Time to Bail Out of the US?

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Here's the 'hole' Obama has to dig out of!....:(

Astonishing Incongruities

Is It Time to Bail Out of the US?


By Paul Craig Roberts

January 28, 2009 "Information Clearinghouse" -- California State Controller John Chiang announced on January 26 that California’s bills exceed its tax revenues and credit line and that the state is going to print its own money known as IOUs. The template is already designed.

Instead of receiving their state tax refunds in dollars, California residents will receive IOUs. Student aid and payments to disabled and needy will also come in the form of IOUs. California is negotiating with banks to get them to accept the IOUs as deposits.

California is often identified as the world’s eighth largest economy, and it is broke.

A person might think that California’s plight would introduce some realism into Washington, DC, but it has not. President Obama is taking steps to intensify the war in Afghanistan and, perhaps, to expand it to Pakistan.

Obama has retained the Republican warmongers in the Pentagon, and the US continues to illegally bomb Pakistan and to murder its civilians. At the World Economic Forum at Davos this week, Pakistan’s prime minister, Y. R. Gilani, said that the American attacks on Pakistan are counterproductive and done without Pakistan’s permission. In an interview with CNN, Gilani said: “I want to put on record that we do not have any agreement between the government of the United States and the government of Pakistan.”

How long before Washington will be printing money?

On January 28 Obama announced his $825 billion bailout plan. This comes on top of President Bush’s $700 billion bailout of just a few months ago.

Obama says his plan will be more transparent than Bush’s and will do more good for the economy.

As large as the bailouts are--a total of $1.5 trillion in four months--the amount is small in relation to the reported size of troubled assets that are in the tens of trillions of dollars. How do we know that by June there won’t be another bailout, say $950 billion?

Where will the money come from?

Obama’s bailout plan, added to the FY 2009 budget deficit he has inherited from Bush, opens a gaping expenditure hole of about $3 trillion.
Who is going to purchase $3 trillion of US Treasury bonds?

Not the US consumer. The consumer is out of work and out of money. Private sector credit market debt is 174% of GDP. The personal savings rate is 2 percent. Ten percent of households are in foreclosure or arrears. Household debt-service ratio is at an all-time high. Household net worth has declined at a record rate. Housing inventories are at record highs.

Not America’s foreign creditors. At best, the Chinese, Japanese, and Saudis can recycle their trade surpluses with the US into Treasury bonds, but the combined surplus does not approach the size of the US budget deficit.

Perhaps another drop in the stock market will drive Americans’ remaining wealth into “safe” US Treasury bonds.

If not, there’s only the printing press.

The printing press would turn a deflationary depression into an inflationary depression.
Unemployment combined with rising prices would be a killer.

Inflation would kill the dollar as well, leaving the US unable to pay for its imports.

All the Obama regime sees is a “credit problem.” But the crisis goes far beyond banks’ bad investments. The United States is busted. Many of the state governments are busted. Homeowners are busted. Consumers are busted. Jobs are busted. Companies are busted.

And Obama thinks he has the money to fight wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Except for the superrich and those banksters and CEOs who stole wealth from investors and shareholders, Americans have suffered enormous losses in wealth and income.

The stock market decline has destroyed about 45% of their IRAs, 401Ks, and other equity investments. On top of this comes the decline in home prices, lost jobs and health care, lost customers. The realized gains in mutual funds and investment partnerships, on which Americans paid taxes, have been wiped out.

The government should give those taxes back.

Americans who have seen their retirement savings devastated by complicity of government regulators and lawmakers with financial gangsters should not have to pay
any income tax when they draw on their pensions.

The financial damage inflicted on Americans by their own government is as great as would be expected from foreign conquest. While Washington “protected” us from terrorists by fighting pointless wars abroad, the US economy collapsed.

How can President Obama even think about fighting wars half way around the world while California cannot pay its bills, while Americans are being turned out of their homes, while, as Business Week reports, retirees will work throughout their retirement (which assumes that there will be jobs), while careers are being destroyed and stores and factories shuttered.

Americans are facing tremendous unemployment and hardship. Obama doesn’t have another dollar to spend on Bush’s wars.

Taxpayers are busted. They cannot stand another day of being milked by the military-security complex. The US government is paying private mercenaries more by the day than the monthly checks it is providing to Social Security retirees.

This is insanity.

The banksters robbed us twice. First it was our home and stock values. Then the government rewarded the banksters for their misdeeds by bailing out the banksters, not their victims, and putting the cost on the taxpayers’ books.

The government has also robbed the taxpayers of $3 trillion dollars to fight its wars. About $600 billion are out of pocket costs, and the rest is on the taxpayers’ books.

When foreign creditors look at the debt piled on the taxpayers’ books, they don’t see a good credit risk.

Washington is so accustomed to ripping off the taxpayers for the benefit of special interests that the practice is now in the DNA. While bailouts are being piled upon bailouts, wars are being piled upon wars.

Before Obama gets in any deeper, he must ask his economic team where the money is coming from. When he finds out, he needs to tell the rest of us.
 

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California IOUs

Too funny.

Wonder if that was an idea of the 'Governator'?

Folks there might start calling it 'Kalifornia Funny Money'...:D
 

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Malibook said:
California IOUs?
That is hilarious and pathetic.
I would use the IOU to pay my property taxes or any other government bills.:p
Do you think SPs will accept California IOUs?

A lot of California's problems stem from ballot inititives that prohibit the government from raising money using 'normal' methods like raising property taxes(and maybe others). Humorous to think that Arnie wants the rest of the country to pay for california's schools and prisons because California is 'prohibited' from raising the money from its own citizens.
 

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Obama’s trying to spend his way out of a recession like Bob Rae tried to do. It will likely make the economy worse.

400 million on global warming research. 2.4 billion in carbon capture projects (whatever that means), $650 million for digital tv conversion coupons will be tax dollars down the drain. He’s putting through all sorts of nanny state, social engineering projects disguised as economic stimulus.

At least taxes are going the right direction.

The scary part is that this is much the same as what Hoover and later on Roosevelt tried to do during the great depression. They tried to spend their way out of it by stimulating the economy. Nothing they did worked and it only made things worse. It was the war that finally ended it.
 

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The Governor has had a hell of a time getting the CA legislature to pull together a sensible budget. The left-coast policies of CA have finally come home to roost and the short falls will be substantial.

CA had terrible schools, high unemployment (9.3%), over 5 million illegal aliens clogging it's social services..... and yes, a proposition system that allows the voters to make all sorts of irresponsible decisions.

My favorite anecdote: there is a corner on Market Street in San Fran that has a substantial number of car/bike accidents - the plan is to paint a wide line across one of the streets emphasizing the bike lane.... the CA environmental impact study required to paint that line is to take 2 Years! Land of fruits and nuts indeed.

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Will the citizens notice?

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Forces State Workers to Take Unpaid 'Vacation' Days


Going against the wishes of state workers' unions that said the governor's plan to save $1.3 billion with unpaid time off was both illegal and unconstitutional, Judge Patrick Marlette ruled this morning that Schwarzenegger can order two furlough days a month. That is to say, Arnold can now force state workers to take days off a month without pay. "The current circumstances constitute an emergency," said Marlette, citing California's budget crisis and lack of funds. The furloughs will start next week. Enjoy your days off. Or not.
 

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Sooooo bottie, as living standards decline, you give your blessing to the Governator's 'race to the bottom', eh.....:rolleyes:
 

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Rae Days

It seems like small minds think alike.

EU
Really? I'll bet some of the laid off auto workers in Oshawa would love to have Rae days. Rae days are being used all over the US and Europe, Japan to counter the affects of the recession.

Bob Rae was a decade ahead of his time.
 

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chiller_boy said:
Bob Rae was a decade ahead of his time.
These big business 'uber alles' types want no part of that.
They preach screw the workers.....big business comes first all the time....:rolleyes:
 

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enduser1 said:
Rae was ahead of his time. He is also a very decent person. He also came to realize that the government should not be the employer of last resort.

He realized it too late. Harris was truly vile but, in his first term he implemented a lot of cuts that the populace voted for and supported. Harris got the deficit under control. Frankly there will come a time in the USA where governments are just going to have to eliminate bureaucracies and the laws that created them.

I forsee a major downsizing of government over the next few years.

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From your lips to God's ears... but given that Obama is getting ready to spend a TRILLION dollars we don't have I think we may have to wait a while.

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enduser1 said:
Rae was ahead of his time. He is also a very decent person. He also came to realize that the government should not be the employer of last resort.

He realized it too late. Harris was truly vile but, in his first term he implemented a lot of cuts that the populace voted for and supported. Harris got the deficit under control. Frankly there will come a time in the USA where governments are just going to have to eliminate bureaucracies and the laws that created them.

I forsee a major downsizing of government over the next few years.

EU
You're right about that. This is just the first shot across the bow for public sector union .... the next step will be widesrpead layoffs, just like in Ontario.
With so many sectors of the US economy under pressure nowadays, I just wonder where the demand is going to come from to pull everyone out of this mess.
 

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But fortunately Obama is not increasing the size of Government as much as Dubya did!...;)
 

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Spend Obama, spend all the dollars that you don't have. Just keep printing all the US dollars you need, don,t worry about the next generation, the Chinese will bail you out. Remember, you are the most powerful man on earth. Keep spending and keep that press running 24/7.
 

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jackd1959 said:
but unfortunately Obama is increasing the size of Government in the US...
In a massive way, and for many years to come, which is why this Stimulus package is so dangerous.

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