Toronto Fire Fighters Paint Dire Picture if Trucks are Removed!

GameBoy27

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There has to be a more efficient way to run Fire and Ambulance services. However anytime the city calls for cutting back, Fire Fighters cry the sky is falling and everyone is going to die if a few jobs are cut.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01/22/we-cant-afford-the-risk-toronto-fire-fighters-paint-dire-picture-if-trucks-are-removed/

The City of Toronto will eliminate four fire trucks and cut 84 firefighters if a budget passed by the city’s executive committee wins approval from city council.

City staff had recommended cutting five trucks and 105 firefighters, but the executive committee on Wednesday voted 7-4 to “add $2-million to maintain an existing truck.”

Mayor Rob Ford voted against saving the fire truck, as did Councillors Frank di Giorgio, Denzil Minnan-Wong and Peter Milczyn.

The recommended budget would leave Toronto with 123 fire trucks in 82 fire stations. It now goes to council for a final decision.

Jim Sales, the fire chief, said the changes will not affect fire response times. He said that in the past year five of the city’s trucks were out of service on any given day, due to firefighters who call in sick.

Before Christmas, firefighters failed to show up for work in droves,” he said. “We had 13 fewer trucks on the road.”

About 50 firefighters with Toronto Professional Fire Fighters’ Association packed a news conference at noon at city hall to call on councillors to save the trucks. Irene Atkinson, a Toronto District School Board Trustee, rescued last March from her High Park home by firefighters, joined them.

“I don’t remember a thing,” she said. “I woke up by my front door. My cat of 16 years was lying next to me, dead.”

“I came to support the firefighters and oppose the reduction to fire services, because firefighters saved my life, and I owe them. This is the least I could do.”

Ed Kennedy, who heads the firefighters’ union, said with a growing population Toronto needs more trucks. And he said Chicago has increased its fire truck fleet even as Toronto cuts back.

But Chief Sales said Chicago has three times as many fire calls as Toronto. Our strict building code and newer infrastructure mean that we require fewer trucks, he added.

“These are tough decisions and I understand citizens’ sensibilities,” Chief Sales said. “It’s pretty hard for me to cry, ‘The sky is falling.’ “

The firefighters’ union Wednesday unveiled newspaper and TV ads to fight the budget cuts. The TV ad begins with a baby crying; a glum-looking firefighter then emerges from smoke holding only a teddy bear.

“With the stakes so high,” a woman’s voice intones, “we can’t afford the risks.”
 

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GameBoy27

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So, okay how many trucks is the right number? How would you improve the service? Some how I doubt you know.
For one, the Fire Chief himself has said eliminating four truck and 84 fire fighters will not effect response times. I know for a fact that many of the calls the Fire Department take the large trucks to are unnecessary. Actual "fire" calls represent only 1% of the total number of calls. The next thing that should be done is merge Fire and EMS to make them more efficient.

This is nothing more than the fire association using scare tactics to protect their jobs.

More on that here.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/toronto-firefighter-union-upset-about-cuts-plans-show-of-strength-at-council-meeting/article7283338/

The union representing Toronto’s firefighters is planning a show of force at next week’s council meeting, calling for 101 of its members to fill the public gallery – the final push in a campaign to save front-line jobs, trucks and a west-end station.

The plan is outlined in an internal memo to all members written Jan. 9 and obtained by The Globe and Mail. It characterizes the presence of 101 firefighters wearing T-shirts with the union’s “Seconds Count Toronto” slogan as a symbolic display that “would create a strong visual message of what is at stake.”

This latest plan is part of an extensive effort by the union to add about $10-million to the department’s 2013 budget. To help with that effort, the union has sent its members to knock on doors of Toronto residents; held a news conference in front of a burnt-out home; placed ads on radio and in community papers; and used lobbyists to help take its message to councillors that public safety is at stake.

Deputy Mayor Doug Holyday sees things differently, noting that the powerful union is often active in election campaigns. He suggested some councillors may be feeling political pressure.

They are our employees. It’s not right that the fire union hires lobbyists to lobby councillors to stop these changes,” he said.

City council will give its final approval next week to the 2013 budget, which calls for the elimination of 101 vacant front-line jobs within the fire department and the closing the station at 426 Runnymede Road. Mayor Rob Ford and his executive this week added $3-million to the department’s budget, but the union was quick to say the increase was not enough.

While the public debate has focused on fire safety, the union’s memo contains a different point. “It’s clear that should these proposals go forward, they will have a significant impact on many of our members, from a change in their work location or an impact to future career opportunities,” it states.

Councillor Mike Del Grande, the city’s budget chair who is urging his fellow councillors to hold the line on spending, says that statement shows the reason for the campaign.

All these labour things, it boils down to money,” he said. “In the body of that statement, it tells you what it is all about.”

Ed Kennedy, president of the Toronto Professional Fire Fighters’ Association, who signed the memo, said the statement is a response to calls from a number of members, concerned that the extra training they have done, at the encouragement of the department, will not be put to use.

Members are asking, he said: “Why have we done all this, taken courses and then they pull the rug out from under us.”

Mr. Kennedy stands by the union’s safety message. He said the budget proposal to take five trucks off the road will affect response times. “Things have gone too far.”

A statement issued by Fire Chief Jim Sales late Friday states that the majority of fatal fires in Toronto in 2011 were the result of no smoke alarms or non-functioning smoke alarms on the premises. The proposal for this year’s budget, the statement said, “would have a minimal impact on current operations.”

Councillor Adam Vaughan, who says he will support a move to give the fire department more funding next week, said he is under no political pressure to do so. “The notion that unions swing elections is overstated,” he said.

Mr. Vaughan said he has had firefighters volunteer on his campaign, but they were there because of personal connections, not the union.

The safety concerns, Mr. Vaughan said, are backed up by the draft underwriters report, discussed at a closed session of Thursday’s executive meeting.

Following that meeting, Chief Sales said the report gives the city 12 months to make improvements or risk a downgrade in its rating for commercial properties – a category that includes multi-residential buildings. Such a downgrade would result in increased fire-insurance premiums, he said.

In response, the executive committee added $3-million to the fire budget, enough to hire 15 new fire-prevention officers and 20 firefighters.
 

james t kirk

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The solution is so simple.

The fire fighters take a small cut in pay (say 3 or 4 percent) and they can afford to keep the 4 trucks and no lay-offs.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.
 

blackrock13

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For one, the Fire Chief himself has said eliminating four truck and 84 fire fighters will not effect response times. I know for a fact that many of the calls the Fire Department take the large trucks to are unnecessary. Actual "fire" calls represent only 1% of the total number of calls. The next thing that should be done is merge Fire and EMS to make them more efficient.

This is nothing more than the fire association using scare tactics to protect their jobs.

More on that here.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...f-strength-at-council-meeting/article7283338/
Before the truck gets there you have very little information to go on on the fire emergency. As for a non fire emergency, i'm not sure, but I believe the fire, police and ambulance are sent 'if' the is any ambiguity i the call. It would be an embarrassment if a heart attack patience during his moment of need set the residence inn fire and the fire truck wasn't there. there could be four truck less pif the truck were side;lined for what ever reason. Unfortunately some of those fire truck as 20+ years old because the city doesn't want to buy new ones. He's talking about a perfect situation where no omen c alls in sick and that doesn't happen in real life. Traffic congestion, these bloody traffic calming islands, and the raised street car platforms have done a real hatchet job on response times.
 

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Usually fire insurance carriers provide assessments as to how many fire stations and truck and engine companies are needed (failing which fire insurance rates go up precipitously).
 

JohnLarue

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The solution is so simple.

The fire fighters take a small cut in pay (say 3 or 4 percent) and they can afford to keep the 4 trucks and no lay-offs.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.
It is, just as a cut to teachers salary could be used to fund books, more PCs or better gym equipment
However they will not consider a cut
 

blackrock13

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It is, just as a cut to teachers salary could be used to fund books, more PCs or better gym equipment
However they will not consider a cut
Once you own the trucks it doesn't cost any more to keep them. It cost any more to keep 40 trucks to answer a 1000 calls as it does for 36 trucks, as the fewer truck need servicing more often because the fewer trucks put in more road time and milage in the year.
 
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