousness logic' at its best!...:rolleyes:
 

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chiller_boy said:
The US health care system is excellent if you are a lawyer, pharmaceutical company, insurance company or wealthy.
That sums it up!!!
Most rational folks, this of course excludes JAJA, judge a country by how it treats those not as 'well off' and the sad truth is the USA (the richest country in the world) leaves ~50 million and growing uninsured!
 

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If our system in Canada is so good why are thousands of us fleeing to the US to get treatment? I just found out that a colleague of mine has been travelling every other weekend to a hospital in Atlanta for treatment he can't get up here on a timely basis. That's shameful.
 

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james t kirk said:
I have experience with US Health Care, both as a tourist and working there.

It's got its good points, but mainly bad
Please elaborate.

A few years ago (2002 I think) my aunt from Ireland was travelling with my folks down in New England when she had a fall. They took her to emergency and she was in and out in 2 1/2 hrs with pain medication in hand. Total cost = $18.70 for 20 pills. They accepted her travel medical insurance card on the spot, no questions asked.

Up here she would have been a min of 4-5 hrs with questions asked non-stop.
 

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K Douglas said:
Please elaborate.

A few years ago (2002 I think) my aunt from Ireland was travelling with my folks down in New England when she had a fall. They took her to emergency and she was in and out in 2 1/2 hrs with pain medication in hand. Total cost = $18.70 for 20 pills. They accepted her travel medical insurance card on the spot, no questions asked.

Up here she would have been a min of 4-5 hrs with questions asked non-stop.
An insured person got medical treatment in the US. A point no one has argued or disputed.

But you made up what might have happened here. Evidence please, we've seen the elaboration.
 

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I saw an interesting piece of data in an article in the National post last week.

The admin cost of the US government medicare and medicaid programs is 5%,
wereas it is 8% for the private health plans.
 

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papasmerf said:
I would bet that if you were to have two 9mm slugs in your head you would opt for US healthcare
Been to one of Thailand's 5-Star hospitals, lately? TEN nurses to every patient. No fat asses. No episode of "General Hospital". No Luke and Laura.

Gyaos Baltar.
 

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It's a democracy and that's what they've chosen. Sure it's mean spirited and unbecoming of human beings, but that's the call they've made. Let them wallow in the filth they've chosen for themselves.
yes lets create more situations like this that we find all over Canada:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLplLzys-yg


Look how moral and great compassionate human being we are :rolleyes: aren't we great? government running healthcare let alone anything is full of love and compassion
 

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yes lets create more situations like this that we find all over Canada:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLplLzys-yg


Look how moral and great compassionate human being we are :rolleyes: aren't we great? government running healthcare let alone anything is full of love and compassion

This is pure horseshit. Isn't this the Doctor who is under investigation for fraudulent billing practices.
 

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LOL!
Blinderman can be funny at times.....:D
 

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binderman said:
yes lets create more situations like this that we find all over Canada:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLplLzys-yg


Look how moral and great compassionate human being we are :rolleyes: aren't we great? government running healthcare let alone anything is full of love and compassion

Conservatives for Patients Rights is a front group organized in 2009 by Richard Scott to fight U.S. president Barack Obama's proposals for health reform. According to the Politico news site, Scott has raised $20 million to fight health care reform.[1]

Public relations and advertising

CRC Public Relations -- the conservative PR firm previously known as Creative Response Concepts -- works with Conservatives for Patients Rights. CRC is the firm "that masterminded the 'Swift boat' attacks against 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry," reported the Washington Post. [2]

Part of the group's anti-government healthcare campaign is television ads that feature "horror stories" of Canadian and British residents who "allegedly suffered long waits for surgeries, couldn't get the drugs they needed, or had to come to the United States for treatment." [2] After the release of the 2007 Michael Moore movie "Sicko," industry groups including Health Care America and America's Health Insurance Plans responded with similar scare tactics. [3] [4]
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Maggie Mahar at the Century Foundation's Health Beat blog reports that Scott previously started the for-profit hospital chain in 1987 that later became the $23 billion Columbia/HCA. He was ousted from this post in 1997 after an FBI investigation of Columbia/HCA that led to 14 felony convictions and $1.7 billion in criminal and civil fines for Medicare fraud.[5]




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Creative Response Concepts, an Alexandria, Virginia-based public relations firm, "has many links to the Republican Party and the conservative movement," Eric Boehlert wrote September 10, 2004, in Salon.

"Among its clients are the Republican National Committee, National Republican Congressional Committee and National Republican Senatorial Committee. Its client list also includes the Christian Coalition, National Taxpayers Union, Media Research Council [sic] and Regnery Publishing. Regnery is the firm that published Unfit for Command, the SBVT screed against [John] Kerry's military record," Boehlert wrote.

"Interview requests for CRC's clients are routed through the main switchboard at a single telephone number; extensions 108 and 110 at the same number handle Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, while extensions 109 and 130 are for the Judicial Confirmation Network," Todd Johnston wrote July 5, 2005, in ePluribus Media.

CPR and Rick Scott

Rick Scott is a multimillionaire former hospital CEO who, in 2009, emerged as a prominent leader of the opposition to U.S. President Barack Obama's healthcare reform plans. Scott founded a group called Conservatives for Patients' Rights and put $5 million of his own money towards a television advertising campaign aimed at trying to build resistance to any proposal for a government-run health insurance program. Creative Response Concepts is running the campaign.

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