Toronto crime statistics by race

[fuji]

The police and statscan have been pressured by various groups not to publish race based crime statistics.

Just for fun I went to the police website and looked at their Major News Reports which list all major crimes that have happened each day. For some of these they give a description of a suspect or suspects they are looking for, and where they have not yet made an arrest, they mention race.

For the seven days from January 22nd to January 29th here is a breakdown by race of who the police are looking for:

45 black (71.5%)
16 white (24.5%)
2 asian (3%)

By sex they are looking for 64 males and 2 females.

As I was compiling this I also noticed that most, but not quite all, of the white suspects they are seeking were from crimes with multiple suspects where at least one of the suspects was black.

Discuss.

 

[Herodotus]

Your point is?

 

[LancsLad]

Interesting compilation.

I look at the TPS and York police stats. One particular group does seem to figure prominently in the violent crime area. Maybe a new school and added sports complexs will give them something else to do? NOT

 

[LancsLad]

Your point is?

I think its fairly obvious, to anyone except the PC blind or "disenfranchised urban youth drop-outs".

Which one are you.

 

[fuji]

Some more information. Where age or age range was estimated the average age of black suspects was 19.5 while the average age of white suspects was 26.

About 40% of black suspects were 17 or under, while around 22% of white suspects were 17 or under.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Hmmm, seems to explain why some on here feel the way they do towards blacks.

Unlike Detroit, I do not believe 85% of city are black.

What about other weeks, be better looking at a year or two.

If the numbers stay like they are, can understand why some feel race matters.

Seems like the Asian's are the "best" but then how many in % are they.

Fuji---did you break down what crimes they were arrested for, maybe for the blacks it was mostly all drug arrest. Its a know fact the poor use more drugs than the better offs--illegal drugs that is.

 

[21pro]

of the 16 white, I'd imagine a very small few are civilized English or German descent. probably Irish, Russians and/or a mix of other Eastern Europeans...

what? ok- you said discuss... The white need an Caucasion-centric public school system... that's all. but, the Asians can be a part of it because they are such a small segment...

and BTW- what are Mohammad's? and what about people that their last name is Singh? I guess Asians? because they are from that part of the world?

actually, the only thing I get from these stats are: the white are the minority! i almost shit my pants.

 

[Herodotus]

Oh wait, I get it now, we're trying to out-do Calgary. Anything you cowboys can do, we Torontonians can do better!

 

[fuji]

Fuji---did you break down what crimes they were arrested for, maybe for the blacks it was mostly all drug arrest. Its a know fact the poor use more drugs than the better offs--illegal drugs that is.

I can't break down by arrest, since once they arrest a suspect they stop giving a description, and the police themselves have been ordered not to report or collect statistics by race.

Race is only published when someone is wanted by police--at that point it is included in the description of the person they are looking for.

I could go back and break it down by crime. Most of the crimes were robberies, muggings, swarmings, assaults, and home invasions. I don't believe that minor drug crimes get included in the major news report, only serious crimes are reported.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Oh..so thats only who the police are looking for..not how many they arrested.

Well everybody knows blacks can run very fast , thats why they get away from the police.

Its harder to describe the person too, they all have black hair, brown eyes...unlike whites. So they do get away easier.

 

[fuji]

More data:

80% of suspects under the age of 18 were black

60% of suspects over the age of 18 were black

So I'd say that this problem is primarily a black youth problem. Once you get to adulthood the gap closes from 80/20 to 60/40.

Actually overall it looks like 40% of violent crime suspects are blacks under the age of 18.

 

[dajodo2]

For the seven days from January 22nd to January 29th here is a breakdown by race of who the police are looking for:

45 black (71.5%)
16 white (24.5%)
2 asian (3%)

Discuss.

Just as I suspected, blacks and those fuckin' shifty Asians at it again.

 

[someone]

I’m familiar with some of the American data on the determinants of crime. Without controlling for other factors, blacks are more likely to commit crimes. However, when other factors, like income, are controlled, the difference is reduced and sometimes becomes significantly insignificant.

 

[fuji]

someone,

For that to be true in this case you would have to show that the overwhelming number of people living in poverty in Toronto are black.

I don't think that is true, but maybe you have evidence to the contrary. You'll have to show that something like 70% of those living in poverty are black for this to become insignificant--and I don't think the black population is large enough for that to be true.

 

[papasmerf]

If it takes a village to raise a child then the Black Community needs to work together to develop a positive social network for their children.

Doctor NO

the only one responsible for your children is you and their mother..........It takes a village to raise an idiot.

 

[someone]

someone,

For that to be true in this case you would have to show that the overwhelming number of people living in poverty in Toronto are black.

I don't think that is true, but maybe you have evidence to the contrary. You'll have to show that something like 70% of those living in poverty are black for this to become insignificant--and I don't think the black population is large enough for that to be true.

One reference is below

Market Wages and Youth Crime
Jeff Grogger
Journal of Labor Economics, Vol. 16, No. 4. (Oct., 1998), pp. 756-791.

This reference only finds that other factors explain part of the difference in crime rates. I can get you other references that find a stronger impact, even eliminating the statistical significance of the difference, but I likely will not have time to do so until the weekend.

BTW, you don't have to show that 70% of people living in poverty are black, but I won't get into the details of regression analysis right now.

 

[S.C. Joe]

When it comes to "white collar" crimes--were theres millions of dollars stolen, the whites lead the way.

Theres more blacks in the USA jail system but if you take drugs out of it, then its about even.

Why try to start a racism post anyways, this is whats going to happen.

 

[dajodo2]

I think recording crime by race is misleading - I think if you changed or added economic circumstances to this demographic peek at crime you would find a startling difference.
bbk

No you wouldn't.

There are poor white kids, poor Asian kids, poor Hindu and Muslim kids but who's kids are the ones getting a school curriculum geared specifically towards them?

 

[Esco!]

I think its fairly obvious, to anyone except the PC blind or "disenfranchised urban youth drop-outs".
Which one are you

But we have easy talking Lancs, we are white guys

I used to have a summer job working for a large pharmaceutical corp.
Whenever there was a black kid applying for a job the manager used to write a huge N***GER on his application after he'd shown him the door.

So what are you supposed to do when noone will hire you??
Work at McDonalds as a slave for $7 an hour??? (pardon the pun)

F__ck that!!
If it were me I'd probably turn to a life of crime also where I can make 2 grand a week

 

[fuji]

other factors explain part of the difference in crime rates

If your point is that crime does not have a genetic basis I agree with you, eventually, other factors will explain why 70% of violent street crimes in Toronto are committed by blacks.

I think the following things are likely linked to crime, none of which have a genetic basis:

-- Exposure to hip hop culture
-- Living in a broken home
-- Being raised by a single mother
-- Exposure to abusive behavior
-- An environment where failure is blamed on society (lack of personal accountability / low locus of control)
-- Drug abuse
-- etc.

In other words I am saying that the root of the problem is "black culture", and by that I do not mean African culture, I mean the culture that exists in and around Jane & Finch, however it evolved.

I do not think that you will make this effect go away simply by factoring out things like income; and when you start factoring in things like divorced parents and single mothers I am going to jump up and say, "aha, that is culture".