Time To Eat The Dog?

danmand

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Time To Eat The Dog?
The real guide to sustainable living by Robert and Brenda Vale,
Thames and Hudson, 2009, 384 pp.,
ISBN: 978-0-500-28790-3
• Charlie Dickinson

TIME TO EAT THE DOG? by New Zealand authors makes one unassailable point on its opening pages: If everyone on Earth shared equally the lifestyle enjoyed in North America, then five planet Earths would be needed. Obviously, an unattainable proposition.

In an online interview (@ Celsias), Robert Vale asserted "there are many "wussy" sustainability books" around and he and Ms. Vale wanted to write one that backed up justification of sustainability choices with real numbers, not the intuitive beliefs of sloganeers. That is, the Vales wanted a book that showed people how to "do the maths" and make informed sustainability choices
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Chapter after chapter, the Vales set forth defensible, well-researched data for choices on such topics as food, transport, shelter, and recreation. Why prefer linoleum to shag carpeting? The Vales give mathematical dimension to that choice.

The scope of their sustainability survey is amazing. Even the oddball idea I had of buying a bamboo frame bicycle from a local bike builder here in Portland, Oregon surfaces in the data presentation. A wooden bicycle is "green," but in sustainability terms, more the proverbial gilding on the lily. According to the Vales, the real priority is to ride a bike, not drive a gas guzzler.

Other amazing conclusions are that a Boeing 747 (full) has more energy efficiency per passenger-kilometer that a bicyclist (slow or fast pedalling, who eats bread for fuel, but must shower after the ride). Or that a city bus burning diesel lags in efficiency behind the solo driver of a 1.6-liter car!

As for the jokey title of TIME TO EAT THE DOG?, the authors didn't set out to offend pet owners. But by "doing the maths" on the sustainability footprint of a pet choice, they want to point out that "extra children"--those births above zero population growth--cost and need more than even a large pet. A sneaky, but effective way to make the case against runaway population growth.

Admittedly, a book heavy with table after table of data comparisons might on first glance seem a slow slog. Fortunately, the Vales write well and offer occasional humorous asides. Moreover, the book's graphic design and page layout is exceedingly attractive and makes the "data consumption" easier. Think of this as reference tome on sustainability choice the reader might take on a chapter at a time and savor.
 

blackrock13

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I read this and couldn't believe it. What they don't take into consideration is what the dogs give back and that's worth every kilo spent.

Some people have too much time on their hands.
 

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If people would grind up their children and then kill themselves, their carbon footprint would be much more acceptable to me.
 
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The problem with eating dogs is that they can be very fatty. Every one I've ever had flames up badly on the 'ole Barby - ESPECIALLY the beagles! If you must serve dog, go for a lean, yet still succulent breed, such as a Weimeraumer, Whippet, or Greyhound.

Avoid Dalmatians - they cause gas!

As for the 'little' breeds - chiauwaus (how the heck do you spell that?), Pomeranians and the like - forget it! Not worth the effort, they are the cornish game hens of the dog world.
 

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The problem with eating dogs is that they can be very fatty. Every one I've ever had flames up badly on the 'ole Barby - ESPECIALLY the beagles! If you must serve dog, go for a lean, yet still succulent breed, such as a Weimeraumer, Whippet, or Greyhound.

Avoid Dalmatians - they cause gas!

As for the 'little' breeds - chiauwaus (how the heck do you spell that?), Pomeranians and the like - forget it! Not worth the effort, they are the cornish game hens of the dog world.
OH MY GAWD, the toy breeds I mean really

what kind of a host are you

NO APPETIZERS

Really take me off the guest list..........................
 

danmand

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Rather ironic that it's written by two Kiwis considering that New Zealand is heavily dependent upon agricultural exports.
I do not know. Clearly, from a global perspective it is somewhat obscene
that we feed a lot of protein to our cats and dogs.

But a whole lot of things we do is obscene from that perspective.
 

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I keep hoping for some "save the planet" Jonestown pact by hippies and liberals..... but alas probably too much to hope for.....

OTB

ps.... I'm with Blackrock13, I like a higher percent of dogs than people I meet.
 

mandrill

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The problem with eating dogs is that they can be very fatty. Every one I've ever had flames up badly on the 'ole Barby - ESPECIALLY the beagles! If you must serve dog, go for a lean, yet still succulent breed, such as a Weimeraumer, Whippet, or Greyhound.

Avoid Dalmatians - they cause gas!

As for the 'little' breeds - chihuahuas (how the heck do you spell that?), Pomeranians and the like - forget it! Not worth the effort, they are the cornish game hens of the dog world.
If you read the blurb carefully, the author isn't advocating eating dogs, because he makes the point that extra children cost more in terms of resources than even the largest dog. (I believe this is mainly because of hockey camps and Rosedale orthodontists, but that is just my own personal opinion.)

It is evident that what the author is suggesting is that children be eaten. While the idea is radical, it also leads to the plethora of decisions that would have to be made to implement the plan. How are the children to be selected for the cooking pot? Should we select the tastiest ones and forego the scrawny? Or should we make being killed and cooked a sanction for children who underachieve at the grade school level?
 

themexi

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If you read the blurb carefully, the author isn't advocating eating dogs, because he makes the point that extra children cost more in terms of resources than even the largest dog. (I believe this is mainly because of hockey camps and Rosedale orthodontists, but that is just my own personal opinion.)

It is evident that what the author is suggesting is that children be eaten. While the idea is radical, it also leads to the plethora of decisions that would have to be made to implement the plan. How are the children to be selected for the cooking pot? Should we select the tastiest ones and forego the scrawny? Or should we make being killed and cooked a sanction for children who underachieve at the grade school level?

Don't have a future unless huge resources have to be confiscated from the productive by the state to "save" you???? Into the fucking pot ASAP....
 

Sammy the Bull

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If people would grind up their children and then kill themselves, their carbon footprint would be much more acceptable to me.
Maybe we should get into cannabalism, that way our carbon footprint will be -100 :D
(my math might be slightly off )
 

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LOL a lot of people here sound very defensive about their own lifestyle choices. Makes me think the author might be right.

That aside, I found this to be quite interesting. I'd never have guessed.
Other amazing conclusions are that a Boeing 747 (full) has more energy efficiency per passenger-kilometer that a bicyclist (slow or fast pedalling, who eats bread for fuel, but must shower after the ride). Or that a city bus burning diesel lags in efficiency behind the solo driver of a 1.6-liter car!
 

blackrock13

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You are dating yourself.................... pass the spoon
I've even seen Plan 9 from Outer Space. Does that do it as well? SG was Edward G's Robinson's last movie and his exit in the movie was scaringly prophetic. He went out quietly and not with a bang as the classic movie bad guy should have.

You want crackers with that soup?
 
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WhaWhaWha

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Between a rock and a hard place
The problem with eating dogs is that they can be very fatty. Every one I've ever had flames up badly on the 'ole Barby - ESPECIALLY the beagles! If you must serve dog, go for a lean, yet still succulent breed, such as a Weimeraumer, Whippet, or Greyhound.

Avoid Dalmatians - they cause gas!

As for the 'little' breeds - chiauwaus (how the heck do you spell that?), Pomeranians and the like - forget it! Not worth the effort, they are the cornish game hens of the dog world.
I bet pugs are like Turkeys. Lots of good meat in ratio to bone.
 
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