Tick tock, tick tock......zzzzzz.....The Muslim Kidnap Outrage

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KUWAIT CITY - Kidnapped American journalist Jill Carroll appeared in a video aired Thursday on a private Kuwaiti TV channel appealing for her supporters to do whatever it takes to win her release.

In the video, Carroll said the date was Feb. 2.

"I am here. I am fine. Please just do whatever they want, give them whatever they want as quickly as possible," she said. She wore a veil and appeared composed, speaking in a strong voice.

Armed men abducted the 28-year-old freelance reporter for The Christian Science Monitor on Jan. 7 in Baghdad.

There have been two previous videotapes of the journalist. On Jan. 30, Al-Jazeera television broadcast a video showing Carroll weeping as she appealed for the release of female Iraqi prisoners.

The name of the group that has claimed responsibility for her abduction, the Revenge Brigades, appeared on that video.

On Jan. 17, Al-Jazeera aired a video released by the Revenge Brigades showing Carroll — her head bare, and her long straight brown hair parted in the middle — and setting a Jan. 20 deadline for the release of all female prisoners in Iraq. The group threatened to execute her unless their demands were met.




Wake me up when a Muslim demonstrates against the kidnapping.
 

revolution

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Here's my reply from another thread:

"The civilized world is a victim of Islamic totalitarian attacks aimed at our way of life, we either conform to their backwards/uncivilized/brutish outdated way of life akin to that of the middle ages, or we face savage attacks in the form of suicide bombings and beheadings.

Is it just me, or does it seem that Islam was sent down to humanity as a plague to test our moral resolve and actions towards such savagery?"
 

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revolution said:
Is it just me, or does it seem that Islam was sent down to humanity as a plague to test our moral resolve and actions towards such savagery?"
Or: perhaps it's a litmus test for bigoted dickwads, perfectly designed to flush out the bozoes who can barely read a newspaper, much less see the complexities of the contemporary world?

MW
 

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maxweber said:
Or: perhaps it's a litmus test for bigoted dickwads, perfectly designed to flush out the bozoes who can barely read a newspaper, much less see the complexities of the contemporary world?

MW
Hmmm, or perhaps it's a wakeup call for terrorist apologists such as yourself, who defend and justify the savagery of terrorists, and who then march over to Iraq or Gaza to hang out with their terrorist buddies who they defend to no end in an attempt to join them in their bashing of the civilized 'infidels' of the western world, and who then get taken hostage by these very terrorists whom they defend and get beheaded in the most savage of ways?

The civilized world refers to people like you as 'useful idiots.' Useful to the terrorists as you further their brutish/savage agenda, yet an idiot in the sense that the terrorists hate you as much as any other infidel, and will gladly behead you or blow you up in the most savage of ways despite your support for them.
 

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Please, just for the record, please please please just write that kidnapping and killing journalists is WRONG, without any qualifiers. It's not a "complexity of the modern world." It's WRONG.

If you can't do that, I can't but agree with the bigoted dickwads in their opposition to you.

I can agree that a lot of what we're seeing is complex, that the west, the US, Israel etc... have much to apologize for.

Just agree with me that these kidnappers (and how about including suicide bombers targeting the general public too) are just plain WRONG, at least in their methods if not every aspect of their supposed justification.

Come on, let's see it.
 

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DATYdude said:
Please, just for the record, please please please just write that kidnapping and killing journalists is WRONG, without any qualifiers. It's not a "complexity of the modern world." It's WRONG.
If you can't do that, I can't but agree with the bigoted dickwads in their opposition to you.
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Come on, let's see it.
I don't doubt it; why do you? But: neither do I doubt that these hysterical imprecations against Islam and the worlds Muslims are part of a movement to avoid peace, to throw gas on the flames, to shore up American (and Israeli) policies that are every bit as wrong as the bombings of innocent civilians.

And what in heaven's name does it good to extort entirely useless protestations like this? Again, why call the unquestionable, self-evident immorality of the suicide bombings into question at all? This whole compulsion to maudlin affirmation of the self-evident reminds me most uncomfortably of a frenzied revival meeting--and of 1984.

MW
 

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My guess is we will never see an outright condemnation of a criminal act, especially if we can't somehow blame the US for it?

Maxl you are still the same angry old hippie, you always have been....some things just never change.
 

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maxweber said:
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And what in heaven's name does it good to extort entirely useless protestations like this? Again, why call the unquestionable, self-evident immorality of the suicide bombings into question at all? This whole compulsion to maudlin affirmation of the self-evident reminds me most uncomfortably of a frenzied revival meeting--and of 1984.

MW
OMG......you can't be serious. Revival meetings don't kill anybody..do you know the difference...
HAHAHAHAHA......even by your standards this has to be a highlight of apologetic, head in the sand...excusism.
 

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http://www.whyislam.org/877/Services/Literature/22.asp

What does Islam say about Terrorism?
877-WHY-ISLAM Brochure.

One of the distinctive characteristics of the times we live in is the overwhelming presence of violence in our societies. Whether it is a bomb going off in a market place, or the hijacking of an aircraft where innocent people are held at ransom to achieve political ends, we live in an age, where the manipulation and loss of innocent lives has become commonplace.

Such is the all-pervasive nature of indiscriminate violence, that “terrorism” is considered as one of the prime threats to peace and security in our societies.

The word terrorism came into wide usage only a few decades ago. One of the unfortunate results of this new terminology is that it limits the definition of terrorism to that perpetrated by small groups or individuals. Terrorism, in fact, spans the entire world, and manifests itself in various forms. Its perpetrators do not fit any stereotype. Those who hold human lives cheap, and have the power to expend human lives, appear at different levels in our societies. The frustrated employee who kills his colleagues in cold-blood or the oppressed citizen of an occupied land who vents his anger by blowing up a school bus are terrorists who provoke our anger and revulsion. Ironically however, the politician who uses age-old ethnic animosities between peoples to consolidate his position, the head of state who orders “carpet bombing” of entire cities, the exalted councils that choke millions of civilians to death by wielding the insidious weapon of sanctions, are rarely punished for their crimes against humanity.

It is this narrow definition of terrorism that implicates only individuals and groups, that has caused Muslims to be associated with acts of destruction and terror, and as a result, to become victims of hate violence and terror themselves. Sometimes the religion of Islam is held responsible for the acts of a handful of Muslims, and often for the acts of non-Muslims!

Could it be possible that Islam, whose light ended the Dark Ages in Europe, now propound the advent of an age of terror? Could a faith that has over 1.2 billion followers the world over, and over 7 million in America, actually advocate the killing and maiming of innocent people? Could Islam, whose name itself stands for “peace” and “submission to God”, encourage its adherents to work for death and destruction?

For too long, have we relied on popular images in the media and in Hollywood films, for answers to these pertinent questions. It is now time to look at the sources of Islam, and its history to determine whether Islam does indeed advocate violence.

SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE

The Glorious Qur’an says:

“…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.”
[Al-Qur’an 6:151]

Islam considers all life forms as sacred. However, the sanctity of human life is accorded a special place. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live. The Glorious Qur’an says:

“…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:32]

Such is the value of a single human life, that the Qur’an equates the taking of even one human life unjustly, with killing all of humanity. Thus, the Qur’an prohibits homicide in clear terms. The taking of a criminal’s life by the state in order to administer justice is required to uphold the rule of law, and the peace and security of the society. Only a proper and competent court can decide whether an individual has forfeited his right to life by disregarding the right to life and peace of other human beings.

ETHICS OF WAR

Even in a state of war, Islam enjoins that one deals with the enemy nobly on the battlefield. Islam has drawn a clear line of distinction between the combatants and the non-combatants of the enemy country. As far as the non-combatant population is concerned such as women, children, the old and the infirm, etc., the instructions of the Prophet are as follows: "Do not kill any old person, any child or any woman"[1]. "Do not kill the monks in monasteries" or "Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship."[2] During a war, the Prophet saw the corpse of a woman lying on the ground and observed: "She was not fighting. How then she came to be killed?" Thus non-combatants are guaranteed security of life even if their state is at war with an Islamic state.

JIHAD

While Islam in general is misunderstood in the western world, perhaps no other Islamic term evokes such strong reactions as the word ‘jihad’. The term ‘jihad’ has been much abused, to conjure up bizarre images of violent Muslims, forcing people to submit at the point of the sword. This myth was perpetuated throughout the centuries of mistrust during and after the Crusades. Unfortunately, it survives to this day.

The word Jihad comes from the root word jahada, which means to struggle. So jihad is literally an act of struggling. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said that the greatest jihad is to struggle with the insidious suggestions of one’s own soul. Thus jihad primarily refers to the inner struggle of being a person of virtue and submission to God in all aspects of life.

Secondarily, jihad refers to struggle against injustice. Islam, like many other religions, allows for armed self-defense, or retribution against tyranny, exploitation, and oppression. The Glorious Qur’an says:

“And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? - Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
[Al-Qur’an 4:75]

Thus Islam enjoins upon its believers to strive utmost, in purifying themselves, as well as in establishing peace and justice in the society. A Muslim can never be at rest when she sees injustice and oppression around her. As Martin Luther King Jr. said:

“We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people.”

Islam enjoins upon all Muslims to work actively to maintain the balance in which God created everything. However, regardless of how legitimate the cause may be, the Glorious Qur’an never condones the killing of innocent people. Terrorizing the civilian population can never be termed as jihad and can never be reconciled with the teachings of Islam.

HISTORY OF TOLERANCE

Even Western scholars have repudiated the myth of Muslims coercing others to convert. The great historian De Lacy O'Leary wrote:

"History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims, sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated."[3]

Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up until they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan all have significant Christian and/or Jewish populations.

This is not surprising to a Muslim, for his faith prohibits him from forcing others to see his point of view. The Glorious Qur’an says:

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.”
[Al-Qur’an 2:256]

ISLAM - THE GREAT UNIFIER

Far from being a militant dogma, Islam is a way of life that transcends race and ethnicity. The Glorious Qur’an repeatedly reminds us of our common origin:

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”
[Al-Qur’an 49:13]

Thus, it is the universality of its teachings that makes Islam the fastest growing religion in the world. In a world full of conflicts and deep schisms between human beings, a world that is threatened with terrorism, perpetrated by individuals and states, Islam is a beacon of light that offers hope for the future.
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[1] Narrated in the collection of traditions of Abu Dawud
[2] Narrated in the Musnad of Imam Ibn Hanbal
[3] Islam At Crossroads, London, 1923, page 8
 

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langeweile said:
OR for guys that vote conservative...
Nope... I stay out of these threads as much as possible..

I read them but don't post often as some of the people in here are far too radical (both ways) for me :)
 

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Sorry man I'm a member of the TV generation (and have something of a life), and so can't read your post any time soon.

I do think that your earlier post in response to me displays your remarkable ability to use big words. Wow you're great at that, it's almost an adequate substitute for the ability to think clearly and make a decision about what's right.

OK the insult probably isn't fair, but I'm not impressed with your big words. There is no moral equivalency between the followers of Osama and the followers of the Shrub, and no big word will convince me otherwise, except maybe

"antiinterdenominationalistically".

That's a big one!:D
 

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Big Words

Let Maxweber and all the navel gazing liberals have their fun. They seem to think that their use of really big expensive sounding words makes them important. In a way it does but only with their own kind. I'll really piss them off my reminding the group of Churchills advise about word size. Small words move men. No matter how long a string of multi-syllable tripe you cobble together it is still just tripe when based on your corrupt foundation.

Still waiting for that comprehensive list of the last 800 years of significant muslim contributions to manlind that all you fifth columnists alude to but don't deliver. Islam does seem to be based on envy and the hope that by attacking Western values they can somehow divert attention from the fact that they've done jack shit.
 

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LancsLad said:
Let Maxweber and all the navel gazing liberals have their fun. They seem to think that their use of really big expensive sounding words makes them important. In a way it does but only with their own kind. I'll really piss them off my reminding the group of Churchills advise about word size. Small words move men. No matter how long a string of multi-syllable tripe you cobble together it is still just tripe when based on your corrupt foundation.

Still waiting for that comprehensive list of the last 800 years of significant muslim contributions to manlind that all you fifth columnists alude to but don't deliver. Islam does seem to be based on envy and the hope that by attacking Western values they can somehow divert attention from the fact that they've done jack shit.
well said, although I would argue that the Islamic world has given the world some things i.e. suicide bombings, beheadings, and other terrorist acts... you have to give them credit where credit is due.
 
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