The Titanic, swapped?

[james t kirk]

You are of course correct that there were only three ships not four in the class. Also that in terms of engineering the Cunard ships were superior being driven by high pressure steam turbines.

The White Star ships were, however, larger and in civilian services more luxurious. White Star deliberately opted for a hybrid system of reciprocating engines driving the outboard propellers and a low-pressure turbine driving the center propeller. This produced less vibration for the luxurious passenger experience upon which White Star prided itself.

Actually the opposite

Turbines produce less vibration than reciprocating engines.

Turbines just spin.

It was thought that reciprocating engines were more reliable and less costly to repair and did not require such massive high pressure Plumbing Engineering

 

[Aardvark154]

^ Hmm, I'm sure that I read in some book or historical magazine that this was their reason for choosing not to go with high pressure steam turbines. That, however, doesn't mean that the reasoning regarding turbines is true.

 

[IM469]

It was all Obama's fault.

Never sank - just the crooked media making up lies.

 

[GameBoy27]

All I know is I wish Céline Dion was on it.

 

[great bear]

Oh Fuck, that is funny!!!!!!!!!

 

[GPIDEAL]

The steel of the Titanic was the best available at the time. There has been more conspiracy theories about the steel and rivets in particular being substandard and it's all been prooven to be nonsense.

The steel used in its construction would not compare to modern steels. I'm going to guess it was probably 36 ksi steel back then compared to 50 ksi steel now. Also, modern steels can be made tough to resist cracking, but cracking and toughness is much more critical in cold temperatures, like - 20 C and below. Ships are in water and water is above 0 C.

Titanic was designed to stay afloat with her first 4 compartments flooded. The Collision with the iceberg resulted in her first 6 compartments being flooded and from there it was a mathematical certainty that she was doomed. The water simply poured over the tops of the water tight bulkheads as the ship dropped down at the bow under the weight of the water.

No conspiracy theory James. I saw it on a documentary years ago which seemed pretty factual.

Just surfed and found this website that talks about substandard steel with respect to the rivets which used more slag in their manufacture. http://www.materialstoday.com/metals-alloys/news/what-really-sank-the-titanic/

The source of this poor quality material became clearer when the Harland and Wolff meeting minutes were examined, and it was seen that pressure to finish Titanic caused the company to order wrought iron that was one level below that generally specified for rivets and they had to use suppliers previously uncertified for this application.

That documentary also discussed how you described the water flooding over the tops of the water-tight bulkheads. I wish I could remember the title of the doc but it was years ago.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Remember that these four sister ships were at the cutting edge of technology at the time -- in terms both of size and metallurgy.

So was the Challenger Shuttle but alas Murphy's Law if not human ineptitude or negligence.

 

[GPIDEAL]

A few other bad steel-rivet articles backed by archived minutes, not conjecture. Of course, it's not the only cause for the sinking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...rivets-crucial-cascade-events-sank-liner.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/science/15titanic.html

http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/technol...f-materials-made-titanic-more-vulnerable.html

 

[Aardvark154]

So was the Challenger Shuttle but alas Murphy's Law if not human ineptitude or negligence.

Indeed my point.

 

[Hugh G. Rekshun]

3 Sister ships, not 4

Olympic
Titanic
Britannic ...

Not to imply that there was any kind of secret conspiracy or anything sinister about it, but now it just seems so unbelievably short-sighted and unfortunate that RMS Olympic was simply sold for scrap and demolished. I suppose it was a little more understandable because it happened in the 1930s during The Depression. But now it doesn't take much imagination to see how valuable it would have been as a tourist attraction and piece of history, as a nearly identical ship to Titanic.

There may be a Titanic museum in Niagara Falls (Ont.) as soon as 2018, on the site of the old arena.
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/2017/01/19/former-arena-to-demolished-for-titanic-museum

I'm not sure there's any real connection between the Titanic and Niagara Falls, but if Las Vegas, Branson Missouri, and Pigeon Forge Tennessee can have Titanic museums, why not Niagara Falls? And the Niagara one looks like it won't have a silly iceberg beside it.

 

[huckfinn]

Not to imply that there was any kind of secret conspiracy or anything sinister about it, but now it just seems so unbelievably short-sighted and unfortunate that RMS Olympic was simply sold for scrap and demolished. I suppose it was a little more understandable because it happened in the 1930s during The Depression. But now it doesn't take much imagination to see how valuable it would have been as a tourist attraction and piece of history, as a nearly identical ship to Titanic.

Very true......but I think the Titanic's story got more attention as the decades passed. People closer to the time of the tragedy may not have wanted to be relive it.....and I'm certain it would be bad publicity.

 

[Terminator2000]

Then theres the fact that a captain of a ship saw the flares shooting out from the sinking titanic from a distance away and ignored it cos he decided its probably nothing.

 

[Aardvark154]

The Encyclopedia Titanica concludes that the Californian which was stuck in ice at the time would have taken between an hour, and an hour and a half to have arrived. In either event the Titanic would have sunk by the time she arrived, hence although she might have saved some people it was impossible for her to have saved most let alone all of those who died.

It should be noted that the Rockets were not fired until almost an hour after the Titanic had struck the iceberg.


https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/californian-incident.html