U.S. case against Khadr collapses

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Looks like somebody made an embarrassing technical error so all the charges were dismissed against Omar Khadr. They had him labelled an "enemy combatant" when it should have been an "unlawful enemy combatant". This doesn't mean he'll be released anytime soon because the US can just keep him in Gitmo until hell freezes over. But it will make the US look even more incompetent if they re-charge him. They already look like they're making these rules up as they go along so recharging him would only confirm that impression. None of the other Gitmo prisoners were deemed "unlawful" either so there will be some serious backpedalling and reclassifying before any more of these prisoners are tried.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070604.wkhadr0604_1/BNStory/International/home

U.S. case against Khadr collapses

PAUL KORING

Globe and Mail Update

June 4, 2007 at 1:09 PM EDT

GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba — All charges against Canadian Omar Khadr were dismissed Monday by a U.S. military judge, who ruled that his tribunal had no jurisdiction to try the alleged terrorist because the government had failed to designate him an "unlawful enemy combatant.''

"Charges are dismissed without prejudice,'' Colonel Peter Brownback said. Congress created the military tribunals to try only so-called "unlawful'' enemy combatants. The military panel that ruled on Mr. Khadr's status designated him only as an "enemy combatant'' in 2004.

Mr. Khadr showed no emotion when the ruling was announced. It was not clear that he understood the ruling. He was quickly hustled out of court.

The judge ruled that his court had no jurisdiction because Congress created the tribunals to deal only with "unlawful enemy combatants.''

Whether Monday's legal bombshell really means that Mr. Khadr faces no charges and might perhaps even be released, or whether the government will find a way to recharge him remains unclear.

At very least it is a huge embarrassment and perhaps a fatal legal setback for the Bush administration, which created the military tribunals system to try alleged foreign terrorists.

The "unlawful'' element of the enemy combatant designation is crucial. For instance, throwing a grenade – as Mr. Khadr is alleged to have done at the end of a firefight in Afghanistan in 2002 – would be a legal act by a lawful enemy combatant. Only if Mr. Khadr were an "unlawful'' combatant could such an act be a war crime or murder.

Mr. Khadr will not be released because of Monday's ruling. The Bush administration has already said he might be held as a prisoner until the end of hostilities in the so-called war on international terrorism.

The jurisdictional issue may, however, affect hundreds of detainees.

None of those who have been through the combatant status panel process have been deemed "unlawful'' enemy combatants.

Wearing drab prison garb and flip-black flops during the two brief sessions Monday, Mr. Khadr refused to stand as his hearing began – signalling disdain for the U.S. military tribunal that was intended to try him on murder and terrorist charges.

Mr. Khadr, now 20 and with a full beard and unruly hair, said nothing during the two sessions.

He has spent more than five years in prison – most of it in solitary confinement at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba – and has gone through one previous false start that scrubbed when the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the military tribunals process as unjust.

Rights groups have cited him as a case study in the myriad flaws in the whole Bush administration's approach to dealing justice to terrorist suspects.

“It's an extremely significant case,” said Jumana Musa, advocacy director at Amnesty International. Ms. Musa said that Mr. Khadr deserves the protections afforded child soldiers under international law because he was a juvenile when the gun battle occurred.

U.S. officials scoff that Mr. Khadr was a child when the alleged incident occurred, saying he was both capable of making his own decisions and actively chose to side with al-Qaeda.

“He could have surrendered,” said John Bellinger, legal adviser to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

The government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper is one of the few – even among the closest allies of the United States – to have voiced no criticism of the tribunal process and it made no effort to bring its citizen home from Guantanamo.

“There no way for a deal [to bring Mr. Khadr home] unless someone is willing to push,” Ms. Musa said.

She remains puzzled by the seeming lack of support for Mr. Khadr's case in Canada.

In the wake of the capture of its sole Guantanamo detainee, Australia pressured the United States for a repatriation agreement.

The detainee plea-bargained a deal, has been sent home to serve a short sentence and should be free by the end of the year.
 
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I'm disappointed no effort has been made by our government to do more in this case.

After listening to the "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about" argument to support the erosion of rights in the U.S., why doesn't this apply to the U.S. government as well?

Instead of leaving us to speculate, let's hear the case against Khadr. If he's found guilty, throw his ass in prison for life.

I'm sorry to say, the premise that the U.S. is the beacon for liberty has become a fallacy. Another reason why the Bush brand of justice is a tough sell everywhere else in the world.
 

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The few incompetent actions of a few in a time were a lot of new legal ground had to be defined, doesn't mean that the freedom in the USA is a fallacy.

I think this is just plain incompetence by a few goverment employees...surprised?..I am not

My hope is that the person in question is innocent, becuase if he isn't and he is being released on a technicality we are all in trouble.
 
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frasier said:
The few incompetent actions of a few in a time were a lot of new legal ground had to be defined, doesn't mean that the freedom in the USA is a fallacy.

I think this is just plain incompetence by a few goverment employees...surprised?..I am not

My hope is that the person in question is innocent, becuase if he isn't and he is being released on a technicality we are all in trouble.
I don't want to see anyone get off on a technicality either. I want to see a trial and hear the case against Kadhr.

If having the right to a fair trial is the cornerstone of a free society, this shouldn't be too much to ask for.
 

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they already imprisoned him for five years. it doesn't look like he will get a trial anytime soon.
 

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I don't want to see anyone get off on a technicality either. I want to see a trial and hear the case against Kadhr.

If having the right to a fair trial is the cornerstone of a free society, this shouldn't be too much to ask for.

He throw a grenade at a soldier who would of thrown a grenade at him. Sounds like war.
 
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they already imprisoned him for five years. it doesn't look like he will get a trial anytime soon.
Which begs the question, is the suspension of habeas corpus the mark of a free society?
 

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lookingforitallthetime said:
Which begs the question, is the suspension of habeas corpus the mark of a free society?
I have alot of problems with this.



Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
 

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He throw a grenade at a soldier who would of thrown a grenade at him. Sounds like war.
The point of course being if under the rules of war I have a right to do so, otherwise I'm an unlawful combatant.
 

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"Charges are dismissed without prejudice,'' Colonel Peter Brownback said. Congress created the military tribunals to try only so-called "unlawful'' enemy combatants. The military panel that ruled on Mr. Khadr's status designated him only as an "enemy combatant'' in 2004.
The Globe and Mail is making more out of this than at least I feel there is. There was a defect with the charging documents, the Judge dismissed the case without prejudice. You clean the egg off your face, refile the charges properly and proceed.
 

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The tragedy of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib is that the rule of
law we've established over 2 centuries has not been
applied to those prisons. More discrediting are the
reports of extreme rendition.

How long can a civil society exist when its legal
posturing overseas is in direct conflict with our
legal system at home.

Is it possible we can sustain two different legal
standards and still remain a civil society governed
by the rule of law. I say no.

The legal contradictions will create a moral dilemna.
You mean like in WWII?

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lookingforitallthetime said:
I'm disappointed no effort has been made by our government to do more in this case.

After listening to the "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about" argument to support the erosion of rights in the U.S., why doesn't this apply to the U.S. government as well?

Instead of leaving us to speculate, let's hear the case against Khadr. If he's found guilty, throw his ass in prison for life.

I'm sorry to say, the premise that the U.S. is the beacon for liberty has become a fallacy. Another reason why the Bush brand of justice is a tough sell everywhere else in the world.
I agree. Considering that Khadr was only 15 when he was captured, it seems like the least Harper could do would be to try and get him released back to Canada the way the Australians did with their combatant. If the US has strong evidence let's hear it. But they've got to show that Khadr was somehow "illegal" instead of just being an enemy. Otherwise Khadr is just an underaged soldier who was taken prisoner fighting for his (misguided) cause.

I'm finding it hard to believe that the US couldn't have predicted that this would happen. A military panel classified Khadr (and probably all the other 380 prisoners) as "enemy combatants". Maybe that was as far as the original panel was willing to go. There was likely a legal reason why they never said anything about "alien" or "unlawful" so I'm wondering if Bushco will ever be able to assemble a similar panel who will go that extra step and reclassify all these prisoners as illegal or alien enemy combatants. Because if there is nothing illegal about their status, the US had no excuse to cart them all off to Cuba.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe.../khadr_hearing_070604/20070604?hub=TopStories

Khadr, now 20, had been classified as an "enemy combatant" by a military panel years earlier at Guantanamo Bay.

But because he was not classified as an "alien unlawful enemy combatant," Army Col. Peter Brownback said he had no choice but to throw the case out.

"The charges are dismissed without prejudice," Brownback said as he adjourned the proceeding.

Under the Military Commissions Act, which U.S. President George Bush signed last year after the Supreme Court threw out the previous war-crimes trial system, only those classified as "unlawful" enemy combatants can face war trials there.

"Obviously there are illegal enemy combatants and then there are legal enemy combatants," Clark said.

"In other words if you're wearing the uniform of another country, just because you fired a shot in anger at an American soldier doesn't mean that it is illegal," Clark said.

The ramifications of the ruling are an "unbelievable defeat for the Bush administration and the previous Congress that enacted this. It is enormous," Clark said.....
 

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You mean like in WWII?

OTB
This is NOT WWII ....... not even close......:rolleyes:
 

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Aardvark154 said:
The Globe and Mail is making more out of this than at least I feel there is. There was a defect with the charging documents, the Judge dismissed the case without prejudice. You clean the egg off your face, refile the charges properly and proceed.
As this legal definition says. Of course after holding this juvenile for five years and at last, at the first moment of the first day of the long-awaited kangaroo court proceedings, failing to bring a proper charge pretty much demonstrates the Gitmo Follies are the travesty the world's been saying they are for years.

Now, does the US have the gall to put the kid thru it again? And how will they make him out to be an 'unlawful' enemy combatant?
 
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Aardvark154 said:
The Globe and Mail is making more out of this than at least I feel there is. There was a defect with the charging documents, the Judge dismissed the case without prejudice. You clean the egg off your face, refile the charges properly and proceed.
I trust the refile will be as hasty as the rest of the process has been.
 
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slowpoke said:
Considering that Khadr was only 15 when he was captured, it seems like the least Harper could do would be to try and get him released back to Canada the way the Australians did with their combatant.
Don't forget, there have been 3 governments in Canada over the past 5 years.

All 3 are equally guilty of inaction.
 

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Now, does the US have the gall to put the kid thru it again? And how will they make him out to be an 'unlawful' enemy combatant?
Was he in uniform or wearing a particular and distinctive pattern of clothing which would identify him as a combatant? If not by definition he was an unlawful combatant. Quoting the International Committee of the Red Cross' Commentary on the Fourth Geneva Convention: "If civilians directly engage in hostilities, they are considered 'unlawful' or 'unprivileged' combatants or belligerents. They may be prosecuted under the domestic law of the detaining state for such action."
 

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I think we should be nice and just let him go, the poor guy has suffered enough. He has learned his lesson and will never do harm again..why can't we just all get along?
 
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