Today, June 4th is the anniversary of the Tiananmen square incident where china's military quashed and killed students for protesting for democracy. I think this is a good time to reflect and be thankful that we can all come to a forum like this and post our opinions without fear of reprisal. We live in such a free country that we take it for granted. Their are countries in the world where you and the girls would be killed if the cops found you in a strip club. Im glad i dont live in one of those countries, because i certainly do enjoy a good strip club.
Tiananmen Square anniversary
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interesting story about my school (York U) connecting to Tiananmen square. to honour the murderd students the school had a large statue made in the colour white to represent a shroud. years later to represent the golden aniversary of the school, they painted the statue gold, representing the incompetence of York U.
i used to go to york u and remember that statue in the student centre you speak of gramage. Thats refreshing that someone as young as you knows about Tiananmen square (it happened in 1989). But why do you say painting the statue gold represtent the incompetence of york?
that they defaced a monument to democracy as a way to celebrate their school. sounds incompetent to me. And while I appreciate the compliment, I must admit I know very little about T square as far as specifics. But I know what they were protesting for and why they were silenced and thats enough for me.
are you sure about that story? the student centre and that statue are run by the YFS, Actually there is a plaque on the statue saying who donated the statue and what it is for. as you know the yfs are seen as radical left wingers and i doubt the yfs would let the school do this. Your story sounds like a campus myth and to tell you the truth i hope it is. I was at York 4 years ago and remember it as gold. But in the spirit of freedom, someone could do that to the statue (no matter how stupid) without fear of being killed and that i guess i somehting to be thankful for.
it all has to do with money. Everytime chretien goes to china there are protests about human rights, chretien says he will "bring up" the issue of human rights, but we all know that doesnt mean a thing. If a smaller country did the same thing china did there would be sanctions and possibly a military response. China is so powerful militarily and economically that no country in the world is going to say anything to them. Canada continues to trade with china just to make profit.
i still cant believe that china got the olymipcs since the olympic movement is supossed to be about humanity.
The revolt by students in Tiananmen square was qushed with such force, it will take years before another revolt comes, but this time the response from the rest of the world would hopefully be different.
i still cant believe that china got the olymipcs since the olympic movement is supossed to be about humanity.
The revolt by students in Tiananmen square was qushed with such force, it will take years before another revolt comes, but this time the response from the rest of the world would hopefully be different.
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The Olympics are about humanity? It's an utopian world you live in Johnny.
The world has proven over and over ad nauseum that what happened at Tiananmen Square is irrelevant. Big Business needs oppressive nations like TPR of China to remain prosperous. The market is everything and the lives of a few thousand troublesome students is a trifling price to pay to maintain a healthy profit margin. I know it sounds cold but that's the way it is.
The world has proven over and over ad nauseum that what happened at Tiananmen Square is irrelevant. Big Business needs oppressive nations like TPR of China to remain prosperous. The market is everything and the lives of a few thousand troublesome students is a trifling price to pay to maintain a healthy profit margin. I know it sounds cold but that's the way it is.
Freedom vs Evil..
Johnny makes a good point, just look at "the gulf war" and "operation enduring freedom"... the world has no problem fighting little countries that are doing wrong (very little chance of reprisal), but to take on China it would be very messy and quite possibly nuke's would get used. The chinese army alone is quite huge.....
Evil can not be condoned anywhere or we all loose eventually...
"All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing". I forget who said this but it's very true.
If the world truly wanted to change China it would sanction, embargo, blockade, or whatever it took. But, the price would be very high and I don't think the world is ready to pay it right now.
"No man can be free unless all men are free" - unknown
Johnny makes a good point, just look at "the gulf war" and "operation enduring freedom"... the world has no problem fighting little countries that are doing wrong (very little chance of reprisal), but to take on China it would be very messy and quite possibly nuke's would get used. The chinese army alone is quite huge.....
Evil can not be condoned anywhere or we all loose eventually...
"All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing". I forget who said this but it's very true.
If the world truly wanted to change China it would sanction, embargo, blockade, or whatever it took. But, the price would be very high and I don't think the world is ready to pay it right now.
"No man can be free unless all men are free" - unknown
do you think they dont give a damn about democracy anymore? or are they too afraid for their lives to speak out about it? there are still underground movements related to the tiananmen square incident, you just dont hear about them because if the chinese government found them they would kill them.
As a deterent the chinese govt. fills stadiums and has public executions to make an example for others.
some of the students involved in the protest may have assimilated into society, but that happens in most countries, such as the hippies of north america.
As a deterent the chinese govt. fills stadiums and has public executions to make an example for others.
some of the students involved in the protest may have assimilated into society, but that happens in most countries, such as the hippies of north america.
"as for Tibet, it was a part of China early in the previous dynasty...." - Joel
Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were also occupied by Russia for the entire 19th century. That did not make a subsequent occupation by the Soviet Union in the 20th century right. Tibetans are just as much opposed to being occupied by China as the Balts were opposed to being occupied by the Soviet Union.
Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were also occupied by Russia for the entire 19th century. That did not make a subsequent occupation by the Soviet Union in the 20th century right. Tibetans are just as much opposed to being occupied by China as the Balts were opposed to being occupied by the Soviet Union.
