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so i wandered to yahoo.ca and saw the battle between timmy's and starbucks. personally, the reason why i think timmy's dominate is because they have way more locations and almost all of them have drive-thru.

i personally go to both depending on which ever one is available based on where i am. i use to nvr go to starbucks because i figured it would cost an arm and a leg. but when i started going to starbucks, i realized that it is not the case. i think a tall house coffee at starbucks is like $1.80. but its like the size of a large coffee at tim hortons which i think is about $1.40? correct me if im wrong. which to me is not a big difference for better coffee.

i really think the big difference is not the price. its just that for every 1 starbucks...there is about 20-30 more tim hortons. atleast this is the case outside downtown toronto.
 

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McCafe - McDonalds...they have a med the cost of small...the coffee is drinkable lukewarm..i like those double wall cups and the quality of coffee beans
 

richaceg

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true but if you look at the settings of both you can actually notice starbucks' target market vs. timmy's. starbucks go after youth and yuppies, whilst timmy's goes after everyone.
 

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I'll take Starbucks over Tim Horton's (or Timmies as some people like to call them....makes it feel all warm and fuzzy to even say it, doesn't it! lol) any day of the week! I also love Timothy's or Second Cup. I like a good cup of coffee, and Tim Horton's coffee does not fit the bill for me. Too watery and cheap tasting for my palate. If there is no other choice, and I need a coffee, then it will do, but if given the choice, I'll always avoid it.

Now the sandwiches at Tim Horton's are another story. Very good sandwiches with a healthy serving of coldcuts on nice crispy bread!
 

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I prefer Starbucks... but was also surprised how decent the new coffee at McDonalds was.

However if given the choice of McD's and Tim's... McD's by a landslide.
 

rafterman

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Coincidentally, article in today's Globe and Mail about the coffee wars. Interesting to note the relative advertising budgets Starbucks 26 million McDonalds 820 million although that is for their whole menu.


BATTLE of the BARISTAS As McDonald's muscles in, Starbucks is fighting back May 29, 2009 By WENDY STUECK AND MARINA STRAUSS
VANCOUVER, TORONTO -- When Howard Schultz visited Vancouver this week, he reminisced to employees about the city's special place in Starbucks' history, as the site of the company's first foray outside of the United States in 1987 and the testing ground for what would become a global business.

"We had no clue what we were doing," Mr. Schultz, Starbucks Corp.'s SBUX-Q chief executive officer, said in an interview at a downtown outlet, a five-minute walk from that original store at Vancouver's waterfront SeaBus terminal.

"[Vancouver] seemed close, we had some good real estate. But in those days, none of us had any international experience. It was just passion and will," he recalled. "And you know what? That's what we have today."

It's vintage Howard Schultz inspiration - and he, and the company he founded, will need it. Since its birth in Seattle nearly 40 years ago, Starbucks has built an iconic brand with relatively little advertising, thanks to the power of a once-novel concept and customers' embrace of a "third place" between work and home. But now Starbucks is up against a competitor, McDonald's Corp., MCD-N with a gargantuan marketing budget and a bottomless thirst to win coffee drinkers' business.

In the U.S., Starbucks is fighting back with an unprecedented advertising campaign that reminds customers, "It's not just coffee. It's Starbucks," and other tactics, such as sending out Mr. Schultz to talk up lower-cost drinks.

Starbucks is investing heavily in digital media (Sheryl Sandberg, the chief operating officer of Facebook, joined the board in March), with campaigns on networks such as Twitter.

The fight is about to come to Canada, where fast-food giant McDonald's is spending millions to woo customers with cheap coffee combos and Starbucks intends to expand its advertising campaign.

In terms of financial muscle, it's no contest. Last year, McDonald's spent more than $820-million (U.S.) on advertising in the United States alone - more than 30 times as much as Starbucks spent on ads in 2008.

Mr. Schultz knows that no matter how much he adds to the marketing budget, he can't afford to outspend the competition.

"We don't have to," he said, sipping from a cup of black coffee in a Starbucks mug and munching on a scone after spending the previous few hours talking to some 250 employees at a nearby hotel. "That's not our game. We need to play our game our way, and focus on our strengths."

For Starbucks, that means emphasizing matters such as support for coffee growers, the African AIDS-related Red campaign - and, oh yes, affordable drinks. Half the beverages the company sells are less than $3 and a third are under $2, Mr. Schultz said. Specialty drinks can cost more, he concedes, but the blanket "four-bucks" tag is unwarranted.

McDonald's, which has rolled out its McCafé products at about 11,000 of its U.S. restaurants over the past few years, recently launched a test of the concept in a "handful" of its restaurants in Atlantic Canada, and plans to have 70 pilot stores by the summer, said John Betts, president of McDonald's Canada.

The McCafé offering includes cappuccinos and lattes; mochas and espressos, topped with chocolate drizzle or powder.

As part of McDonald's coffee push in Canada, the burger giant handed out free brewed coffees for two weeks in late April, a campaign that was so successful that Mr. Betts said the chain will run a similar promotion some time soon.

The strategy seems to be working. In its latest fiscal quarter ended March 29, Starbucks' same-store sales fell 8 per cent in North America while those at McDonald's rose 4.7 per cent.

Starbucks remains highly profitable, has an "impeccable" balance sheet and is still opening stores throughout the world, including 60 this year in Canada, Mr. Schultz says. (Fifteen underperforming stores are being closed here as part of the company's global overhaul.) Starbucks has also introduced Via, an instant coffee product.

But by carrying less expensive products in its stores and selling such things as instant coffee, Starbucks is in danger of losing its luxury identity, said Jenny Darroch, a professor of marketing at Claremont Graduate University's Drucker School of Management in Claremont, Calif.

Bryant Simon, a professor of history at Temple University in Philadelphia who has written a soon-to-be-released book on Starbucks called Everything but the Coffee, questions the wisdom of the company's emphasis on ethics and values.

"I would make myself people's definition of coffee and give up the other stuff. That's already gone. Nobody thinks of Starbucks as authentic any more, do they?"

Well, Mr. Schultz does.

Asked whether anybody really cares about fair-trade beans when they just want a cup of joe, Mr. Schultz says he believes some will.

"Not every customer is going to think it's relevant, or believe it's true, or think 'This is why I come to Starbucks.' But I still want to tell the story. Because at the end of the day, the quality of coffee will tell its own story, coupled with what we do around it."

He speaks over the hiss of an espresso machine, in a store in the city where Starbucks has been a fixture for more than 20 years, then heads out the door, on his way to meet some "premium customers" who warranted the invitation by being daily customers for years at a time. He can't wait to meet them.

STARBUCKS (SBUX-Q)

Close: $13.71, up 31¢

MCDONALD'S (MCD-N)

Close: $58.13, up 31¢

***

Coffee wars

ADVERTISING

$26-million

Amount in U.S. dollars spent by Starbucks on advertising in the United States in 2008.

$820-million

Amount McDonald's spent on

advertising in the United States last year.

PRICE

$3.10

Price for a 12-ounce caffe mocha at Starbucks. A 20-ounce cup costs $3.95.

$2.29

Price of a 12-ounce espresso-based coffee at McDonald's.

A 22-ounce cup costs $3.25.

SALES

-8 per cent

Starbucks' latest quarter same-store sales in North America.

4.7 per cent

Latest quarter North American same-store sales at McDonald's.

Sources: TNS Media Intelligence, Desjardins Securities, company reports
 
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i think starbucks needs to start franchising...if they did...there would be way more starbucks being built and way more of them available to the public. i think its really the main reason why they are losing...distribution...
 

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Starbucks for coffee, taste and quality. Timmies because they are everywhere Ah hell they are more expensive than gas station coffee and about as good.
 

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Fuck both of them, I will never understand why people will line up in their cars 10 deep at Timmies for brown water, and repeat their order 3 times into a mic to some person who barely grasps the english language, yet the same people will probably whine when they are 3rd in line at the bank...

StarBucks is ridiculous in price and tude "Grande" fuck off give me a large this is North America! give me a regular donut shop (if you can find one) and order a large regular and THEY will put the milk an sugar in it for you unlike the yuppie fucktards who work at StarBucks or better yet stop being so lazy and brew your own coffee at home to help put both of these shit holes out of bizz

Whew I feel better, rant of the day
 

Ladyraven

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asn said:
I have noticed a fair number of new Starbucks location in my neighbourhood lately.

I think I am gonna be the odd one out.. I Love Timmies coffee.. its like my crack..lol wanna come see me you better bring a large triple triple ..
I don't mind being odd . thats what makes me so lovable
 

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I agree with you totally. I have never come across people as stupid as the ones that work at Tom Horton's. And that is not easy because there are a lot of morons in Toronto.

And Starbucks is overpriced, mediocre product and, yes, they can shove the Tall, Grande and whatever the 3rd one is right up their asses.


Tao said:
Fuck both of them, I will never understand why people will line up in their cars 10 deep at Timmies for brown water, and repeat their order 3 times into a mic to some person who barely grasps the english language, yet the same people will probably whine when they are 3rd in line at the bank...

StarBucks is ridiculous in price and tude "Grande" fuck off give me a large this is North America! give me a regular donut shop (if you can find one) and order a large regular and THEY will put the milk an sugar in it for you unlike the yuppie fucktards who work at StarBucks or better yet stop being so lazy and brew your own coffee at home to help put both of these shit holes out of bizz

Whew I feel better, rant of the day
 

skymano

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Timmy's hands down is better!

Can't believe people will pay twice as much for a cup of coffee. I even prefer the taste of Timmy's over Starbucks.
 

papasmerf

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skymano said:
Can't believe people will pay twice as much for a cup of coffee. I even prefer the taste of Timmy's over Starbucks.
I think Starbucks is overpriced but I like a strong cup of coffee.

Most mornings I go the a gas station for coffee, no flavor to speak of, just like timmies
 

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If I don't start my day off with a large Timmies, double milk man can I get grumpy. Sometimes I think it is an addiction talking.....nnnaaaaaa.....:eek:
 
I worked for Timmies as a baker ofr 7 years ... maybe it's like the McDonalds theory that if you get enough into you for a period of time you learn to prefer it...lol The staff at the closest Timmies to me usually have my order ready when I walk into the door and know me by name.

Honestly there's a pastry shop on Royal York that if I had it my way I'd go there for coffee. Nothing special about the coffee per se, but always an identical taste and right amount of flavor.

Starbucks is probably better coffee, but I don't like it enough to be spending the extra $$ on the 3-4 coffee's a day I buy.
 

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calloway said:
I prefer Starbucks... but was also surprised how decent the new coffee at McDonalds was.

However if given the choice of McD's and Tim's... McD's by a landslide.
McDonald's coffee will surprise many people. I prefer it over Tim Horton's coffee.
 
Tao said:
Fuck both of them, I will never understand why people will line up in their cars 10 deep at Timmies for brown water, and repeat their order 3 times into a mic to some person who barely grasps the english language, yet the same people will probably whine when they are 3rd in line at the bank...

StarBucks is ridiculous in price and tude "Grande" fuck off give me a large this is North America! give me a regular donut shop (if you can find one) and order a large regular and THEY will put the milk an sugar in it for you unlike the yuppie fucktards who work at StarBucks or better yet stop being so lazy and brew your own coffee at home to help put both of these shit holes out of bizz

Whew I feel better, rant of the day
I'm with you on this one Tao! I ALWAYS brew my own, unless I am traveling.:)
 

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Fuck'em all

If you're going to brew your own coffee then do not buy ground coffee. Ground coffee can be something like 30% other stuff (twigs, leaves, dirt, etc) and still be called coffee. Only buy whole beans and grind them yourself.

Better yet, do what I do and buy green coffee beans, roast them yourself at home and grind them only as you need them. My coffee is better and cheaper than McDonalds, Starbucks and the rest of them.
 

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I was once a Timmies lover. Large double double on average 3 times a day for many many many years, until a couple of years ago I had my first Starbucks and never looked back. I go for the bold regardless of which roast they're using for that week, but it's usually Sumatra. I usually buy that or French Roast for home brew as well.
Starbucks is better tasting by a landslide. Now Timmies double double tastes like cream with sugar in boiled water with a very light hint of coffee.

Some people mentioned it being pricey. Well, it really isn't that much more. I go for a grande which is $2.05 and its size is comparable to a large at Timmies, maybe a little bigger. I'd be more than happy to pay the extra 50 or 60 cents for a stronger, real tasting coffee. If you bring your own travel mug into Starbucks, I believe it's cheaper.

Another thing someone mentioned is the adding your own sugar, cream etc... Honestly, I'd prefer it that way. You have control of what and how much to put in there. Plus, there's more than just cream and white sugar to choose from.

Well, that's just my 2 cents.
 
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