TTC Constables

[good to go]

Due to the problems with gangs and safety on the ttc the union is asking for real police instead of ttc cops.The ttc cops make more than a police officer but have no guns or tasers nor have any real presence in the system other than to look like a rent-a-cop.It would be cheaper to hire real police and have real protection for the workers and the public instead of the ttc cops that are there now.
The ttc does not want police in the system because it would appear that the ttc is not a safe place to be. Due to the problems with all the assaults and such on the ttc at large it would be deemed a better way to go.

 

[Dark Chimera]

Due to the problems with gangs and safety on the ttc the union is asking for real police instead of ttc cops.The ttc cops make more than a police officer but have no guns or tasers nor have any real presence in the system other than to look like a rent-a-cop.It would be cheaper to hire real police and have real protection for the workers and the public instead of the ttc cops that are there now.
The ttc does not want police in the system because it would appear that the ttc is not a safe place to be. Due to the problems with all the assaults and such on the ttc at large it would be deemed a better way to go.

i work for the ttc

ttc cops do not make more than the police

where does your info come from?

they can arrest and want permission to arm and carry tasers but have been denied

ttc has cameras in buses and all over

these videos can only be viewed by police with permission of ttc and union if they want to investigate a crime such as assault

ttc is extremely safe i feel

try riding the NYC

as gangs expand of course their violence will expand into any public areana

all ttc personel have instant access to police

we work very close to police in that regard

the relationshipm between any ttc personel and the police is one of mutual respect and brotherhhood

we report all types of crimes as we are the eyes and ears for protection of the public

 

[Mr. Lucky]

Dark Chimera have you ever heard the story of Jasen Drnasin?


He died in 2006 TTC constables used pepper foam. The police were called to the
Eglinton Ave W & Royal York road. 3 police officers tracked him down he was beaten bad
and handcuffed he was taken to Humber River Regional Hospital in critical condition.

TTC constables say this was a dispute with Jasen.
But the truth is he was trying to protect a girl on a bus from some
abusive boyfriend which they were arguing on the bus.

He was a Croatian hero to his country and a graduate of West Point in N.Y.
Jasen had an 18 old month daughter. TTC constables do not fall under the SIU's
jurisdiction, and it had not been confirmed weather the TTC will launch an investigation.

This happened about November 2006.
Mr Drnasin was only 32 years old

 

[Dark Chimera]

Dark Chimera have you ever heard the story of Jasen Drnasin?


He died in 2006 TTC constables used pepper foam. The police were called to the
Eglinton Ave W & Royal York road. 3' officers tracked him down he was beaten bad
and handcuffed he was taken to Humber River Regional Hospital in critical condition.

TTC constables say this was a dispute with Jasen.
But the truth is he was trying to protect a girl on a bus from some
abusive boyfriend which they were arguing on the bus.

He was a Croatian hero to his country and a graduate of West Point in N.Y.
Jasen had an 18 old month daughter. TTC constables do not fall under the SIU's
jurisdiction, and it had not been confirmed weather the TTC will launch an investigation.

This happened about November 2006.
Mr Drnasin was only 32 years old

Cant say I ever heARD OF IT NOR hAS IT BEEN AN ISSUE amongst drivers or the newsletter we get in the mail.

So I do not know the truth which is out there as they say on X-Files

DO not get involved. We are trained to stay out of conflicts and wait for the cops which we have a hot line to.

Suggest you do the same

 

[fuji]

You are trained not to get involved, but every time any one of you gets involved (and it works out positively) your union plasters ads everywhere about it.

 

[Dark Chimera]

You are trained not to get involved, but every time any one of you gets involved (and it works out positively) your union plasters ads everywhere about it.

point made but...

Look, in the novel "Logans Run" the runners asked the robot whose job it was to turn everyone to ice who tried to escape the underground why he did it he responded "That is my job"

with any union defending their employees' is "their job"

It is the way of the world

sad but true

Ask yourself what is "your job"

 

[masterchief]

ttc is extremely safe i feel

try riding the NYC

I have, and to be honest I felt safer there than I did on the TTC. First off thier system is more efficent and a hell of a lot cleaner than the TTC.

There are over 4000 NYPD Transit Cops , most of them riding on the transit lines as opposed to what 118 TTC Special Constables..many of which are driving around the city in cars.

Don't even try to compare the TTC to the NYC Transit system.

 

[Rockslinger]

I too have been on the NYC subways but all during daylight hours and midtown Manhattan. Never had the guts or a reason to go into the Bronx or the badlands of Brooklyn.

 

[oldjones]

Dark Chimera have you ever heard the story of Jasen Drnasin?


He died in 2006 TTC constables used pepper foam. The police were called to the
Eglinton Ave W & Royal York road. 3 police officers tracked him down he was beaten bad
and handcuffed he was taken to Humber River Regional Hospital in critical condition.

TTC constables say this was a dispute with Jasen.
But the truth is he was trying to protect a girl on a bus from some
abusive boyfriend which they were arguing on the bus.

He was a Croatian hero to his country and a graduate of West Point in N.Y.
Jasen had an 18 old month daughter. TTC constables do not fall under the SIU's
jurisdiction, and it had not been confirmed weather the TTC will launch an investigation.

This happened about November 2006.
Mr Drnasin was only 32 years old

The SIU did investigate, and their version disagrees with yours quite a bit. He broke a driver's arm, never mind resisting arrest by the TTC Constables, or the unprovoked assault on the passenger which caused the incident.

What all this sad story might have to do with the question of regular cops vs. special constables on the TTC I do not know. What I do know is that fighting with cops of any description is pretty much the height of anti-social stupidity. They outnumber you, they have clubs, chemicals and guns, and until you finally get to court, the law is on their side.

 

[PeterBoms]

croation hero????

 

[Manji]

Dark Chimera have you ever heard the story of Jasen Drnasin?


He died in 2006 TTC constables used pepper foam. The police were called to the
Eglinton Ave W & Royal York road. 3 police officers tracked him down he was beaten bad
and handcuffed he was taken to Humber River Regional Hospital in critical condition.

TTC constables say this was a dispute with Jasen.
But the truth is he was trying to protect a girl on a bus from some
abusive boyfriend which they were arguing on the bus.

He was a Croatian hero to his country and a graduate of West Point in N.Y.
Jasen had an 18 old month daughter. TTC constables do not fall under the SIU's
jurisdiction, and it had not been confirmed weather the TTC will launch an investigation.

This happened about November 2006.
Mr Drnasin was only 32 years old

From what I remember....

The guy went to the former Yugoslavia to fight for the Croatian side in the civil war.....
When he got back he wasn't all there mentally and had a history of violence....

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20061114/pepper_spray_061115?hub=CalgaryWeather

Oldjones pretty much covered the actual incident...

 

[Dark Chimera]

I have, and to be honest I felt safer there than I did on the TTC. First off thier system is more efficent and a hell of a lot cleaner than the TTC.

There are over 4000 NYPD Transit Cops , most of them riding on the transit lines as opposed to what 118 TTC Special Constables..many of which are driving around the city in cars.

Don't even try to compare the TTC to the NYC Transit system.

Nothing you can say effects my feelings as I do not run the TTC however...

While I only saw a part of the NYC transit for a couple of days what you say goes against what I saw

Subways smell of urine and saw a prostitute give a blow job to a client on the train

Drivers do not like giving directions, sometimes refuse as they do not have to.
Neither do the TTC drivers, they could always claim it distracts them from safe driving end of story, but they do out of courtesy.

Saw three card monty players - they ask you to pick a card then move them around then ask you to pick out the same one after they palmed it-beat up a sucker who wanted his money back and drug dealers although they were technically just off the property , they would not disappear when the cops came they would just stop what they were doing until the cops, completely aware of what they were up to, walked on by

Saw the NYC cops drive by a knife fight as well

I will say one thing for the NYC transit they make sure everyone pays full amount .Instead of the user friendly openess of the TTC the NYC feels like a prison with their high fences

The TTC has just added buses and extended the hours of their routes . Goal is to wait no longer than 2o minutes, most routes shorter time, except night buses which is a 30 minute wait.

TTC does not need 4000 cops

Why do you feel the TTC is dirty and inefficient. The one thing that stands out to me is the effort they put in to assure all buses are running on time although there is a shortage of buses that sometimes shows up during rush hour when a bus goes down. Bus shortage is not the TTC fault.

 

[Rockslinger]

and saw a prostitute give a blow job to a client on the train.

OMG Amber Jade did that on the NYC subway as well?

 

[yeet]

There are over 4000 NYPD Transit Cops , most of them riding on the transit lines as opposed to what 118 TTC Special Constables..many of which are driving around the city in cars.

Don't even try to compare the TTC to the NYC Transit system.

I agree. I worked with the TTC Special Constables for a short while. Just kind of a student tag-along thing for a few weeks.

They are mostly in their cars, or at their office at the Yonge and Bloor station (behind an unmarked door). They cannot actually respond to anyone in need in time.

TTC Special Constables are actually a bunch of thugs. They 'rough up' the homeless daily. The real reason for their presence is to keep homeless people out of the subway stations, so the TTC can attract/keep its riders. The Special Constables could care less about anyone's safety.

 

[elmo]

DO not get involved. We are trained to stay out of conflicts and wait for the cops which we have a hot line to.

Suggest you do the same

I don't understand this...how much training do you need to not get involved? Seems like another fine example of our tax dollars hard at work.

I have no such training and as such most likely wouldn't get involved but i would call 911...so why do we need TTC cops?

 

[masterchief]

Nothing you can say effects my feelings as I do not run the TTC however...

While I only saw a part of the NYC transit for a couple of days what you say goes against what I saw

Subways smell of urine and saw a prostitute give a blow job to a client on the train

Because I’ve never seen a homeless person taking a leak at any downtown TTC station, or stairwell. Maybe if there were actually bathroom in the stations as opposed to the end of the lines…but that’s another point entirely.

Saw the NYC cops drive by a knife fight as well

Pardon my ignorance , but if there was a knife fight on the transit system, how did the cops drive by? Were they driving the train or the bus?

The TTC has just added buses and extended the hours of their routes . Goal is to wait no longer than 2o minutes, most routes shorter time, except night buses which is a 30 minute wait.

TTC does not need 4000 cops

Why do you feel the TTC is dirty and inefficient. The one thing that stands out to me is the effort they put in to assure all buses are running on time although there is a shortage of buses that sometimes shows up during rush hour when a bus goes down. Bus shortage is not the TTC fault.

Well the TTC shouldn’t be in the policing business, since based on the amount of times in the last 3 weeks the subway lines have been shut down for technical issues they shouldn’t be in the mass transit business either.

Yes, yes…lots of new buses, well what about the fact that the trains are crowded. Try getting a seat anytime during the rush hour times. It’s pretty sad.

 

[Rockslinger]

I don't understand this...how much training do you need to not get involved?

They do get involved sometimes. They ride subway cars undercover. I heard that one time they told a female passenger that she was sexually assaulted. She insisted that she was not sexually assaulted. The TTC cops kept insisting that she was sexually assaulted according to their definition. If it weren't for the TTC cops that lady would never have known that she was sexually assaulted.

 

[Dark Chimera]

I don't understand this...how much training do you need to not get involved? Seems like another fine example of our tax dollars hard at work.

I have no such training and as such most likely wouldn't get involved but i would call 911...so why do we need TTC cops?

Oh shit should not have started this.

As well as drive buses streetcars etc we are trained to watch for any criminal activity whether or not on TTC property.

We also stop to assess any accident to see if anyone needs medical help

After assessing a situation we have a direct line to police which is quicker than 911
Not everyone carries a cell phone anyways

We are instructed to stay out of all situations as this could lead to civil or criminal charges against us
Does this take a lot of training ? no. but it is what we do

Are overpaid and underworked?

I thought so as I do not find the job stressful ( although some do) however....

an professional job assessment was done by an organization chosen by the city to assess our job and found we were underpaid so WTF do I know

 

[Never Compromised]

Because I’ve never seen a homeless person taking a leak at any downtown TTC station, or stairwell. Maybe if there were actually bathroom in the stations as opposed to the end of the lines…but that’s another point entirely.

I saw a homeless person come into the tube one winter, enter the car, and piss on the seat. The stench was horrible. I moved, but should have left the car and waited for the next train.

Three or four stops later, the TTC arrived to drag the person away. Too bad no one thought to clean the wet piss off the seat.

 

[pencilneckgeek2]

The real Emergency Number ?

After assessing a situation we have a direct line to police which is quicker than 911

912 ?