The poor innocent Lebonese (worth the read)

[Friends]

Those Poor, Innocent Lebanese
> By Irwin N. Graulich
> MichNews.com
> Aug 4, 2006
>
>
>
> Let me get this straight. You allow one of the largest terrorist
> organizations in the world to set up shop throughout your country. You
> permit them to completely take over the entire southern third of Lebanon
> and you claim to have seen nothing.
>
>
> You allow the terrorists to build sophisticated, fortified bunkers and you
> did not see any heavy equipment building them. You allow the Hezbollah
> terrorists to move into many of your towns and villages, including the
> complete takeover of one of the largest neighborhoods in Beirut, where
> they
> proceed to build numerous, complex command and control centers...and then
> you claim ignorance.
>
>
> You allow Hezbollah to store weapons, bombs and rockets in your basements.
> You turn a blind's eye when they carry arms into your restaurants, stores
> and buildings, yet you call yourself an "innocent civilian."
>
>
> You watch the Hezbollah parades with hundreds of thousands of participants
> including children screaming, "Jihad. Death to Israel, Jews and
> Americans,"
> burning American and Israeli flags, while goose-stepping soldiers with
> Nazi-like salutes receive your cheers--and all of you "innocent civilians"
> did not see a thing even though you were captured on videotape. All this,
> while Koffi Annan and much of the UN insist that "we should not believe
> our
> lying eyes about the innocent civilians."
>
>
> There are giant posters of the rubenesque terrorist leader, Hasan
> Nasrallah, all over Lebanon with headlines declaring the imminent
> destruction of Israel. Yet you choose to elect this terrorist party to
> your
> government--and all of the so called "innocent Lebanese" do not know
> anything about anything.
>
>
> Twenty thousand rockets and launchers are shipped into your country along
> with other military equipment by plane, truck and ship, and the government
> industrial complex knew absolutely nothing; and neither did all those
> "poor, innocent civilians" who are now crying.
>
>
> So you allow the "Devil" into your homes and into your lives; you take the
> Devil's money, food and medicine; you sleep with the Devil...and get a
> serious evil disease. And then you blame the Jews, of course! Well, there
> is no sympathy for the devil...or his helpers!
>
>
> The Lebanese "knowingly allowed (aka aided and abbetted)" murderous
> terrorists to proliferate in their sovereign nation. Like spoiled
> teenagers, they now refuse to take any responsibility. Of course there are
> some truly innocent civilians, but there were hundreds of thousands of
> beautiful German babies and mothers in Dresden and Berlin who were blown
> to
> bits. If an attack emanates from your country, the entire country is
> responsible. That is how life works and it is sometimes unfair.
>
>
> I hate when people lie to my face and expect me to believe their vile
> fabrications. Does the Muslim world really think that the vast majority of
> Americans are that foolish? Only the quislings at CNN like Larry King, Nic
> Robertson, Wolf Blitzer, et al will fall for this Joseph Goebbals-style
> propaganda.
>
>
> The confused, immoral left and their paper of record, The New York Times
> only see "innocent civilians throughout Lebanon." Europe, that moral
> bastion which gave birth to Nazism, will look at photos of men, women and
> children in despair, without putting the image into its proper context.
> Yet
> countries like Sweden, Switzerland and Ireland, who could not decide
> whether to support Hitler or Churchill during WWII, can drum up the moral
> authority to criticize Israel today. And leave it to Vichy, France 2006
> headed by Jaques "Petain" Chirac to condemn Israel's response.
>
>
> Seeing television snippets of wounded or dead Lebanese with people sitting
> on the ground crying and calling them all "innocent civilians" is the same
> as looking at a photograph of the armpit of Christie Brinkley and saying,
> "Here is the photo of a supermodel. Isn't she beautiful?" The armpit
> picture is only a part of the story. When human beings see babies or
> mothers hurting, no matter what, we feel the pain. If we saw baby pictures
> of Charles Manson, we would want to cuddle him.
>
>
> We cannot look at photos of so-called "innocent civilians" in a vacuum. It
> is important for all "moral, decent" human beings to realize that the
> compassion emotion is similar to the sex emotion. Often times, it
> interferes with truth, logic and morality.
>
>
> Listen up all you "Innocent Lebanese along with your innocent, Hezbollah
> supporting government." Do you want to know why your towns, villages and
> cities are smoldering? Do you want to know why 800,000 people are homeless
> and 600 are dead? Do you want to know why your infrastructure is
> devastated?
>
>
> The answer is..."That the Jews are simply not going to pack up their
> little
> valises and walk into gas chambers again. The Jews will not be taken from
> their homes and marched into the Mediterranean Sea by Nazis or
> Hezbollah-Hamas-Syrian-Iranian, Nazi-like sympathizers.
>
>
> The Jews in Israel or anywhere else are just not going to allow themselves
> to be shipped away like you dream about every day. Attention all radical
> Muslims throughout the entire world and Jacques Chirac. The Jews will not
> be walking into death camps or graves ever again, and if you dare try it,
> Qana, South Beirut, Tyre, Nabatiyeh, Bint Jbeil, Kounine, Beit Yahoun,
> Rashaya, Baalbek, Majdel Zoun, Ayt-a-Shab, etc. will all look a whole lot
> worse than Dresden and Berlin. And Tehran may become hotter than
> Hiroshima.
>
>
> Attention Lebanon--your country is smoldering because Jews are sick and
> tired of being murdered. You keep pushing those pathetic, weak, Torah
> studying Jews by using terrorism and kidnapping soldiers, and all, yes all
> of Lebanon will be smoldering.
>
>
> Listen very carefully enemies of Israel, because you are making a giant
> mistake. I urge any person that will be having dinner with Sayed Hassan
> Nesrallah, the big fat brave man hiding in his little rat hole while his
> fighters are being picked off like little olives on a tree, to make sure
> his life insurance is fully paid.
>
>
> Mr. hero Nesrallah is just a pimp for Iran, sending out his Hezbollah
> terrorist hookers to "screw the Jews." The amazing thing is that Iran is
> not an Arab country. They should not be involved in the Arab-Israeli
> conflict. They do not border Israel, so there is no Iranian territorial
> dispute where they claim, like everyone else, that Israel occupies their
> land. Yet, Ahmadinejad's (pronounced--"a mad dog on Jihad") hatred for
> Jews
> and Israel rivals that of Adolf Hitler.
>
>
> It is no wonder that the Iranian president feels this way since Israel is
> supreme in virtually every area--technically, militarily, scientifically,
> culturally, morally and religiously. Each attempt by macho Muslim/Arab
> countries to destroy Israel has been met with a totally devastating,
> humiliating defeat. Like Saddam, the skinny, little Ahmadinejad
> (pronounced
> "a mad dog on Jihad") aspires to be the big hero of the Muslim world.
>
>
> What Ahmadinejad (pronounced "a mad dog on Jihad") does not comprehend, is
> that Israel will not use a tongue depressor when they capture him and his
> associates. The truth be told that should Iran dare make one wrong move
> directly on Israel, then Israel will simply "Beat the Shiite out of them!"
>
>

 

[solitaria]

I knew as soon as I read the title it wouldn´t be worth the read. Basically the article was written by a Jew who thinks the holocaust justifies any and all action by Israel. It was so predictable that he would bring the Holocaust into his ramblings. Somehow in his incoherent thought process two wrongs make a right and that we should overlook every bad thing the Jews do because you know they had to endure the Holocaust at the hands of the Palestinians.. errr I mean Germans.

 

[basketcase]

Good. Using the "Jews manipulate the Holocaust" to ignore the message of the writer.

 

[DATYdude]

Well I guess this is one way to react.

It's really hard to tell what's going on with Iran, but on the surface it doesn't look good for anyone.

Doesn't look good for the Arab lives Iran is willing to sacrifice, doesn't look good for Israelis (Jews and Arabs) who could be the targets of an Iranian nuclear strike in 5 years or so, it doesn't look good for the residents of Tehran (and perhaps every other Iranian population centre, and perhaps some Arab ones like Damascus), who will be the targets of certain Israeli nuclear reprisals, and it doesn't look good for anyone who gets sick from the nuclear fallout.

The comparisons with Hitler and the Nazis from both sides are inaccurate and disrespectful to the real victims of the Nazis.

But solitaria, the quoted writer is NOT using the Holocaust to justify anything, he's saying "listen up, we and the world had plenty of notice of the last attempt to kill the Jews, and we and the world acted slowly where it acted at all. This time we're not taking the waning signs lightly and even if you're "only kidding" about your intentions to kill Jews (and it's not just Israel, Nasrallah has said Jews everywhere are a target), we're still going to take you very seriously."

So if the lesson of the Nazi Holocaust is "NEVER AGAIN", that lesson has two parts:

The lesson you would have the Jews (and the world) learn from the Nazi Holocaust is merely that since Jews were mistreated, we should be verycareful not mistreat others and not become in any way like the Nazis, well I say that this is only a small lesson to be learned (and you can debate all you want about whether we have learned that, I don't deny that many have not learned that lesson).

The larger part of that lesson for Jews is that NEVER AGAIN means that we can't take these threats against us lightly any more, that we have to have a powerful and autonomous country to fully control our destiny, because we can't and shouldn't need to trust the world to protect us (even the US, whose protection we are more than happy to have but which we know can be withdrawn at any time).

If you disagree with this larger lesson, I'd like to know why.

Do you not take Nasrallah or the Iranian leadership seriously?

 

[allaboutben]

I firmly believe these people are not innocent. If they dont like their leadership, start a revolution.

 

[solitaria]

Good. Using the "Jews manipulate the Holocaust" to ignore the message of the writer.

Sure. The writer is a fear monger. Whenever the Jews kill Arabs it is self-defense from another Holocaust and totally justifiable. ALWAYS it is!!!! Excuse me if I am not buying into that bullshit.

 

[DATYdude]

Nobody cares what buillshit you buy and what you won't. You're obviously in the bullshit market, since you're trying to sell your own:

Whenever the Jews kill Arabs it is self-defense from another Holocaust and totally justifiable. ALWAYS --- these words make it clear you're a whiner not a thinker.

Still, I was hoping that you would directly address my post.

 

[solitaria]

The lesson you would have the Jews (and the world) learn from the Nazi Holocaust is merely that since Jews were mistreated, we should be verycareful not mistreat others and not become in any way like the Nazis, well I say that this is only a small lesson to be learned (and you can debate all you want about whether we have learned that, I don't deny that many have not learned that lesson).

The lesson I would have the world learn from Nazi Germany is that the mass killing of another race can only happen in an environment of hatred, fear and igorance. The Jews were portrayed by Hitler as evil, morally inferior and a threat to the world and the existence of the Germans. What you have to realize is that most people will buy into the majority consensus and believe any threat is real if it is repeated enough times. Once you convince the average person their reality and way of life is threatened you don´t need to morally justify anything.

It seems the Jews have become like Nazi Germany. The Arabs don´t even have nuclear weapons but what happens if they GET THEM!! Oh MY GOD!!! The whole world would be destroyed!!! Nasrallah and the Iranian leadership are gonna get us!!! Now all of a sudden killing innocent Lebanese doesn´t seem to matter against such a huge evil that threatens us.

People are so easily manipulated it is a joke.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

It seems the Jews have become like Nazi Germany. The Arabs don´t even have nuclear weapons but what happens if they GET THEM!! Oh MY GOD!!! The whole world would be destroyed!!! Nasrallah and the Iranian leadership are gonna get us!!! Now all of a sudden killing innocent Lebanese doesn´t seem to matter against such a huge evil that threatens us.

Those who fight a jihad whose primary goal is to kill as many of the infidels as possible, should not have nuclear weapons. Quite frankly, Islamic extremists do not posess the responsibilty required for nukes.

People are so easily manipulated it is a joke.

It is indeed a joke, and a necessary condition for suicide bomber recruitment

 

[basketcase]

The lesson I would have the world learn from Nazi Germany is that the mass killing of another race can only happen in an environment of hatred, fear and igorance.

Add inaction, of the moral Germans, the rest of Europe and the Jews themselves. That inaction will never describe Israel.

It seems the Jews have become like Nazi Germany. The Arabs don´t even have nuclear weapons but what happens if they GET THEM!! Oh MY GOD!!! The whole world would be destroyed!!! Nasrallah and the Iranian leadership are gonna get us!!!

Just to piss you off, I'll make the comparison. Hitler took military control of the country + stated he'd get rid of the "Jewish Problem." Look what happened as a result because many people stood by and thought nothing would happen.

Iran is building nukes + their pres. has stated many times he will wipe out Israel. Seems like reason to worry.

 

[bigsmurf]

I'm against anyone having nuclear weapons especially if country is unstable and if potential of weapons being activated is there. There for I'm against Iran having nukes. I would also like to point out that Israel has invaded Lebanon as a result of two soldiers being kidnaped. If that is reason to invade another country how does China, France, Canada & Finland feel after their soldiers were killed by Israel even though they were clearly marked as UN troops. What should have they done, attacked Israel? Lets also point out that if Syria or Iran have invaded parts of Israel I don't think we would have Syria & Iran today. People who write that inocent people killed pretty much deserve it don't know first thing about wars and have not experienced a lost of a close ones to a war. Soldiers die in wars and as much as I hate to see anyone die it is risk of their profession. But when civilians die I can't approve that especially after seeing CNN footage from that apartment building that got destroyed.

 

[basketcase]

... Lets also point out that if Syria or Iran have invaded parts of Israel I don't think we would have Syria & Iran today....

??? What do you mean by this???

Syria has invaded Israel in the last 50 years and lost every time. Israel was allegedly half way to Damascus before they decided to pull back. They also refrained from using nukes in '73 though they were badly losing the war at the start.

Syria and Iran have also essentially invaded Israel through their militant groups (the guys who kidnapped the soldiers for instance).

They still exist though.

That said, Israel would use nukes though if they were being wiped out. 1 small nuke set off in Israel and Syria and Iran will be hit hard.

 

[antaeus]

almost every word in paragraphs 1 - 5 is either a fabrication or misinterpretation based on media lies.

It is very common to not know intimate details of what your neighbour is doing.

In democracies it is known that radical parties can get elected, as is the case in Israel.

Again we have someone 'educated' by the popular media assuming a holy stance, offering nothing but solace to himself for writing such a false, hate filled op-ed.

 

[solitaria]

Just to piss you off, I'll make the comparison. Hitler took military control of the country + stated he'd get rid of the "Jewish Problem." Look what happened as a result because many people stood by and thought nothing would happen.

Iran is building nukes + their pres. has stated many times he will wipe out Israel. Seems like reason to worry.

The Western media labels anyone who is against them and wants nuclear power as crazy. The fact is the West has no God damn right to be a moral authority on who is allowed to have nuclear arsenal. The US is the biggest arms dealer in the world and supplies Israel with billions of dollars in weaponry which kills so many innocent Arabs at the hands of the Israelis.

Personally I abhor the US foreign policy. They should try to balance the power not tilt it in favor of Israel. As Ariel Sharon said though, Israel controls the US. The fact of the matter is the reason there is so much terrorism is because the Arabs can´t hit Israel back with force. There is no price to pay for the actions of the Israelis. IF both of them could hit the other equally hard there would be much more of a need for diplomacy since force could never achieve anything.

 

[Back Burner]

I firmly believe these people are not innocent. If they dont like their leadership, start a revolution.

Or die trying?

 

[allaboutben]

Or die trying?

Yes.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

I would also like to point out that Israel has invaded Lebanon as a result of two soldiers being kidnaped.

Israel invaded Lebanon because Hezbollah fired rockets into Israel from Lebanon. The Lebanese government either couldn't, or chose not to, do anything about it.