Torture etc.

[luckyjackson]

You seem incapable of taking a discussion and not making it personal. That's a sign of immaturity.

"Shockingly dumb. distorted brain" Please, grow up. It contributes nothing to the discussion.

I can only presume you are actively attempting to move to those countries which you find so superior to us then? Got your visa to North Korea now, do you?

You make a huge error, common to those wishing to bend facts to suit their own point of view no matter the cost: just because their are exceptions doesn't mean that the general argument isn't completely valid. for instance, the US - OF BLOODY COURSE a huge, powerful country like that is going ot have made mistakes, and done immoral things along the way. So what? that proves nothing other than imperfection. Try to think ON BALANCE. Generally, greater rule of law, respect for individual rights, etc. The very fact that the US has come to its senses on torture shows somethign about the kind of society it is. Who provided the Marshall Plan, for instance? But no, I don't want to go down the same logical road as you, pointing out specific insatnces of do-gooding. in general th eUS is a far far bigger respecter of human rights than those countries I mentioned earlier. Even with the lapses.

Two more points; you tellingly point out how poor those countries are. Hmmm, any possibility that thy are poor BECAUSE of their lack of human rights? Lack of property rights, for instance, will lead to underinvestment, and the subsequent rise of living standards. Maybe, just maybe, the rights come first, the prosperity after?

Secondly, we can argue all day, but a very good impartial indicator of what is truly what is immigration flows. If a place is attracting a lot of immigrants, it is attractive, and if people are leaving, there's something wrong with that place. The only way you can argue with that fact is to say that they are all wrong, that YOU know better, which in itself is a profoundly undemocratic way of thinking.

Nothing personal in my attack. I ridiculed your view, and believe the comment about the brain was fair, after all it generated your previous post.

Try to think ON BALANCE

Ok, If you want to make comparisons of that kind, how far back would you like to go? Would you like to compare the length of America's existence to oh...say Egypt's, or China's and weigh their respective contributions? This is silly. If anyone is avoiding the initial topic, it's you.

The U.S. has not NOT "come to it's senses" on the subject of torture, as I've now pointed out for you more than once. It practices torture, of the worst kind through extraordinary rendition--a policy it still pursues. I suggest that is even worse than committing it first hand, as it is cowardly. Which crime is more morally reprehensible, the brute or the priest who rapes? The way I see it, as someone from who you'd expect better, and i whom trust was placed, the priest is the worse of the two.

The U.S. has proclaimed itself not to be bound by the world court. It has mined countries it's not at war with. It has assassinated democratically elected politicians and replaced them tyrants. It has killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. It has supported, and supports countries that commit the worst kind of atrocities against their own people. I don't point these things out to suggest that the U.S. is morally superior, just that it's silly to try and make that claim for one country over another.

 

[burt-oh-my!]

I dont think it is silly at all to say that a hell of a lot of countries are morally superior to , say, North Korea.

 

[Anynym]

Today, it came to light that one individual was, apparently beaten while in Afghan custody.

The Liberals claim that this confirms Colvin's testimony that every single prisoner taken by Canadian soldiers and handed over to Afghan authorities was tortured.

My question then is this: how many innocent civilians have been tortured by Canadian police, under the definition being used by the Liberals and the media?

 

[Rockslinger]

My question then is this: how many innocent civilians have been tortured by Canadian police, under the definition being used by the Liberals and the media?

Using a taser is torture (causes pain). How many Canadians have been tasered in the past 5 years? Maybe a thousand? How many Canadians have been yelled at by LE in the past 3 years? Yelling at someone is also torture.

Causing people in MP's to be worried about being busted is torture. Imagine lying naked on the table all worried about LE busting down the door to arrest you for engaging in "illegal consensual adult sex".

 

[burt-oh-my!]

Causing people in MP's to be worried about being busted is torture. Imagine lying naked on the table all worried about LE busting down the door to arrest you for engaging in "illegal consensual adult sex".

Too true.

Also being with a SP with bad hygiene is also torture.