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Ironhead

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TSN and the Globe will be asking the question "Why not Canada ?" Why not put more teams in Canada.

About Fuckin' time the media actually took a stand on this !




Below is part of the story on TSN.ca.


TSN, GLOBE TO ADDRESS ISSUES OF ADDING CANADIAN NHL TEAMS

It is the topic of some of the most heated debates in Canadian sport: Why shouldn't there be another NHL franchise in Canada? In a joint venture between TSN and The Globe and Mail, the investigative series Why Not Canada? makes definite conclusions regarding the possibility of the addition of an NHL franchise in a Canadian market.

Led by veteran journalist Dave Naylor, the Why Not Canada? series analyzes new wide-ranging and in-depth socio-economic data that clearly illustrates the viability of an NHL franchise expanding or relocating in the Winnipeg, Hamilton, the Greater Toronto Area and Quebec City markets.

.... (more of the article on TSN.ca, see link below)


The broadcast schedule for Why Not Canada? on SportsCentre and TSN.ca:

- Monday, July 5 – Part 1: Introduction to Why Not Canada?
- Tuesday, July 6 – Part 2: Winnipeg
- Wednesday, July 7 – Part 3: Hamilton
- Thursday, July 8 – Part 4: Greater Toronto Area
- Friday, July 9 – Part 5: Quebec City
- Saturday, July 10 – Part 6: Conclusions


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The link to TSN if you want to read the entire article.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=326388#YourCallTop
 

Rockslinger

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As long as Gary "Napoleon" Bettman is commissioner, there will be no new Canadian team and no Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup on his watch. Plus, the Leafs will never allow another team in Southern Ontario.
 

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Frankly, the Leafs can go fuck themselves. Just put the team in K-W. It's outside the Leafs' territorial rights area, so there would be nothing the Laffs could do about it. But that won't happen, because the US networks won't be interested in showing a game between, e.g. Los Angeles and Kitchener.

But seriously, fuck the Laffs. And Bettman should be shot.

Plus, the Leafs will never allow another team in Southern Ontario.
 

Ironhead

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Six-Part Series: Why not Canada?

From the Globe and Mail

Why not Winnipeg?


A joint Globe and Mail/TSN project studied four Canadian markets with the goal of determining which would be most realistic for an NHL franchise




When the Winnipeg Jets packed up and moved to Phoenix at the end of the 1996 NHL season, it felt like goodbye forever.

The cost of doing business in the NHL was skyrocketing and poor little Winnipeg simply couldn’t keep up.

“At that time [the NHL] didn’t fit Winnipeg,” said Mark Chipman, chairman of True North Sports and Entertainment which owns the six-year-old MTS Centre and the AHL’s Manitoba Moose in the city. “It was a remarkable effort and I don’t think it was anybody’s fault, it just wasn’t enough at the time.”

Back then Chipman was one of those local businessmen trying to find a way to save the Jets. When the effort failed, he brought an AHL franchise to Winnipeg. And several years later, he began the process of building a new downtown home for the Moose.

Toronto-based billionaire David Thomson, chairman of Thomson Reuters, became an equity partner in True North through his real estate company, Osmington, Inc. (The Thomson family holding company, Woodbridge, has a 40-per-cent interest in CTVglobemedia, whose properties include The Globe and Mail.)

Today the MTS Centre sits downtown at the corner of Portage Avenue and Donald Street, a shining success both as a hockey and entertainment facility. It books the third-highest number of shows in Canada, behind only the Air Canada Centre in Toronto and the Bell Centre in Montreal.

Winnipeggers have proved a willingness to pay top dollar for entertainment. And market research commissioned by True North indicates they would do the same for NHL hockey, giving the company the confidence to try repatriating the Coyotes recently, and to continue pursuing a franchise.

“We’ve tested it by using a price that has existed in relative Canadian markets,” said Chipman, speaking publicly about the research for the first time. “When we test those average ticket prices, and the suite prices, and the … corporate sponsorship that you need to sell, it hasn’t caused any concern or alarm with any or our existing sponsors and prospective ones.”

Last May, Winnipeg hockey fans almost had their dream come true before the NHL arranged a last-minute deal with Glendale, Ariz., to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix at least one more season. But the NHL was prepared to direct the team to Winnipeg, sources say, had Glendale not agreed to pick up as much as $25-million (U.S.) in losses next season.

“There’s never been any doubt about the passion of fans, people in Winnipeg,” NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said. “So it’s always been a good hockey market. Finally they have an arena that is up to NHL standards.”

The MTS Centre, with 15,015 seats and just 50 luxury boxes, would be the smallest building in the NHL. But Chipman believes it is ideal for Winnipeg, even though it won’t be able to match the revenue generation of the league’s other buildings. He subscribes to the theory that it is better to have too few seats than too many.

“It’s suitable for our market,” Chipman said. “I think your building has to fit your market. We’ve had this discussion with the league. They are very familiar with the size of the facility and have not expressed any concerns about the size. And I think if I have learned one thing in this business over the past 15 years it’s that if your supply outstrips your demand, it’s a slippery slope. It’s a very difficult business to be in.”

The bigger question in Winnipeg is whether there is sufficient corporate muscle – and will – to buy the high-end tickets and luxury suites.

According to Statistics Canada, 128 companies have head offices in Winnipeg, slightly less than half Calgary’s total. Research firm Environics Analytics reports there are 272 businesses generating more than $20-million in revenue and with more than 100 employees, slightly more than half of Edmonton’s total.

“The size of the community is such that you can get a real good sense of what the corporate community’s desire and appetite is for a team,” Chipman said. “It’s not something we have to guess at. I’m confident it’s there.”

With a smallish building and population of just 741,000, a Winnipeg franchise would likely have to compete at the mid-range of the NHL’s player pay scale (about $50-million U.S.). In contrast, the existing six Canadian franchises in Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver all spend close to the maximum, or slightly less than $60-million (U.S.) this coming season.

Further, there would be the inevitable difficulty of attracting players to Winnipeg, a problem that dogged the Jets in the 1990s and plagues Edmonton today.

All of which raises the question of whether the enthusiasm for a team would wane if the team is unable to win consistently, or even sporadically. When the Jets struggled and often missed the playoffs, attendance averaged less than 14,000 a game.

“I think the biggest problem you’ve got here in Winnipeg is that if you start to put out a product that is not performing to expectations, [fans] start to stay away,” said Rob Warren, director of the Stu Clark Centre for Entrepreneurship at the University of Manitoba. “I don’t think Winnipeggers are that die-hard.”

One thing that has changed since early 1990s is the local economy. Winnipeg’s population is growing at roughly three times the rate it was in 1996, and its unemployment rate is down by more than 30 per cent.

“If there is an economy that managed to escape the latest recession, it’s the Winnipeg economy,” said Mario Lefebvre, director of the Centre for Municipal Studies at the Conference Board of Canada. “It has diversified nicely over the years. So I think we have a solid foundation of a whole sort of industries, including manufacturing. It’s not a bad story.”
 

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From the Globe and Mail site.


Why not Canada?


A decade ago, with the loonie tanking and the NHL expanding to non-traditional hockey markets, Canadian fans fretted about the possible extinction of all the country’s NHL franchises, save for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

The Winnipeg Jets and Quebec Nordiques had already moved to become the Phoenix Coyotes and Colorado Avalanche, respectively, when American George Gillett Jr. was introduced as the Montreal Canadiens’ new owner in January of 2001. He felt compelled to ease the tension by saying: “These are the Montreal Canadiens, not the Oklahoma City Canadiens.”

Fast-forward nine years. Today, fans are talking about the possibility of a seventh franchise in Canada to go with the thriving six, whether by expansion or relocation. The assumption – it’s not if, but when.

“Hockey [in Canada] is at its mecca now,” says Professor Norm O’Reilly, an expert in sponsorship and franchise business models at the University of Ottawa. “The Canadian economy is probably at its best position versus the U.S. than it’s been in a long time. So right now is a great time.”

A joint Globe and Mail/TSN project studied four Canadian markets – Winnipeg, Hamilton, Quebec City and the Greater Toronto Area – with the goal of determining which would be most realistic for an NHL franchise. Each market will be reported separately in the next four instalments of a six-part series, both with a story in The Globe and a segment on TSN’s SportsCentre.

We relied upon economic data from Statistics Canada and the Conference Board of Canada, and an assessment of the four markets by Environics Analytics. IMI International further studied the impact of a second franchise in the GTA. We talked to economists, fans, potential owners, competition lawyers and market research specialists, and considered arenas, corporate presence, regional interest in hockey and demographics. O’Reilly studied the data and interview transcripts, and assigned a letter grade to each of the cities to assess franchise viability. He looked first at the market itself, then considered critical circumstantial factors.

Five years after the lockout that wiped out the 2004-05 season, the NHL has regained stability in the United States. And yet, the Coyotes’ financial saga indicates problems with isolated U.S. markets. In Phoenix, Nashville, Atlanta, Florida and Tampa Bay, teams play in far-from-filled arenas despite generally inferior ticket prices compared to those in Canada.

That spells potential trouble in a gate-driven league and leads to speculation about franchise relocation to Canada. Jim Balsillie’s attempt to bring the Coyotes to Hamilton last year, followed by the Coyotes nearly relocating to Winnipeg more recently, served only to stoke the fever.

“The future of the league is to go back to where there is a big fan base,” says Marcel Aubut, former president of the Nordiques and an adviser to the city in its attempt to land a franchise. “And where is that? It’s right in Canada. There are many elements now playing to allow the population to dream again.”

Among those elements are the league’s salary cap and revenue generation. An inability to handle rising player salaries factored heavily into the loss of the Quebec and Winnipeg franchises.

Canadian hockey fans routinely see NHL commissioner Gary Bettman as the villain in this story, the primary roadblock to northward migration. In an interview, he insisted the NHL is not expanding and remains committed to existing markets. Yet, he also acknowledged that ripe conditions exist in specific Canadian cities.

“I’d like fans to know that we are very focused on the issue and we have been,” Bettman says. “But I’d also like people to know that it’s not going to happen overnight, like throwing a light switch, and people need to be patient.”

Hamilton and Toronto have the requisite economic prowess to support a professional sports franchise. An NHL team in Quebec City would have the professional sports market to itself, while in Winnipeg a franchise would face competition only from the opposite-season CFL.

Here’s snapshot of the four markets:

Winnipeg: The city’s economy showed resiliency during the recession and the population is growing at roughly three times the rate as when the Jets left for Phoenix in 1996. Local businessman Mark Chipman and his Toronto-based partner David Thomson aim to bring a team into the downtown MTS Centre, which would be the NHL’s smallest building with 15,015 seats and 50 luxury boxes. Given that revenue generated by the building wouldn’t match that of the top buildings in the league, there’s limited upside and the franchise could conceivably have trouble attracting free agents. Is the league really interested in returning to the ’Peg? Bettman has recently indicated that the priority of the league may be to take care of markets where teams existed previously. “The market size to me hasn’t been a concern,” Bettman says. “I know there are plenty of hockey fans there.”

Quebec City: In 1995, Aubut sold the Nordiques to Denver investors after the Quebec government refused to authorize a bailout. The economy has diversified over the past 15 years and Quebec’s unemployment rate ranks among the lowest in North America. The NHL’s decision to return would hinge on the success of a campaign for a new publicly funded $400-million arena, championed by the mayor. How passionate is the business community? Suites for the nonexistent building have already sold out. Media giant Quebecor, led by CEO Pierre Karl Péladeau, wants to own the franchise.

Hamilton: The market is far bigger than the city itself; more than three million people live within an 80-kilometre drive of Copps Coliseum. But the arena needs major upgrades, and various estimates of costs range between $50-million and $200-million. Despite acknowledging in federal court in Phoenix that revenues generated by a Hamilton franchise would be among the league’s highest, the NHL claims not to have studied the feasibility of putting a franchise in the city. Says Bettman: “If you were to have a second team in Southern Ontario … maybe it belongs in London, maybe it belongs in Waterloo. Who knows? The notion that ‘well, there’s an old building that happens to be there [so] let’s go,’ I don’t think that’s the way you put your franchises on the ground.”

Toronto: Research demonstrates a massive appetite among sports fans for a second NHL team in Toronto, roughly double the interest in attracting an NFL team. The corporate support would be all but guaranteed, as Toronto is the location of more than 900 head offices. There is land available for a new arena at the Woodbine racetrack and the former Downsview Airport. But a second team would have an impact on the overall entertainment industry, in which Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment is heavily engaged. Do the Leafs have a veto? MLSE disagrees with the NHL about its right of territorial control over a market of more than five million people. But even if a deal could be made to compensate MLSE, the cost of an expansion or relocation fee, plus a new arena, could be prohibitive. Meantime, in spite of many rumours, no company or individual has stepped forward to begin the process of establishing a franchise.
 

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Winnipeg Grade — Globe and Mail Update



Market Attractiveness

Economy: B-

Demographics: C

Market Size: C

Corporate presence: C+

Its economy weathered the recent recession as well as any in Canada. Characterized by slow and steady growth over the past 15 years. Winnipeg’s population of about 750,000 is growing at about three times the rate it was when the Jets left town in 1996 and its unemployment rate is well below the Canadian average. Its median household income is in line with the Canadian average, while the corporate presence is small but boasts more head offices than Ottawa. It citizens have shown the ability to pay for top-flight entertainment, making the MTS Centre the third-busiest building in Canada.

Overall Market Attractiveness Grade: C+

Critical Factors

Potential Ownership: A

Arena and Location: B+

Competition and Barriers to Entry: A

The MTS Centre has a great downtown location, but with just more than 15,000 seats and 50 corporate boxes, it is small by NHL standards. There is competition of a smaller scale in the CFL’s Winnipeg Blue Bombers and independent pro baseball’s Goldeyes. Potential owners Mark Chipman and David Thomson combine a strong local presence with immense wealth.

Final Grade for viability: B

Its smallish population base and corporate presence would make Winnipeg vulnerable to an economic downturn or slump in the Canadian dollar. And unlike the six existing Canadian clubs, it couldn’t spend to the maximum on players. But the commitment of ownership, new building and resilient economy make this a viable option for the NHL.

Winnipeg

NHL history: Winnipeg Jets (1979-96) moved to become the Phoenix Coyotes.

Potential Owners: Mark Chipman, chairman of True North Sports and Entertainment, and partner David Thompson, chairman of Woodbridge Co. Ltd., whose net worth of $19-billion makes him the wealthiest person in Canada.

Demographic snapshot

Metro Population: 741,000

Median Household income: $58,128 (Canadian average $59,090)

Average Household disposable income: $52,000 (Canadian average $56,000)

Average Household net worth: $291,034 (Canadian average $351,282)

Percentage of population aged 25-39: 21 per cent (Canadian average 20 per cent)

Index for watching NHL hockey on television: 104 (Canadian average 100)

Economic snapshot

Number of head offices: 128

Unemployment rate: 5.7 per cent (Canadian average 8.1)

Number of businesses with 100-plus employees: 520

Number of businesses with $20-million-plus in sales: 619

Number of businesses with 100-plus employees and $20-million-plus in sales: 272

Population rate of growth: 1.3 per cent

GDP growth: 2.2 per cent

Retail sales: $9.7-Billion

Sports competition in market: Winnipeg Blue Bombers (CFL), Winnipeg Goldeyes (Northern League Baseball).

Arena

MTS Centre, located in downtown Winnipeg, opened in 2004. Seats 15,015 with 50 luxury suites.

Has Going For It: Slow but steady growth in an increasingly diversified economy. Population growth significantly stronger than when the Jets left 14 years ago. A building deemed suitable by both potential owners and the NHL. Potential ownership group with the wealth to sustain losses in down years.

Has Going Against It: Would be the NHL’s smallest market, making more vulnerable to a downturn in the economy or a dive by the Canadian dollar. Would likely have to compete at the mid-range between NHL’s salary floor and ceiling. Number of large companies roughly half of smallest existing Canadian markets. Market has not historically always supported losing teams.

What they’re saying: “We’ve tested using pricing that has existed in relative Canadian markets … Ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary to a lesser extent. When we test those average ticket prices, and the suite prices, and the pricing of the menu on corporate sponsorship that you need to sell, it hasn’t caused any concern or alarm with any of our existing sponsors or perspective ones.”

Mark Chipman, chairman, True North Sports and Entertainment.

What Gary Bettman says: “There’s never been any doubt about the passion of fans, people in Winnipeg for NHL hockey. … It’s always been a good hockey market. If you talk to the people who are interested in having a franchise in Winnipeg now, they’ll tell you compared to what’s going on in the rest of North America, the economy is pretty strong and they have no doubts with the economic viability.”

Professor Norm O’Reilly’s scorecard

Market Attractiveness

Economy: B-

Demographics: C

Market size: C

Corporate presence: C+

Overall score for market attractiveness: C+

Franchise viability

Arena and location: B+

Competition and barriers to entry: A

Potential owner (Mark Chipman, David Thomson): A

Final grade: B

What Norm O’Reilly says: “With the right owner, and the right management team, and the right overall philosophy, you could make it work. You’d have to accept probably not having a high-paid team on the ice. You’re going to fill 80 to 90 per cent of your building with an average team so your risks are mitigated a bit. With a few factors in play, with the current economic situation, it could work. Long term? That’s a question.”

Note: Norm O’Reilly’s evaluations are based on his own background and knowledge of the subject, transcripts of interviews done by TSN/The Globe and Mail for this series and data collected from various sources, including Statistics Canada, the Conference Board of Canada and Environics.
 

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US fans and viewers aren't interested in much beyond the USA—at least so the conventional wisdom goes—and the struggling franchises there will not be helped by successes north of the 49th. Nor will diluting the talent pool be to anyone's benefit.

Check the viewer numbers after the USA droped out of the World Cup. And that's a sport everyone grows up playing, not just kids in the frozen north.

The NHL is obsessed w/ numbers and ratings, so nothing will change until those change. Unfortunately, like most entertainment execs, they fail to realize that it's excellence in play that makes audiences, not in boardrooms.
 

Ironhead

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Why Not Hamilton ?


One of the most famous goals in hockey history was scored at Copps Coliseum in Hamilton when Wayne Gretzky fed Mario Lemieux for the winner in the third and deciding game of the 1987 Canada Cup against the Soviet Union.

Back then, Hamiltonians could taste the NHL coming to their town and playing games in its then state-of-the-art arena, built to bring the NHL back to Hamilton after an absence of more than 60 years. Almost a quarter century later, Copps Coliseum and Hamilton hockey fans are still waiting, perpetually teased but always denied what they believe is their destiny.

“I think some people would say that the fix is in, that the NHL is not interested in Hamilton,” said Hamilton city councillor Terry Whitehead, who initiated a subcommittee to look at attracting the NHL. “From my perspective, we have the facility, we have the location, we have the market. It would be silly for us to turn our backs at this stage of the game.”

Hamilton may not be turning its back on the NHL but the NHL has shown no interest in delivering the city a franchise, either through expansion – which Hamilton lost out on to Tampa Bay and Ottawa in 1990 – or relocation, as Research In Motion co-chief executive officer Jim Balsillie learned during his experiences trying to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins, Nashville Predators and then the Phoenix Coyotes.

“I think people tend to focus on Hamilton because there is a building there,” NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said. “I’m not sure that’s a building we have any interest in going into because it would need a substantial renovation.”

Whitehead said the arena could be brought to NHL business standards for about $100-million. Balsillie’s plan, which included a new atrium-style lobby, a ticketing area, street-level retail, expanded seating capacity to more than 18,000 and 89 luxury boxes, came in at an estimated cost of $150-million. Bettman believes the requirement would exceed $200-million.

There is little debate that hockey fans would fill the arena, renovated or not.

While Hamilton’s metro population is slightly less than 750,000 this year – smaller than Winnipeg or Quebec City – the actual market grows to about 3.2 million when the municipalities within 80 kilometres of Copps Coliseum are added in.

When Balsillie held his suite-and-ticket drive in 2007, he collected more than 14,000 down payments in less than a week. A significant portion came from addresses scattered throughout Southern Ontario, outside of Hamilton.

“The cities around Hamilton would jump onto the same bandwagon,” said Mario Lefebvre, director of the Centre for Municipal Studies at the Conference Board of Canada. “It’s a very decent market for the NHL.”

In U.S. federal bankruptcy court in Phoenix, the NHL declared that a Hamilton franchise would generate the league’s fifth highest revenue. The claim was made to protect the league’s right to a huge relocation fee, in the event Balsillie had been allowed by the court to relocate the Coyotes last year.

There are NHL governors who have told The Globe and Mail privately that the NHL should be investigating the opportunity in Hamilton. But Bettman couldn’t be less interested. He said the league’s priorities are to keep teams in their present locations, with relocation to former NHL cities as the fallback. In other words, he would favour Winnipeg or Quebec City over Hamilton for expansion or relocation.

“Despite the way it’s sometimes portrayed, we’re not sitting there sharpening our pencils and running the numbers,” Bettman said. “This is sport. This is a business that depends on an emotional connection to our teams, to our players, to our game. Is that the right place if you were to have a second team in Southern Ontario? Maybe it belongs in London, maybe it belongs in Waterloo. Who knows? That’s not anything anyone has studied. The notion that well, ‘There’s an old building there that happens to be there, let’s go,’ I don’t think that’s the way you put your franchises on the ground.”

Perhaps Bettman and the NHL really aren’t convinced Copps Coliseum could be made suitable. And perhaps, despite vouching for the market in court, they don’t see what others say is obvious about the potential of the market around Hamilton to support NHL hockey.

Or perhaps the NHL simply doesn’t want to cross swords with the Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres. The NHL defines territorial rights as extending 80 kilometres in all directions, meaning Hamilton sits within the defined territory of both franchises.

Another tease surfaced last week, when it was revealed that Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz is negotiating for the Copps Coliseum lease. But the city’s spurned fans believe the failure to land a team has everything to do with what lies down the Queen Elizabeth Way, in opposite directions.

“The market is very strong, extremely supportive of hockey, no doubting it at all,” University of Ottawa sports business professor Norm O’Reilly said. “The challenge becomes, you have two other franchises in that market. So it becomes a political thing.”

Russ Boychuk knows the power of the Leafs firsthand. Back in the 1980s, to stage an NHL exhibition games at Copps, the Hamilton investment manager had to pay then-Leafs owner Harold Ballard between $75,000 and $100,000.

“We’ll have to walk down the aisle with Buffalo on one hand and Toronto on the other hand,” Boychuk said. “That’s the major hurdle. Until we address that, the NHL won’t get a team. As soon as Toronto says, `We want a team in Hamilton,’ all 30 members of the board will say, ‘Yeah, it’s there.’”

Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, owner of the Maple Leafs, declined a request to be interviewed for this series of articles.
 

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Hamilton's Grade - Globe and Mail Update


PROFESSOR O'REILLY'S SCORECARD for HAMILTON

Market Attractiveness

Economy: B

Demographics: B

Market Size: A+

Corporate Presence: B+

Overall Score for Market Attractiveness: A-

Franchise Viability

Arena and Location: C

Competition and Barriers to Entry: D-

Potential Owner (Jim Balsillie): A

Final Grade: D+

What Norm O'Reilly says: "If you look at the market, it's very strong, extremely supportive of hockey, no doubting it at all. There's a facility there that we know needs some renovations. The challenge becomes that you have two other franchises in the market. You have Buffalo and the Leafs. So it becomes a political thing."
 

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HALIFAX would could be considered.It could draw from basicly the East Coast they have an arena The Metro Center which could be expanded.They would be a graet rival for say Boston NYI
because of the location.Too bad Hartford still isnt around.
 

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HALIFAX would could be considered.It could draw from basicly the East Coast they have an arena The Metro Center which could be expanded.They would be a graet rival for say Boston NYI
because of the location.Too bad Hartford still isnt around.
Not a chance. The population of the entire province is ~940,000 .
 

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Why Not Toronto ?


.The Toronto Maple Leafs charge the highest ticket prices in the NHL and generate the league’s greatest revenues. The franchise earned a $79-million (U.S.) profit during the 2008-09 season, according to Forbes magazine’s annual report on NHL finances, and that was without making the playoffs and with a lower Canadian dollar value than during the past season.

All the evidence suggests the Leafs could comfortably co-exist with another NHL franchise in the Greater Toronto Area, arguably without a dent to the bottom line. In April, research by IMI International conducted to gauge interest in a second franchise showed there are roughly 800,000 residents who consider NHL hockey “a passion” but who haven’t been able to attend a live game in at least two years.

“There is massive demand for a second NHL team in Toronto,” said Don Mayo, global managing partner for IMI in Toronto. “If there is more supply, there will [still] definitely be great demand.”

The NHL, however, seems uninterested in tapping that demand. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman categorically denied reports that he has quietly calculated an expansion fee for a Toronto franchise, one that would fetch a whopping price. He claims a second GTA team is not on the NHL’s radar screen.

“I have no idea,” he said, when asked in an interview for the Why Not Canada? series, whether the league has considered viability of a second Toronto team. “It’s not something we’ve looked at.”

The most basic reason for the Leafs success is size of market. Hockey is the most popular professional sport in Toronto, a city that is home to more than 900 corporate head offices, almost double Montreal’s total, more than three times that of Calgary and almost nine times Ottawa’s. According to the research firm Environics Analytics, more than 2,300 businesses in Toronto employ at least 100 people and generate better than $20-million in sales, representing nearly 20 per cent of the national total of companies in that category.

“Without revealing the numbers, I would estimate you’d see the Leafs probably being close to equalling all the teams across the country in total [corporate sponsorship],” said Mark Harrison, president of TrojanOne sports marketing in Toronto. “Cleary they’ve got that opportunity with the corporate head offices here and a perfect venue [the Air Canada Centre, which is connected to Union Station in the downtown core].”

Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment, owner of the Leafs, declined a request to be interviewed for this series. MLSE’s presumed resistance to a second team could be rooted in the potential effect on its other business ventures, rather than hockey.

“The Maple Leafs would be fine,” Mayo said. “The biggest impact would be on other sports teams, such as the [MLSE-owned] Raptors or the Toronto FC, or the Blue Jays [owned by Rogers Communications] because there’s only so much money in a marketplace. It would also impact cultural and other events because people don’t have unlimited funds.”

MLSE, in a strongly worded letter to the NHL dated Nov. 29, 2006, claimed the right to a veto over another team within an 80-kilometre radius of downtown Toronto.

“The Toronto Maple Leafs do not agree that a relocation of another club into their home territory would be subject to a majority vote [of the NHL board of governors],” the letter to Bettman from a Leafs lawyer states. “They continue to believe that a unanimous vote would be required before a team could be relocated into their home territory.”

A unanimous vote would include MLSE’s own vote, and the legality of that position is murky, the outcome of a challenge difficult to predict.

Kevin Wright, specializing in competition and antitrust law at Davis LLP in Vancouver, believes the Canadian Competition Bureau would be “concerned if ... the reason a team wasn’t being relocated to Toronto was not because of legitimate interest by the league [in] promoting another city, but rather because of the interest of one team. That is, a veto being exercised to prevent the move.”

The NHL is on record disputing the Leafs’ view of territorial rights.

“We do not believe they have any rights in that regard,” Bettman said.

The Competition Bureau ruled in 2007 that the NHL’s policies regarding relocation are not anticompetitive but it never acknowledged or addressed the Leafs claim to a veto.

In theory, MLSE could be compensated but an indemnity payment would come with a heavy price tag, often speculated at well over $100-million. Combined with an expansion and relocation fee and the expense of building a new arena, and the cost of putting a second Toronto franchise together begins to look prohibitive.

“You’re talking about a pretty big number, probably pushing to $1-billion,” said University of Ottawa sports business professor Norm O’Reilly, who assigned the viability grades for the Why Not Canada? series. “Knowing the Toronto market and how supportive it is for hockey and how it’s been growing, there’s no question a team could be viable year after year. But could you ever overcome that huge investment required up front?”
 

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Toronto report card


NHL history

Toronto Maple Leafs (1917-present).

Potential owners

None identified.

Demographic snapshot

Metro Population: 5,700,000


Median Household income: $67,948 (Canadian Average $59,090)

Average Household disposable income: $67,221 (Canadian Average $55,541)

Average Household net worth: $531,621 (Canadian Average $351,282)

Percentage of population aged 25-39: 22.8 (Canadian Average 20 per cent)

Index for watching NHL Hockey on Television: 93 (Canadian average 100)


Economic snapshot

Number of Head offices: 919


Unemployment rate: 9.5 per cent (Canadian average 8.1)

Number of businesses with 100+ employees: 3,783

Number of businesses with $20+ million in sales: 4,921

Number of businesses with 100+ employees and $20+ million in sales: 2,322

Population rate of growth: 1.7 per cent

GDP Growth: 3.7 per cent

Retail sales: $60.8 billion

Sports Competition in market: Toronto Raptors (NBA), Toronto Blue Jays (MLB), Toronto FC (MLS), Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL), Toronto Argonauts (CFL)



Arena

None.



Has going for it

The Greater Toronto Area is the biggest, richest hockey market in the world and right now isn’t coming close to being adequately served by one team. No one doubts that on a yearly cash-in, cash-out basis that a second Toronto team could be financially successful.

Has going against it

The Toronto Maple Leafs have served notice they believe they own the right to veto another team entering the GTA. Even if the Leafs were willing to make a deal to allow a second team, the costs of such a venture might be prohibitive. Add up the cost of an expansion or relocation fee, the expense of building a new arena and the fees to indemnify the Leafs and Buffalo Sabres and you’re talking about spending close to $1 billlion dollars before a puck is dropped. As well, the NHL says it has no interest in a second Toronto franchise at this time.


What they’re saying

“There’s massive appetite for a second team in Toronto. There’s about 800,000 people in the GTA right now that have NHL hockey as a passion that haven’t been able to attend a hockey game in the past two years. So if there is more supply, there will definitely be great demand.” – Don Mayo, Global Managing Partner, IMI International.


What Gary Bettman says

“I have no idea. It’s not anything we’ve looked at.”




Professor Norm O’Reilly’s Scorecard
Market Attractiveness
Economy A-
Demographics B+
Market Size A+
Corporate presence A+
Overall Market Attractiveness Grade A+

With a strong economy, monstrous corporate presence and growing population, not even another team in the market can take the shine off of the Greater Toronto Area. The pent-up demand from passionate hockey fans who can’t get to NHL games is immense. Which is why combined with its wealth and size the market is a winner.

Franchise Viability
Potential Ownership ?
Arena and Location F
Competition and Barriers to Entry F
The Toronto Maple Leafs have expressed their right to veto another team in their market. Though the NHL disagrees with that right, it probably doesn’t want to test it. If there was a deal to be made with the Leafs it would be costly. Add that to an expansion or relocation fee, plus building a new arena, and the numbers start to climb towards $1 billion before the puck is dropped.
Final Grade for Viability D-

There’s rich and hungry market for a second NHL team in the GTA. The problem is how a team gets there. Note: Norm O’Reilly’s evaluations are based on his own background and knowledge of the subject, transcripts of interviews done by TSN/Globe and Mail for this series and data collected from various sources including Statistics Canada, the Conference Board of Canada, Environics Analytics, IMI and Harris-Decima.
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts