The Real David Miller.........exposed.

[Tiger Williams]

The obviously left-leaning Star has a great article today by Rosie DiManno that pretty much sums up the sleazy behaviour by our Mayor in the ousting of Fantino.
This from a paper that praised and hyped him during the campaign.
The petal seems to have fallen from the rose.
Regardless of what side of the Fantino fence you're on........it's an informative read.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...318&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

The obviously left-leaning Star has a great article today by Rosie DiManno that pretty much sums up the sleazy behaviour by our Mayor in the ousting of Fantino.
This from a paper that praised and hyped him during the campaign.
The petal seems to have fallen from the rose.
Regardless of what side of the Fantino fence you're on........it's an informative read.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...318&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

Miller did the right thing. Fantino continually assumed he could cure his dirty force from the inside. Screw that. I'll take Miller's ethics over Fantino's quiet b.s. any day.

 

[glaeken]

The "article" sums up nothing about the entire situation. Miss DiManno gets about halfway through her tirade before she even mentions anything resembling poor behaviour on Miller's part. Just because he agrees with the union does not mean there is any collusion between them or that Miller is using their lack of support for Fantino for his own agenda. Even the bitterest of enemies will sometimes agree.

Now I think Fantino should stay so I don't agree with what Miller is doing but I also don't agree with Miss DiManno's take on Miller's actions or her "conspiracy theory". I think she's been watching too much X-Files.

Are we so jaded that we can't conceive that a polititian may do something that's unpopular because he/she genuinely believes that it's in the public's best interest and not for some nefarious reason or because of incompetence?

 

[zydeco]

IMHO Rosie Dimanno easily ranks among the least skilled/intelligent journalists out there. Her articles rarely cut to the real heart of a given issue. She very rarely actually - "gets it".

 

[Ranger68]

Hear hear. DiManno's a self-aggrandizing punk.
I appreciate having a mayor I don't have to be embarrassed about - for once.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Hear hear. DiManno's a self-aggrandizing punk.
I appreciate having a mayor I don't have to be embarrassed about - for once.

This entire situation is embarrassing.

The City and the Police Services Board has every right not to extend the contract of the Police Chief. I was of the opinion that given the current climate in the Police Force that this was probably the best route to go. That being said, the manner in which it was done has given rise to question about the Police Services Board behaves that needs to be answered. The Mayor’s role in this mess is being exaggerated in my opinion but he himself does nothing to help his situation either.

Ranger69 is right about DiManno. She is full of herself.

 

[oldjones]

Gotta say Rosie's article was as clear as mud. While she obviously didn't like what was going on, she filled up half a newspaper page not saying at all what was wrong about it. Amazing.

Previous Police Board and Chief agree on five year contract
New Mayor chooses not to sit on Police Board
Chief asks new police Board for a two year extension of his contract
Police Board chooses not to extend Chief's contract
Mayor says it's the Board's decision
Some Councillors ignore rules and try to force debate on Police Board matter
Mayor, and 60% of Council, say do it properly or not at all, and this ain't proper
Police union says Chief should go (consistent with their stand 3-4 years ago)
Mayor says, "The union obviously believes in civilian oversight"

An entirely unobjectionable history, though anyone who wants is entitled to can wish a different end result. Rosie's worst accusation was that Miller's remark about the union was brown-nosing, which means she completely missed the pretty heavy-handed irony in it.
What stumps me is: where's the actual "look what a great cop and Chief Julian is" evidence? All we're hearing—and Rosie's a fine example—is "Miller's a Machiavelli", when all that's really happening is the calendar's bringing Departure day closer, just as Mel and Julian and Norm and Miller and McConnel and everyone else involved decided.

 

[Tiger Williams]

Whether or not any of us personally like Rosie DiManno or enjoy her writing style is irrelevant here. So is a critique of her journalistic abilities.
She quite clearly spelled out chronilogically what has happened during this mess. (if anyone can factually dispute anything she wrote then please enlighten the rest of us)

Hear hear. DiManno's a self-aggrandizing punk.
I appreciate having a mayor I don't have to be embarrassed about - for once.

The only punk in all of this is Miller himself. (you can throw in a little 'bitch' too)
He came in all high and mighty, promising change and transparency.
What we have received instead is a guy that puts others in place to do his dirty work, and then doesn't have the balls to own up to his own role in it.
If you like him so much, enjoy it while you can. The next election this clown is history.
I too would appreciate having a Mayor that I don't have to be embarrassed about. The last one that accomplished that was David Crombie, and that was 30 years ago.
Let's see.......John Sewell..........Art Eggleton.............Barbara Hall..........Mel.............and now David Miller.
Pathetic.

 

[oldjones]

There was a time when people believed personal abuse like: clown, bitch, punk and the like had no place in intelligent discussions.

 

[oldjones]

Tiger, perhaps you could clarify:

What we have received instead is a guy that puts others in place to do his dirty work, and then doesn't have the balls to own up to his own role in it.

Obviously you believe something went on behind the scenes, other than what we all saw/heard/read in the minutes, reports and media (which would be the 'transparency' you alluded to) What's your evidence for it and what was it exactly?

 

[Ranger68]

There was a time when people believed personal abuse like: clown, bitch, punk and the like had no place in intelligent discussions.

The first line of DiManno's piece:
"Does that Judas kiss come with any tongue, I wonder, a wet and orifice-probing slurp from the Toronto police union to Mayor David Miller?"

So, I guess you agree with the rest of us that DiManno's articles fall short of intelligent discussion.

Good to know.

 

[Ranger68]

DiManno herself says: "Miller, who elected not (yet) to take the board seat his office allows, insists he didn't directly interfere in the board's decision."

The ENTIRE remainder of her argument is based upon her belief that this is a lie.

Wow. Thrilling.

LOL

 

[Tiger Williams]

There was a time when people believed personal abuse like: clown, bitch, punk and the like had no place in intelligent discussions.

Was that when folks were driving around in Edsels, OJ?
Sorry.............before my time.
If the fedora fits.................

 

[zydeco]

I have to disagree with you Tiger. Critique of her journalistic abilities are DIRECTLY relevant - and in my opinion she has little or none.

 

[Ranger68]

Yes, evidently critique of DiManno's journalistic abilities aren't relevant, but this clearly doesn't apply to his own personal attacks on Miller.

 

[Tiger Williams]

Tiger, perhaps you could clarify: Obviously you believe something went on behind the scenes, other than what we all saw/heard/read in the minutes, reports and media (which would be the 'transparency' you alluded to) What's your evidence for it and what was it exactly?

Anybody that's actually followed this fiasco impartially from day one
(as opposed to just blindly believing the rot coming from the mouth of the mayor) realizes that his appointment of Pam McConnell to the Police Services Board was designed for one reason only: to ensure that his hatchet work was carried out while his hands would appear to the naive to be blood-free.
How convenient for him to choose not to be on the PSB while the dirty deed was done.............and then decide to be on the new PSB in the fall allowing him to have input and clout as far as choosing the new Chief goes.
I've got no problem whatsoever with the Mayor having a voice in a decision such as this. What I do find more than a little odious is the fact he is hiding behind others while claiming he had nothing to do with it. Torontonians deserve to be treated with a little more respect than that.
Anybody that actually thinks his hands are clean in all this probably also think that Tomas Kaberle should have won the Norris this year.

 

[Tiger Williams]

DiManno herself says: "Miller, who elected not (yet) to take the board seat his office allows, insists he didn't directly interfere in the board's decision."
The ENTIRE remainder of her argument is based upon her belief that this is a lie.

She's got lots of company Ranger.
(the gullible and naive not withstanding. lol)

 

[Tiger Williams]

I have to disagree with you Tiger. Critique of her journalistic abilities are DIRECTLY relevant - and in my opinion she has little or none.

No problem with you and I disagreeing Zydeco.
To me all she did was state the facts.
You don't have to be Woodward or Bernstein to do that.
Like I said earlier...........if she has stated anything that anyone here can factually dispute I would love to be enlightened.

 

[Tiger Williams]

Yes, evidently critique of DiManno's journalistic abilities aren't relevant, but this clearly doesn't apply to his own personal attacks on Miller.

Pretty rich stuff coming from a guy that called DiManno a "self-aggrandizing punk" earlier in this thread. lol

 

[oldjones]

Anybody that's actually followed this fiasco impartially from day one
(as opposed to just blindly believing the rot coming from the mouth of the mayor) realizes that his appointment of Pam McConnell to the Police Services Board was designed for one reason only: to ensure that his hatchet work was carried out while his hands would appear to the naive to be blood-free.
How convenient for him to choose not to be on the PSB while the dirty deed was done.............and then decide to be on the new PSB in the fall allowing him to have input and clout as far as choosing the new Chief goes.
I've got no problem whatsoever with the Mayor having a voice in a decision such as this. What I do find more than a little odious is the fact he is hiding behind others while claiming he had nothing to do with it. Torontonians deserve to be treated with a little more respect than that.
Anybody that actually thinks his hands are clean in all this probably also think that Tomas Kaberle should have won the Norris this year.

So if the Mayor had taken the seat on the Board and all else had happened just as it has, you'd be happy?
You're still claiming an extraordinary insight into Miller's thought processes and motives, and then denouncing behaviour that could be quite innocent, or at least unremarkably ordinary: Mayor hasn't time to sit on every committee, Mayor (although it's actually Council) has someone fill the seat. Mayor may or may not discuss with Board member—you claim to know he did—and Board member happens to vote as Mayor—again you claim to know—might have hoped and wanted. Surely Tiger you must know this happens all the time. And always will, unless we seal every politician in their own bubble.
What is wrong, and what is the evidence that it is? If you just don't like it, go right ahead. But you need better than that and a buncha insults to get someone elected.