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thunder0702

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From Cathy Young at the Boston Globe



August 18, 2004


Border Buffoonery

New border controls test limits of intrusiveness

Cathy Young






In this brave new world of global terrorism, the issue of reliable border control has acquired a new urgency. Yet there are also well-founded concerns that in the effort to keep out malefactors we will sacrifice so many of our liberties and alienate so many people around the world that the terrorists, to use a well-worn phrase, will indeed have won.

The debate on safety vs. privacy, particularly in airline travel, has been raging for years, ever since the airports first installed metal detectors and luggage screening. Today, this controversy focuses on biometric screening at borders—digital photos, fingerprinting, and iris scans. Legislation passed by Congress in the wake of the September 11 attacks requires visitors from countries whose citizens can enter the United States without a visa to have biometric passports which include fingerprints and iris identification features. (The deadline for implementing such passports has recently been extended by a year.) Since January, all visa-holders arriving at US airports are also required to be photographed and fingerprinted upon entry. Many denounce these measures as not only cumbersome but humiliating; others see them as an unfortunate necessity.

This conflict is not easily resolved—indeed, it probably can't be resolved at all. Despite my generally libertarian leanings, I do not get Orwellian jitters at the idea of biometric screening; all in all, having a machine scan my retina seems less intrusive than having an airport worker poke around the contents of my purse. I understand that these days, keeping people from entering the country with fake passports may be a matter of life and death.

What's far more troubling is that some measures adopted in the name of homeland security have the effect of burdening or even harassing foreign visitors without doing anything to enhance our safety.

For instance: In many countries, such as England, underage children currently travel abroad on their parents' passports. Now, the Department of Homeland Security has decided that every person entering the United States must have a separate passport regardless of age, starting on October 26. Travel agents in Europe are concerned that many travelers with children, unaware of the new rules, may fly to the United States only to be turned away at the border.

Can anyone explain what this requirement—which, in addition to the inconvenience, will impose extra financial costs on travelers—has to do with fighting terrorism? Has there been a rash of cases of middle-class British couples smuggling in Al Qaeda operatives disguised as their 12-year-old children? Can we all sleep easier now that we know we're safe from terrorist toddlers? What next? Special screening for terrorist pets?

Another major threat, apparently, comes from reporters and writers. Since May 2003, when the Department of Homeland Security took over immigration and border control, more than a dozen foreign journalists have been detained at the border and deported. They ran afoul of a requirement, virtually never enforced before, that journalists entering this country have a special "I visa" (I stands for information) even if they come from countries that have visa waiver agreements with the United States.

Elena Lappin, a freelance British journalist who has previously made several trips to the United States without a visa and had never had any trouble at the border, was one of the deportees. After being stopped at the Los Angeles International Airport, Lappin was interrogated for four hours, body-searched, fingerprinted, and then taken in handcuffs to a detention center—where she spent the night in a cell with no bed or chair and with a toilet in full view of anyone passing by—before being sent back to London. Lapin writes that when she reapplied for a visa, she was quizzed about whom she was going to interview in the United States, what she was writing about, and even what fee she would be paid for her article.

There is a lot of anti-Americanism around the world right now. Much of it is based on fear of American power, intolerance toward political and cultural differences, and prejudices and stereotypes about American society. Yet sometimes, our own behavior contributes to the "ugly American" stereotype. Our policies should not be driven by the desire to make everyone like us, but needlessly antagonizing the world is not a good idea either. Of course there are those, at home and abroad, who will denounce the United States as a paranoid bully for striking at terrorists and dictators. But do we want to live up to that label by picking on journalists and children?
 

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We are all of us creating this world we live in moment by moment by the choices that we make daily. The current climate of fear in the US does nothing but create more things/events of which to be afraid. Clamping down on terror breeds more terrorists. No one is to blame for this and the fear felt is quite understandable yet I do see that it is up to individuals, not nations, to feel this fear and to go on living. Stories such as the one above are inevitable in this climate. Fear breeds irrational action and then feeds upon its own results. This is why/how terrorism works and it is really quite effective. The terrorist don't really have to do much these days as we are all doing it to ourselves by now.My suggestion is to identify something in your life that scares you and to then go out and experience it. If dying scares you then perhaps it is worth taking some time to investigate death. Read about it, meditate upon it-you can even lie down on the floor in a "death position" and practice it. It may surprise you what you find.

In any event-don't let the fear win with out really taking a look at what it actually is.
 

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IF the US brings biometric screening to their border crossings I will seriously consider not travelling there with my family. It is intrusive and just another way for big brother to track you.

I believe that the terrorists have already won. All the fancy gadgets and gimmickry in the world will not stop terrorrism. It is a psychosis that cannot be detected by a man nor machine.

If I as a terrorist have so much hate in me that I am willing to sacrifice myself to put fear in so many others, how are you going to screen for that. Suicide is only committed by the brave or the insane. It all depends on what your cause is.

We think that SARS hurt terrorism in Toronto? Terrorism is going to make us all protectionists. We will build our walls and lose touch with humanity.

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thunder0702 said:


There is a lot of anti-Americanism around the world right now. Much of it is based on fear of American power, intolerance toward political and cultural differences, and prejudices and stereotypes about American society. Yet sometimes, our own behavior contributes to the "ugly American" stereotype.
No shit Sherlock.
 

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Suicide is only committed by the brave or the insane. It all depends on what your cause is.
Actually it's the insane, brainwashed, or COWARDS.

Q
 

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The requirement for separate chidrens passports has been in the works for several years prior to 9-11. Trying to stop child abductions is the main reason, it got lumped into the act by some empire builder in the civil service.

The statement that terrorism has already won is wrong. this type of war fare is called low intensity conflict. Terror sabotage, general argavation. These are right out of Mao's Little REd Book, if you can find a translation you should read it .

This type of war will not win against an informed steadfast opposition. It will not be pretty to stop it but it can be done.

Some of the Palistinian leaders have said that suicide bombers are the only methode of attack that they have left against the western powers.

It is interesting to note that the same leaders don't have any of their family members strapping on the underwear by Dupont.

The biggest factor in this type of war is the fact that it has changed our way of life. Now there you have to be at the airport 3 hours ahead of your flight, there are extra security measures ( I have had my shoes inspected in Chicago..........poor bastard will never be the same) It takes weeks or months to get a passport, you wonder if the middle eastern gentleman with the brief case on your flight is actually a businessman.


If you change your life the terrorist win.. don't change your life.
 

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While I understand the desire to verify that a person entering our country is who they say they are I think we are making too much of this. I agree with the author - I live such a boring life that if the government has the time to track where I go, go for it. What is being missed in all of this is that a million people are walking thru a fence in Southern California and entering the US with no process at all, and the Democrats in California wanted to give them drivers licenses……

This is the biggest threat we face, that anything or anyone can be smuggled into the US thru Mexico.

OTB
 
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