The Star is Harsh on Harper

[TQM]

Here: http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/431908

And here: http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/433922

And here: http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/433910

And here: http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/433912

Could add a bunch of other Star columns, but I'm getting tired. But I should add even the Globe and Mail and Preston Manning think Harper worth giving a kick:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080529.wcomartin29/BNStory/National

 

[train]

No kidding Einstein.... I see you have a firm grasp of the obvious.

The Star is the local Liberal and NDP mouthpiece. Battles with the trashy pro-Consevative Sun as being the most biased piece of jounalistic garbage out there.

 

[TQM]

you're expecting too much

bbking.

train thought I was trying to say something profound about the Star, and he was all too ready to ridicule me.

 

[LancsLad]

The star is so trashy that you can't even line a birdcage with it.


the birds complain as it's got too much sh*t in it already.




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[TQM]

ummmm....

Lancs - the G & M - even the National Post - they're saying the same thing on these issues. Now maybe they are all trashy.....

 

[LancsLad]

Lancs - the G & M - even the National Post - they're saying the same thing on these issues. Now maybe they are all trashy.....

The Star in general tone.


Even the star can print yesterdays weather correctly.


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[dcbogey]

Anyone with half a brain understands the political leanings of the Toronto papers. Having said that, feel free to shoot the messenger, it still doesn't change the facts. Harper has had more than his "fair" share of major blunders, almost all brought on as a result of his own style of government. Anyone that can't see that is looking through the rose coloured glasses.

 

[train]

So explain the Manning piece



bbk

Doesn't change the fact that there is substantial editorial bias in the Star and Sun.

You people really should stop believeing everything you read just because it's in print. I think you tend to believe only the stuff that supports your own pre-existing predjudices.

Reminds me of the following:

A man was walking through the Toronto Zoo when he heard terrible screaming near the lion exhibit. He rushed over and to his horror saw that a lion had hold of a little girl in his jaws and was pulling her over the barrier. The man quickly jumped the moat, scaled the barrier and confronted the lion jumping up and down and waving his arms. No matter how much he yelled and screamed the lion wouldn't drop the little girl. Finally the man punched the lion squarely in the nose. The lion was stunned and confused and dropped the girl. The man quickly scooped her up and climbed back out of the lion exhibit.

A wotness immediately came to their aid and once it was established that the little girl would survive turned to the man and said " I have never seen anything so brave. I'm a reporter and would like to write about this in the newspaper. Can you tell me a little about yourself and how you came to be so brave. What to you do?"

The man answered " It was just something that had to be done anyone would have done the same. "

"No, it really was an extraordinary feet. Tell me what you do ?"

" Ok if you insist, I'm a Conservative MP from Alberta vising Toronto for a few days. "


The next day the Toronto Star headlines read _

HARPER THUG ASSAULTS AFRICAN , DENYING HIM A MEAL

 

[slowandeasy]

Look Train, editorial boards have always had an ideological bias including being neutral ... it's standard for media to appeal to a segment of customers. The Sun's and National Post editorial bias has always tilted conservative while the Star has tilted Liberal ... Now magazine in Toronto tilts NDP. The Globe and Mail attempts to be neutral however that bias tilts depending on the current editor.

bbk

My folly over the years has been to think that a Newspaper is supposed to be about telling the "News". And "journalist" were supposed to cover the the story without bias.

 

[y2kmark]

Folly indeed ...

My folly over the years has been to think that a Newspaper is supposed to be about telling the "News". And "journalist" were supposed to cover the the story without bias.

Certainly what they teach in journalism school, but not usually what sells papers.

 

[train]

Bias in the Toronto papers of course ... be an intelligent voter and make up your own mind.

bbk

Exactly my point....perhaps you should follow your own advice

 

[slowandeasy]

Certainly what they teach in journalism school, but not usually what sells papers.

True enough.. how come we still are at the mercy of "freedom of the press"

 

[train]

I have and the conservative message sucks... lol


bbk

If you really believe that , that's fine as long as you didn't develop your opinion from reading the Star.

 

[train]

... your not reading my posts ... and I could say the same about you. The other problem Conservatives have is that they believe the spin out of the PMO ... in my entire career in politics I never have been happier than Manning's first person impression on Harper ... clearly the founder of the Reform Party has problems with Harper and his message.


bbk

I didn't mean to make this a campaign platform for you BB

As you know Harper is safe as long as Dion is around.

 

[enduser1]

My folly over the years has been to think that a Newspaper is supposed to be about telling the "News". And "journalist" were supposed to cover the the story without bias.

LOL,

That old style of journalism is out the window. FOX news proved that.

EU

 

[slowandeasy]

LOL,
That old style of journalism is out the window. FOX news proved that.
EU

What angers me is that journalism has gotten as sleazy as lawyers, and yet they both yammer on (is that a word? yammer not on) about ethical standards etc...

I think that "newspapers" or "Television news reports or shows" should be subject to truth in advertising laws!!! or some such thing...

So the Toronto Star should be forced to include a disclaimer in its log..

THE TORONTO STAR
Canadas largest circulation with a liberal party bias

News reporters on TV should have a disclaimer like:
"The following news program has a conservative bias because our owner was awared the rights to this station when he donated $2,000,000 to the Conservative Party of Canada. As you can imagine we don't want to bite the hand that feeds us"

 

[johnhenrygalt]

LOL,

That old style of journalism is out the window. FOX news proved that.

EU

What "old style" journalism? The journalism of the 1800s and early 1900s when papers actually had formal party affiliations? When it was not uncommon for a newspaper man to be standing for office and "reporting" on his own campaign?

 

[johnhenrygalt]

Considering the past, Conservatives have a tendency to eat their own ...

A habit that the Liberals have picked up on. Chretien was only the most successful leader at the polls since PM King and the palace coup forced him to resign.

 

[enduser1]

What "old style" journalism? The journalism of the 1800s and early 1900s when papers actually had formal party affiliations? When it was not uncommon for a newspaper man to be standing for office and "reporting" on his own campaign?

Hi,

I have no problem with news coverage that has a party affiliation. What I have an huge problem with is "Fair & Balanced" coverage that is neither "Fair nor balanced".

The Toronto Star, bills it self as a "Mainstram" kinda newspaper. It is not mainstream. It is a left wing environmentalist newspaper. The Toronto Star represents the views of as broad a range of readers as it can, and it certainly appeals to the urban Torontonian. But, "majority" is not the same as mainstream.

EU

The National Post at least admits it is right wing.

 

[johnhenrygalt]

..It should be noted that while the public may have been aware of tensions between Trudeau and Turner or even Turner and Chretien ... those two power struggles within the party never leaped forward to the general public.

And those two power struggles were 20 and 30 years ago.

All the Conservative battles I've mentioned in a previous post are direct attacks waged in the media.

And some of those go back over 40 years. Alot of the guys involved in the Diefenbaker and the Stanfield shenanigans are dead.

The current Liberal Party has picked up the habit of fighting in public. Who gives a shit how they settled things a generation ago?