The Next Smartphone Competitor...

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With all the talk about Samsung and Apple (who literally take all the profits) and Google (who has the most users), where will the next competitor come from. Microsoft thought it would be them... doesn't look that way, although to be fair it's too early to say that conclusively. RIM is making a play at the end of the month, but I doubt an updated RIM OS on a iPhone knockoff is going to be very compelling.

Perhaps this is the next competitor:

'Steve Jobs is gone. Now there is a lack of innovation' says Huawei's consumer CEO |
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"The best smartphone is from Huawei. Not from our competitors."

Bold words from a bold guy. Huawei's head of consumer electronics Richard Yu didn't leave much room for doubt over his intentions when announcing the Ascend Mate and Ascend D2 smartphones today — the company truly believes its new products can compete with the likes of Apple and Samsung on quality while offering lower prices. But US carriers have so far been reluctant to accept the prospect of high-end smartphones from Huawei; last year's Ascend P1 was a solid device, for example, but failed to get any traction. I sat down with Yu to find out more about Huawei's plan to take over the world.

"We have our spirit. It's very important."

"In the past people understood that the best products came from Apple or Samsung," Yu told me. "We want to change this so that people understand that the best products come from Huawei. That's my target." Yu believes that his company is uniquely placed to offer high-end products around the world, thanks to Huawei's two decades of experience in the telecoms industry and what he calls the "Asian hardware advantage." Yu also argued that Huawei is stronger in software than competitors from Korea and Taiwan, and blends "European" design into the mix. "We're a globalized company," says Yu, "so that's why we can do better. And behind all that, we have our spirit. It's very important."

"Samsung's plastic is very cheap."

Huawei is primarily known for its low-cost handsets right now, but the company plans to compete on price with its high-end devices as well. Yu told me that although the cost of manufacturing on the Ascend Mate is roughly the same as something like a Samsung Galaxy S III, the company is willing to sacrifice profit margins to offer a cost advantage of around 20 to 30 percent. Yu called out the Galaxy S III in particular for not using particularly high-end materials, saying "their plastic is very cheap."

"The US Government is an influence. It gives some noise."

So if Huawei can create quality products at affordable prices, why aren't US operators biting? Yu says that Huawei "needs some time for the US carriers to accept high end [products] from Huawei. We're early in the US market, but maybe [there are] some other reasons like trust, for the carriers. The US government is also an influence — it gives some noise."

The company has come under scrutiny in the US of late, with a Congressional report recommending against using Huawei products because of a so-called threat to national security — though a later investigation reportedly found no evidence of danger. Yu says that Huawei is attempting to make up ground, but doesn't know how long it will take. In any case, he doesn't believe that product quality is an issue. "Actually, (the carriers) like the product. The product is good enough. We need relationships with the carriers. We need some time to get trust. I don't know how much, but we are trying."



Build quality and competitive pricing don't count for much if the products don't appeal in the first place, and I had to ask about the thought process behind Huawei introducing possibly the biggest smartphone ever made. At 6.1 inches, the Ascend Mate's screen is impossible to cover with a thumb when the phone is held one-handed, and the Mate positively dwarfs the 5-inch Ascend D2. Yu thinks the phone is a "comfortable size," however, pointing to the one-handed mode that shrinks the keyboard, the relatively compact design, and the curved back that makes it "more comfortable than the Galaxy Note." After using it for ten minutes or so, I have to admit that it's a lot more comfortable than I expected, though it won't be exactly pocket-friendly for everyone. Yu didn't seem to have a problem, however, happily slipping the Mate into his pocket and comfortably strolling around the room.

"Steve Jobs is gone. Now there is a lack of innovation."

Yu went so far as to say that even 5 inches is "too small" for comfortable video and email viewing, though the D2's screen is higher resolution at 720p. This was for cost reasons - as Yu puts it with a laugh, "I think HD is good, but full HD is too good!" He's clearly proud of Huawei's latest phones, saying they can go up against the best from the likes of Apple. "Steve Jobs is gone. Now there is a lack of innovation."

So who's Huawei's Steve Jobs? "We're a team. We're one people."

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Butchered Enrish and Samsung knockoff aside (but presumably without "very cheap plastic") one has to wonder when a Chinese brand will make an impact in the tier 1 smartphone market... disruption usually comes from the bottom, and that's where the market has been growing - should Apple and (I think more likely) Samsung be worried?

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'Steve Jobs is gone. Now there is a lack of innovation' says Huawei's consumer CEO
Unless the CEO is pandering to the US consumer by supporting the Jobs myth - his company will only be able to follow Samsung and others - never lead. Even ignoring the tenuous believe that Jobs had perpetuated maintaining he was a technology innovator, he has gone and the reason Samsung has succeeded in surpassing Apple as the largest manufacturer of smartphones in the world is that they have have provided innovations on their handsets that elevate it above Apple.

Steve Jobs said bigger screens on handsets would be a failure - Samsung has proved him wrong. Steve Jobs said that there is no viable market for a small tablet - now even Apple had to manufacture a small tablet to try to hold onto the iPad dominance they once had in the tablet market. Steve Jobs said that who ever uses a stylus 'has it wrong'. The Note 2 with it's stylus is such a success that there many companies (including Huawei) are trying to follow suit.

I also find the CEO willingness to loose profit margins because he wants a more 'quality' case is troubling. I (like almost everyone I know) buy cases for their smartphones - even the ones made from metal. If this product is going to survive, it's got to realize innovation didn't die with Jobs - they must be innovators themselves. Let's see new technology from Huawei that makes upgrading to their product a no-brainer.
 

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Unless the CEO is pandering to the US consumer by supporting the Jobs myth - his company will only be able to follow Samsung and others - never lead. Even ignoring the tenuous believe that Jobs had perpetuated maintaining he was a technology innovator, he has gone and the reason Samsung has succeeded in surpassing Apple as the largest manufacturer of smartphones in the world is that they have have provided innovations on their handsets that elevate it above Apple.

Steve Jobs said bigger screens on handsets would be a failure - Samsung has proved him wrong. Steve Jobs said that there is no viable market for a small tablet - now even Apple had to manufacture a small tablet to try to hold onto the iPad dominance they once had in the tablet market. Steve Jobs said that who ever uses a stylus 'has it wrong'. The Note 2 with it's stylus is such a success that there many companies (including Huawei) are trying to follow suit.

I also find the CEO willingness to loose profit margins because he wants a more 'quality' case is troubling. I (like almost everyone I know) buy cases for their smartphones - even the ones made from metal. If this product is going to survive, it's got to realize innovation didn't die with Jobs - they must be innovators themselves. Let's see new technology from Huawei that makes upgrading to their product a no-brainer.
I think when the Q4 numbers are released your going to find that the competition between Apple and Samsung at the high end of the market is quite competitive. If you don't believe that a Chinese company can do what Samsung did, iterate off a design and sell a range of products at a lower price, then your kidding yourself. Will they be successful, I don't know, other than Lenovo it's hard to point to successful Chinese brands (and IBM handed them that one) but just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it won't happen.

Hard to not see the phone pictured in the article as a Galaxy ripoff - looks nearly identical. If it was fast, had a great screen and was 30% less you don't think they'd sell a bunch of them to teenagers buying Android phones?

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If I may save a little space in my rebuttal:

I think when the Q4 numbers are released your going to find that the competition between Apple and Samsung at the high end of the market is quite competitive. I hope you can live with disappointment because Samsung has sold 100 million Galaxy S including over 40 million of the top S3. Apple has been cutting back production and you should take the day off January 23 pouring yourself a stiff drink because Apple is in trouble. "At the same time, Apple has cut its orders from Asian suppliers for iPhone 5 components. Orders for displays between January and March have been cut in half, prompting talk that sales have not met the company’s expectations.... Historically, Apple has delighted in releasing sales figures for its key products, but aside from opening weekend sales figures it’s been unusually quiet about the iPhone 5’s performance since its debut in September." [ http://www.techcentral.co.za/has-apple-peaked/37463/ ]

If you don't believe that a Chinese company can do what Samsung did, iterate off a design and sell a range of products at a lower price, then your kidding yourself. What you don't seem to appreciate is that Samsung did not replicate Apple iPhone - it improved and developed the next generation of smartphone product. I hated Apple's draconian customer control but I could have jailbroke it if the product was the best in the market - but it isn't. The Galaxy S3 actually incorporates many attributes that Jobs didn't support - bigger screen, more features, enhanced capabilities, better display options, widgets, pull down status display (which Apple copied... badly), expandable memory, etc, etc,) Galaxy S 3 isn't an Apple knock off (also it ain't cheap) - it is a new advanced smartphone. That is why most of my friends who were iPhone owners traded up. That is why I knew Apple is going to have disappointing iPhone 5 sales - even before the manufacturing cut backs.

Hard to not see the phone pictured in the article as a Galaxy ripoff - looks nearly identical. If Samsung isn't moving the bar and instead resting on their laurels, they could get caught. If Huawei concept of the Galaxy Note 2 success is that it came from a bigger screen and they responded by blindly adding a larger screen, they could be in trouble. The size of the Note was a gamble that was driven to push the edge of what is a pocket phone to achieve a unique functional product. The Galaxy Note 2 utilizes a stylus and unique screen stylus support to provide a device that allows the user to draw, write or modify documents, photos, etc. on a pocket device. I was playing with a friend's and I frequently visit sites to survey installations and send notes back to engineers - this product is would be great for that task. It is now being gobbled up by architects, engineers, and I was reading how sports coaches are using it to document and assist the athletes. So if Huawei simple builds a physical copy without thinking about the functionality and the market it addresses, they could end up with an over sized orphaned tablet.

If Huawei can build a better technically improved smartphone when I'm ready to upgrade - I guess it will be bye, bye Samsung !
 

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If I may save a little space in my rebuttal:

I think when the Q4 numbers are released your going to find that the competition between Apple and Samsung at the high end of the market is quite competitive. I hope you can live with disappointment because Samsung has sold 100 million Galaxy S including over 40 million of the top S3. Apple has been cutting back production and you should take the day off January 23 pouring yourself a stiff drink because Apple is in trouble. "At the same time, Apple has cut its orders from Asian suppliers for iPhone 5 components. Orders for displays between January and March have been cut in half, prompting talk that sales have not met the company’s expectations.... Historically, Apple has delighted in releasing sales figures for its key products, but aside from opening weekend sales figures it’s been unusually quiet about the iPhone 5’s performance since its debut in September." [ http://www.techcentral.co.za/has-apple-peaked/37463/ ]

If you don't believe that a Chinese company can do what Samsung did, iterate off a design and sell a range of products at a lower price, then your kidding yourself. What you don't seem to appreciate is that Samsung did not replicate Apple iPhone - it improved and developed the next generation of smartphone product. I hated Apple's draconian customer control but I could have jailbroke it if the product was the best in the market - but it isn't. The Galaxy S3 actually incorporates many attributes that Jobs didn't support - bigger screen, more features, enhanced capabilities, better display options, widgets, pull down status display (which Apple copied... badly), expandable memory, etc, etc,) Galaxy S 3 isn't an Apple knock off (also it ain't cheap) - it is a new advanced smartphone. That is why most of my friends who were iPhone owners traded up. That is why I knew Apple is going to have disappointing iPhone 5 sales - even before the manufacturing cut backs.

Hard to not see the phone pictured in the article as a Galaxy ripoff - looks nearly identical. If Samsung isn't moving the bar and instead resting on their laurels, they could get caught. If Huawei concept of the Galaxy Note 2 success is that it came from a bigger screen and they responded by blindly adding a larger screen, they could be in trouble. The size of the Note was a gamble that was driven to push the edge of what is a pocket phone to achieve a unique functional product. The Galaxy Note 2 utilizes a stylus and unique screen stylus support to provide a device that allows the user to draw, write or modify documents, photos, etc. on a pocket device. I was playing with a friend's and I frequently visit sites to survey installations and send notes back to engineers - this product is would be great for that task. It is now being gobbled up by architects, engineers, and I was reading how sports coaches are using it to document and assist the athletes. So if Huawei simple builds a physical copy without thinking about the functionality and the market it addresses, they could end up with an over sized orphaned tablet.

If Huawei can build a better technically improved smartphone when I'm ready to upgrade - I guess it will be bye, bye Samsung !
The challenge for Huawei won't be in meeting Samsung's features (they can get the same components and make a huge phone), it will be brand recognition - how many Chinese brands do you own... not many, perhaps Lonovo but only because IBM gave them a brand...

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If I may save a little space in my rebuttal:

I think when the Q4 numbers are released your going to find that the competition between Apple and Samsung at the high end of the market is quite competitive. I hope you can live with disappointment because Samsung has sold 100 million Galaxy S including over 40 million of the top S3. Apple has been cutting back production and you should take the day off January 23 pouring yourself a stiff drink because Apple is in trouble. "At the same time, Apple has cut its orders from Asian suppliers for iPhone 5 components. Orders for displays between January and March have been cut in half, prompting talk that sales have not met the company’s expectations.... Historically, Apple has delighted in releasing sales figures for its key products, but aside from opening weekend sales figures it’s been unusually quiet about the iPhone 5’s performance since its debut in September." [ http://www.techcentral.co.za/has-apple-peaked/37463/ ]
Let me clarify that...Apple has sold a LOT more iPhones than Samsung has of the Galaxy S line. According to a report that came out yesterday, think it is about 80 million more.

As to whether or not they were too exuberant in placing orders, again, that may or may not be true but we will see when they release numbers.

If you don't believe that a Chinese company can do what Samsung did, iterate off a design and sell a range of products at a lower price, then your kidding yourself. What you don't seem to appreciate is that Samsung did not replicate Apple iPhone - it improved and developed the next generation of smartphone product. I hated Apple's draconian customer control but I could have jailbroke it if the product was the best in the market - but it isn't. The Galaxy S3 actually incorporates many attributes that Jobs didn't support - bigger screen, more features, enhanced capabilities, better display options, widgets, pull down status display (which Apple copied... badly), expandable memory, etc, etc,) Galaxy S 3 isn't an Apple knock off (also it ain't cheap) - it is a new advanced smartphone. That is why most of my friends who were iPhone owners traded up. That is why I knew Apple is going to have disappointing iPhone 5 sales - even before the manufacturing cut backs.
Samsung copied the iPhone 3S after the Galaxy S debacle. That is why the Galaxy S II is such an improvement. And, yes, I have a Galaxy S I.

Any Chinese company can do what Samsung did and more than likely will.


If Huawei can build a better technically improved smartphone when I'm ready to upgrade - I guess it will be bye, bye Samsung !
There's Huawei, HTC, Lenovo, and a much smaller company with a weird name that has a great smartphone which I hope to get my hands on. (Northpole, take note of those Chinese companies.)
 

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I would definitely be more then happy to consider a Huwei android device, as long as it is at least 30-40% cheaper then the Nexus 4.
 

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I would definitely be more then happy to consider a Huwei android device, as long as it is at least 30-40% cheaper then the Nexus 4.
And as your experience improves that required discount will decrease....

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Huawei Propels Itself to Become 3rd Biggest Smartphone Maker

I don’t think anyone really saw this one coming. When we talk about market share in the smartphone world, we are used to seeing names like Samsung, LG, and Motorola, but Huawei has (not so) quietly moved itself into the third spot overall when it comes to worldwide smartphone market share. That’s huge. And we’re not just talking about the size of the Huawei Mate either.
Even though the Huawei products may not exactly be the flagship smartphones offered by your local cell phone carrier, Huawei has made its presence known and let’s not forget about the massive market that it can enjoy in its home China. Indeed, Huawei’s year-over-year change for units shipped in Q4 was a remarkable 89.5%. That being said, it still only has a 4.9% overall market share as of Q4 2012.

The overall smartphone market continues to grow, so even though the market share numbers have only moved a few percentage points, the year-over-year change for units shipped has increased almost across the board. Samsung is sitting in the top spot with 29.0% market share with a 76.0% increase in units shipped. Apple is second with a 21.8% market share and a 29.2% increase in shipments. Sony is fourth with 4.5% market share and interestingly enough, another Chinese company, ZTE, rounds out the top five with its 4.3% market share.

Yes, Apple and Samsung continue to dominate the smartphone world with a combined 50% of the market and Huawei is a distant third with its 4.9%, but it really is amazing how this seemingly “second tier” brand has propelled itself onto the smartphone podium in such a short amount of time. Remember that they’re beating out what we may otherwise consider to be heavy hitters like HTC, LG and Motorola.



watch for huge growth from Huawei and ZTE this year. as both enter the higher end of the market
 

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Huawei Propels Itself to Become 3rd Biggest Smartphone Maker

I don’t think anyone really saw this one coming. When we talk about market share in the smartphone world, we are used to seeing names like Samsung, LG, and Motorola, but Huawei has (not so) quietly moved itself into the third spot overall when it comes to worldwide smartphone market share. That’s huge. And we’re not just talking about the size of the Huawei Mate either.
Even though the Huawei products may not exactly be the flagship smartphones offered by your local cell phone carrier, Huawei has made its presence known and let’s not forget about the massive market that it can enjoy in its home China. Indeed, Huawei’s year-over-year change for units shipped in Q4 was a remarkable 89.5%. That being said, it still only has a 4.9% overall market share as of Q4 2012.

The overall smartphone market continues to grow, so even though the market share numbers have only moved a few percentage points, the year-over-year change for units shipped has increased almost across the board. Samsung is sitting in the top spot with 29.0% market share with a 76.0% increase in units shipped. Apple is second with a 21.8% market share and a 29.2% increase in shipments. Sony is fourth with 4.5% market share and interestingly enough, another Chinese company, ZTE, rounds out the top five with its 4.3% market share.

Yes, Apple and Samsung continue to dominate the smartphone world with a combined 50% of the market and Huawei is a distant third with its 4.9%, but it really is amazing how this seemingly “second tier” brand has propelled itself onto the smartphone podium in such a short amount of time. Remember that they’re beating out what we may otherwise consider to be heavy hitters like HTC, LG and Motorola.



watch for huge growth from Huawei and ZTE this year. as both enter the higher end of the market
As smartphone market growth moves to a more price sensitive set of economies they could make a great impact on the market.
 

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Already have nibby, and you know it, only wish you woke up a few months back instead of spouting your nonsense.
NP, you had no clue a few months back and got your head handed to you by yours truly. I've noticed that you've kept quiet since then and strongly suggest that you keep on doing so.
 

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It is truly odd how few Chinese consumer brands make it over here... clearly that's something that the Chinese will need to change if they want to become more than the West's sweatshops.....

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And for those who like their smartphones in the BBW sizing.... your next big honey may come from Huawei....


Hands on: Huawei Ascend Mate review

The Huawei Ascend Mate stomps onto the mobile scene to really test our willingness to call a 6-inch device a smartphone, but that is indeed what it is.

Actually measuring 6.1-inches, the 1280x720p display on the Ascend Mate is the largest on any smartphone in world, making it the king of super-sized handsets – dwarfing the already ridiculously large Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and HTC Droid DNA/J Butterfly.

Due to arrive in China next month, the Ascend Mate will make it to other regions around the world from March, but Huawei is yet to announce the countries in line to be treated to the gigantic device.

The Huawei Ascend Mate price is currently unknown, but we'd expect it to be sporting a price tag which is comparable to other high-end devices on the market.

As you'd expect with such a big screen the Ascend Mate is big device, easily stretching our palm to its limit just to hold the beast.

Huawei is keen to point out that it's tired to keep the size down as much as possible, citing that the screen-to-bezel ratio on the front of the Ascend Mate is the best around, with 73% of the real estate belonging to that 6.1-inch HD LCD display.

We had a Galaxy Note 2 on hand to do a quick side by side comparison and while the Huawei Ascend Mate is naturally slightly bigger and slightly more tricky to grasp, weight wise there's not a lot between the handsets.



The glossy plastic back of the Ascend Mate is curved to help it fit in your hand, but without any form of grip and due to the sheer size of the thing we reckon this one is a dropper.

That said it does feel relatively well built, certainly when you compare it to the cheaper budget devices Huawei has churned out in the past, and we reckon the Ascend Mate is able to take a couple of knocks – don't go throwing it down the stairs though.

Packing in a punchy 1.4GHz (or 1.5GHz according to press materials) quad-core processor we expected the Ascend Mate to zip along, so we were surprised when we came to wake the screen – using the power/lock key on the right – that it took a couple of seconds to register our intent.

There is only 768MB of RAM inside the handset, which too is a little surprising as we were expecting at least 1GB, if not 2GB - but may explain the tardiness.

Just below the unlock key you'll find a volume rocker and both switches have been placed ideally for thumb bashing if you're holding the Mate in your right hand, while your left fingers will also be able to find them easily.

You can't take the back off the Ascend Mate, so there's no access to the monstrous 4,050mAh battery housed inside – the biggest in any smartphone – but it should keep you going all day.

Up top you get a 3.5mm headphone jack and a slot for a microSIM, and down the left there's a slot for a microSD card to supplement the poxy 8GB inside - what was Huawei thinking!?

Both slots are covered by plastic panels, which we found easy to remove and snap back into place.

The lock screen itself isn't the standard Android 4.1.2 Jelly Bean affair, but the firm's own attempt as part of its Emotion UI (version 5.1 here) offering up a variety of intuitive quick launches as well as the normal unlock function.

Thankfully things perked up a bit once we got past the slow-to-appear lock screen, with the Ascend Mate allowing us to glide through the homescreens and app lists without issue – as you'd expect from a handset boasting so much power and the Project Butter smoothness of Jelly Bean.

A neat little feature is the ability to hide the on-screen Android navigation keys at the bottom of the display, allowing you to utilise the whole display. All you need to do is hit the small down arrow to the left of the icons and the bar will disappear.

It's easy to get it back too with a slide up from the bottom of the screen bringing the controls to the fore - and the screen automatically adjusts to ensure no content is hidden behind them.

Apps open quickly, but not in the lightening fast times we see on the Galaxy Note 2 or iPhone 5 with the camera taking around a second to get itself sorted.

Round the back there's an 8MP sensor complete with LED flash and modes such as panorama and HDR, although you'll need two hands at all times to balance the Ascend Mate while hitting the shutter key.

There's a few options in the camera app including camera effects and scene modes, but nothing out of the ordinary.

The application is easy to use and the big screen means reviewing your photos in an enjoyable experience.

Clearly that big, 16:9 aspect ratio screen also comes in handy if you fancy watching a movie and the Ascend Mate had pretty good viewing angles meaning you can have a couple of mates watching either side of you as well.

Huawei has stuck Dolby's surround sound technology into the Ascend Mate which boosts the volume of the internal speaker while reducing the level of distortion and it sounded pretty good, even in the crowded press room.

If that wasn't enough the Ascend Mate also comes with Hauwei's 'Magic Touch' technology allowing you to operator the phone when wearing gloves – perfect for winter strolls through the woods.

OTB note - perfect for the GWN

Obviously when it comes to typing on the Mate's display two hands are a must, but Huawei has implemented one handed keyboards for those of you who fancy a challenge.

Similar to the implementation on the Galaxy Note 2 this one-handed functionality sees the keyboard floated to either the right or left side of the display to allow you to thumb-out a missive.

The keyboard itself is pretty standard fair and fine for short messages, but we wouldn't recommend it if you want to type a lengthy email.

With the reduced size of the QWERTY keyboard it actually turns out to be pretty tricky to bash out a text one handed, as we managed to hit the wrong key on several occasions.

Another leaf taking from Samsung's (and Sony's tablets) book if the ability to have multiple apps on screen at once, with simple apps such as notes, messaging and calculator available to uses to pull up over the app they are currently viewing.

Early Verdict

The line between smartphone and tablet continues to blur and the Huawei Ascend Mate does nothing to help the situation.

Huawei wants you to ditch your tablet in favour of the Ascend Mate, which in its eyes can double as both a slate and a phone.

We're not completely sold on that philosophy and tend to sway towards the theory that a 6.1-inch phone is pretty mad – verging on unnecessary.

We expected a snappy experience from the Ascend Mate and it is by no means a slouch but it just didn't feel as slick as the offerings from HTC and Samsung.

We'll put this phablet properly through its paces in our in-depith Huawei Ascend Mate review in the coming months to see if it is a decent competitor to the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and co. – in the mean time we're off to stretch our hands in preparation.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/huawei-ascend-mate-1122575/review
 

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If consumers are willing to pay then Chinese handset makers will pump out fabulous phones, however it is a chicken and egg thing, consumers are not willing to pay iphone/S3 prices for a chinese branded handset in the first place chinese handset makers will not produce high end phones, they will just stick to what they are already good at; value oriented low end phones. For a chinese brand to make a high end phone and sell it outside of asia they need really deep pockets because they will be taking huge losses until they build some sort of positive brand recognition. It is alot easier and cheaper to market a new unknown as a high end brand than it is to reposition an existing low end brand into a high end one. Huawei is making stupid decisions sticking with their original brand name and even stupider making a 6 inch phone.

The only chinese company that I can think of that I feel has superior consumer electronics and is available in North America is TP-Link, I would pay a premium for their product WRT netgear/Dlink/linksys, but comparing feature for feature they have around a 50% discount and they have a 2 year warranty.
 

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If consumers are willing to pay then Chinese handset makers will pump out fabulous phones, however it is a chicken and egg thing, consumers are not willing to pay iphone/S3 prices for a chinese branded handset in the first place chinese handset makers will not produce high end phones, they will just stick to what they are already good at; value oriented low end phones. For a chinese brand to make a high end phone and sell it outside of asia they need really deep pockets because they will be taking huge losses until they build some sort of positive brand recognition. It is alot easier and cheaper to market a new unknown as a high end brand than it is to reposition an existing low end brand into a high end one. Huawei is making stupid decisions sticking with their original brand name and even stupider making a 6 inch phone.

The only chinese company that I can think of that I feel has superior consumer electronics and is available in North America is TP-Link, I would pay a premium for their product WRT netgear/Dlink/linksys, but comparing feature for feature they have around a 50% discount and they have a 2 year warranty.
It's management cliche that all innovation comes from behind - they will move up the value chain, ripe for the picking are the Android OEMs - google manages the user experience not Samsung.
 

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i tried to talk my mom into buying rim stock when it was like 6$ a few months ago. i told her it would boost when they released the new phone and to sell it when it doubles but not to get greedy. she could have made money, last week it was 17$. oh well, i doubt they are gonna make a huge comeback but it would have been nice to double her money for her. apple has taken a cue from them, release a product everyone loves then never change until it's to late.
How much did you buy at $6?

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How much did you buy at $6?

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i didn't get any, i hate the stock market. it was just a feeling i had and i tried to talk my mom into it, she hates gambling and considers the stock market a form of gambling.
 
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