The New Racists: Jew Hate

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Are you a performer who wishes to appear in public at any point in the future? If so, you might have to bone up on geopolitical affairs -- and then ensure that you have all the "correct" views. If you had thought that the only qualification you would need would be to excel at your chosen art form and then see if you can gather audiences, you were wrong. That is not enough anymore -- certainly not if you are Jewish.

This week the news came in that a Spanish music festival had cancelled a planned performance by Matisyahu, an American reggae star. Matisyahu became famous as the "hassidic reggae star," although he left Orthodox Judaism in 2011. He no longer has a beard of wears a skullcap, but he does remain proud of his Jewish identity. Next weekend, on August 22, he was due to perform at the Rototom Sunsplash festival in Benicassim, north of Valencia.

Unfortunately for anyone simply interested in music, a group of local Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) activists found out about Matisyahu's upcoming performance. They claimed that Matisyahu is a supporter of "an apartheid state that practices ethnic cleansing," and demanded that the festival cancel the performance.

Matisyahu is of course not the first Jew to suffer this type of pressure. In Europe, and increasingly in America too, any and all performers who come from Israel can be abused and vilified in the name of "progressive" values. In London, the Jerusalem String Quartet and Israel Philharmonic Orchestra have been the targets of attempts to cancel their performances. When the performances have gone ahead, they have had to suffer obscene and threatening performance interruptions by protesters. The same has happened to Israeli theatre companies such as Habima – whose performers were insulted and vilified while on stage at Shakespeare's Globe Theatre in London, trying to perform "The Merchant of Venice." None of the protesters seemed to see the irony of vilifying Jews on stage during that of all plays.

Jewish Israeli artists have become used to being targeted and vilified in this way. But the treatment of Matisyahu is something new. For Matisyahu is not an Israeli -- he is an American. Yet after the intervention of the BDS protestors, the festival's director tried what he presumably thought was a perfectly reasonable request: Filippo Giunta asked Matisyahu to produce a "signed statement or video" stating "in a very clear way" that he supported the creation of a Palestinian state. This was made a precondition of performing. "If you sign these conditions, you can continue the performance," the festival's director told the artist.

Understandably, Matisyahu refused to respond to this ultimatum, and festival organisers cancelled his performance, which was due to be just one of a number of performance stops Matisyahu is making in Europe and America.

It is to be hoped that everybody who believes in artistic freedom and rejects political intimidation can now make for the nearest performance by Matisyahu, whether they like reggae or not. Personally, the actions of the Spanish festival organizers have created the only inclination I have ever felt to attend such a concert.

But perhaps we could also initiate some other geostrategic questions that might be demanded of all other performers in the future. Spain has its own border issues, as nearly every country in the world does. Perhaps Spanish performers in the classical and pop world should henceforth be quizzed about their political attitudes before they are allowed to perform abroad? The whole question of Catalonia, for instance, is deeply fraught and fought over in Spain, with exceedingly strong views over independence on all sides. Maybe the rest of the world should demand that all musicians from Spain sign a statement or make a video supporting Catalan independence if they are to be allowed to perform in public? We could go back and forth in our allegiances of course -- and make the Spanish artistic community jump to our every whim and U-turn. Perhaps then we could decide that citizens of other countries could be made to jump through our whims on the Spanish border questions too?

Of course, such a course of action would be obscene, as it would be with any other country. But it is always instructive that only one country and one geopolitical question is addressed in this way. To my knowledge Turkish artists are nowhere in the world asked to condemn their country's illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus -- an occupation, lasting more than four decades, of half an EU member state. Such a demand would be far more appropriate in Spain or any other EU country. And it has certainly never been demanded of people of non-Turkish nationality that they call for the withdrawal of Turkish forces and Turkish people from Cypriot territory before they be allowed to perform in public.

Nor do demands on the tortuous Western Sahara question come up in this way. Both of these issues -- to seize just two -- are far closer to home for Spanish citizens. One lies only a few miles south, while the other involves a fellow EU member state. But to demand such an action or statement from an artist as a prerequisite to perform would be not just outrageous, it would be regarded as surreal. Why then is the BDS campaign able to normalize such a demand, and for a festival to cancel a performance based on non-compliance with such grotesque demands?

The answer is the fever of our time. For a while, only Israeli Jews were made pariahs among the nations because of an unresolved border dispute involving their country. Now it is Jews born anywhere else in the world who can be targeted in the same way. They are singling out Jews -- Jews and only Jews. And their singling out of Jews, wherever they are from, makes their racist motivation abundantly clear. If the Rototom Sunsplash festival wants to take part in this racist BDS fever then it is them -- and not Jews -- whom the world must make into global pariahs.
 

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You don't have to look far too find Jew haters, there are lots right here on terb. One, high park, actually thought that he could discredit me on another thread by accusing me of being a Jew. He just assumed I am a Jew and then thought calling me one would discredit me.

That sort of blatant bigotry is becoming more and more acceptable in our society and an increasing number of haters who used to hide behind the term "Israeli" are now just coming out and saying "Jew", which of course is what they have always meant.

As for BDS, its founding members and steering group includes Hamas and Islamic Jihad, it is sickening that anyone in the West would associate with that. Even if you feel that the settlement policy deserves criticism there is no excuse for associating yourself with terrorists.
 

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The Europeans hated Jews a thousand years before there was Israel. It's part of their nature.
 

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You don't have to look far too find Jew haters, there are lots right here on terb. ...

As for BDS, its founding members and steering group includes Hamas and Islamic Jihad, it is sickening that anyone in the West would associate with that. Even if you feel that the settlement policy deserves criticism there is no excuse for associating yourself with terrorists.
I find the term 'Jew hater' and 'anti semitic' on terb too easily thrown at anyone who dares to oppose any official Israeli policy or criticism of Israeli continued occupation and oppression of the original Palestinian inhabitants. And while I don't condone terrorists, like South African apartheid I don't condone repressive regimes whose policies on the indigenous population sets up frustration & despair which breeds these terrorist groups.

Racism is a sign of ignorance and ignorance is spread throughout the globe. I don't think you will ever remove it. Many political parties intentionally incite racism to unite support using racism as excuse for peoples problems. Jewish racism isn't new - it was around long before the Nazis were around. In the US - Irish were hated, Jews, Japanese and of course blacks.

Just as N.A. Jews should not be blamed for policies of a country thousands of miles away - N.A. Muslims shouldn't be blamed on events they have no control over. I'd say I have the most sympathy towards the black community who are easily identifiable and seem to bear a little of the burden of every crime committed by a black person.
 

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I find the term 'Jew hater' and 'anti semitic' on terb too easily thrown at anyone who dares to oppose any official Israeli policy or criticism of Israeli continued occupation and oppression of the original Palestinian inhabitants. And while I don't condone terrorists, like South African apartheid I don't condone repressive regimes whose policies on the indigenous population sets up frustration & despair which breeds these terrorist groups.
Oh snap...I totally forgot the world was formed in 1925. My bad

But hey, at least you don't condone terrorists :thumb:

Edit: Gotta love Google...

In the New Testament, the term Palestine is never used. The term Israel is primarily used to refer to the people of Israel, rather than the Land. However, in at least two passages, Israel is used to refer to the Land:

Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead who sought the young child’s life. And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel. (Matt. 2:20-21)

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say to you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man shall have come. (Matt. 10:23)
 

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Oh snap...I totally forgot the world was formed in 1925. My bad

But hey, at least you don't condone terrorists :thumb:
A little history: 'The Palestinian people, also referred to as Palestinians, are the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries, and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab ' just Google it. It's like telling native Canadians that they only existed since 1867.

Yes, I don't support terrorism either by radicalised militias or organised military campaigns.
 

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A little history: 'The Palestinian people, also referred to as Palestinians, are the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries, and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab ' just Google it. It's like telling native Canadians that they only existed since 1867.
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Yet up until the end of the Ottoman empire, there was absolutely no distinction between what we now call Syrian, Jordanian, Lebanese, and Palestinian. In fact they were all part of the same Ottoman province.

The Palestinian people do exist now based on the past 70 years. (especially considering that both groups claim historic ties) Fact is that no amount of historical claims justifies anything. What justifies the existence of Israel and a Palestinian state is that the people there for the past 70 years want them. Israeli society as a whole accepts the concept of a two state peace despite the vocal comments by some. Unfortunately the Palestinians elected a party that is more interested in destroying Israel than building their own state.


The structure of a two state peace is obvious to most. Olmert even offered essentially the same deal that the Arab League promotes. Politics of hate unfortunately got in the way of that offer moving forwards.
 

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A little history: 'The Palestinian people, also referred to as Palestinians, are the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries, and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab ' just Google it. It's like telling native Canadians that they only existed since 1867.

Yes, I don't support terrorism either by radicalised militias or organised military campaigns.

no Arab before 1967 called himself/herself Palestinian. Palestine and the Palestinian people is invented to wage war against Israel. just recently Abbas confessed that Palestinians are Jordanians are the same people. a few years ago a Hamas mp from Gaza admitted on Arabic tv program say there is no palestinian people half from Egypt(like the Late Yassir Arafat) and the other half Saudis.
 

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The Palestinian people do exist now based on the past 70 years. Fact is that no amount of historical claims justifies anything.
Your labels don't matter to people who have tilled the land there for centuries. The Moroccan quarter Jerusalem was there for 770 years before the inhabitants were moved and Israeli bulldozers leveled it just a few weeks into the occupation. I understand why history means little as it did in apartheid South Africa. The two state deal is basically a take it nor leave it deal from an expansionist nation with no intent of leaving the occupied territories and their indigenous population to their land.

no Arab before 1967 called himself/herself Palestinian.
And native Canadians didn't refer themselves by the labels of the conquering Europeans. It's a label ... the people still existed and do exist. So 'Indians' was just term created to start the Indian wars ??? Think about what you are suggesting.

So what was this thread about ????
 

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So what was this thread about ????
I was gonna point out what I'll call fallacy-fest '15, but I got distracted by your .gif

At least we can all agree on her.
 

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So, some more facts to confuse the issues...

Impeccable genetic research over the past 15 or 20 years demonstrates that those people who call themselves Palestinians today are, in fact, descendants of Jews who remained on the land after a large number of others who then lived in the cities were exiled from the land by the Romans... about 2,000 years ago.

"Palestinians" are culturally Muslim and genetically Jews... but hardly anyone looking for a solution for the present situation wants to take that fact into consideration because it undermines all the arguments and claims being asserted by all sides!

In particular, this fact undermines the very foundation of all arguments in favor of a Two State Solution! :Eek:

Perry
 

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Y... The Moroccan quarter Jerusalem was there for 770 years before the inhabitants were ...
The Jewish quarter of Jerusalem had been there for more than 1000 years until Jordanian tanks chased them out. The Jewish community in Hebron had been there from antiquity until Arab mobs chased them out in 1929. Jews made up the largest religious group in Jerusalem in 1844 (before the term zionism was ever uttered). Now Jews who live in either of those places are called settlers. What's your point? History is past. Both sides have historic claims. What counts (and the only thing that can change) is what happens from now on.

Everyone should know the conditions for a reasonable two state peace. Various versions have been offered over the years. Unfortunately one Palestinian government openly supports Israel's destruction over a two state peace and the other has repeatedly walked away from the Israeli offer without comment.


The two state deal is basically a take it nor leave it deal from an expansionist nation with no intent of leaving the occupied territories and their indigenous population to their land.
Sad that you are among those that oppose the solution that many Palestinians and Israelis see as reasonable. I guess in your mind the continued destruction promoted by Hamas is better than peace, just to prevent...


So what was this thread about ????
Sadly the lack of peace in the conflict relates directly to the topic of the thread. Hamas and many other Palestinian factions would rather fight to prevent Jews living in the middle east than make peace.
 

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Doesn't Israel demand recognition as a precondition to many things? Is that really so different. What would have happened if an Arab rapper performed a "death to Israel" song at the show? I bet you he would have been banned.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6355/spain-jew-hate



Are you a performer who wishes to appear in public at any point in the future? If so, you might have to bone up on geopolitical affairs -- and then ensure that you have all the "correct" views. If you had thought that the only qualification you would need would be to excel at your chosen art form and then see if you can gather audiences, you were wrong. That is not enough anymore -- certainly not if you are Jewish.

This week the news came in that a Spanish music festival had cancelled a planned performance by Matisyahu, an American reggae star. Matisyahu became famous as the "hassidic reggae star," although he left Orthodox Judaism in 2011. He no longer has a beard of wears a skullcap, but he does remain proud of his Jewish identity. Next weekend, on August 22, he was due to perform at the Rototom Sunsplash festival in Benicassim, north of Valencia.

Unfortunately for anyone simply interested in music, a group of local Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) activists found out about Matisyahu's upcoming performance. They claimed that Matisyahu is a supporter of "an apartheid state that practices ethnic cleansing," and demanded that the festival cancel the performance.

Matisyahu is of course not the first Jew to suffer this type of pressure. In Europe, and increasingly in America too, any and all performers who come from Israel can be abused and vilified in the name of "progressive" values. In London, the Jerusalem String Quartet and Israel Philharmonic Orchestra have been the targets of attempts to cancel their performances. When the performances have gone ahead, they have had to suffer obscene and threatening performance interruptions by protesters. The same has happened to Israeli theatre companies such as Habima – whose performers were insulted and vilified while on stage at Shakespeare's Globe Theatre in London, trying to perform "The Merchant of Venice." None of the protesters seemed to see the irony of vilifying Jews on stage during that of all plays.

Jewish Israeli artists have become used to being targeted and vilified in this way. But the treatment of Matisyahu is something new. For Matisyahu is not an Israeli -- he is an American. Yet after the intervention of the BDS protestors, the festival's director tried what he presumably thought was a perfectly reasonable request: Filippo Giunta asked Matisyahu to produce a "signed statement or video" stating "in a very clear way" that he supported the creation of a Palestinian state. This was made a precondition of performing. "If you sign these conditions, you can continue the performance," the festival's director told the artist.

Understandably, Matisyahu refused to respond to this ultimatum, and festival organisers cancelled his performance, which was due to be just one of a number of performance stops Matisyahu is making in Europe and America.

It is to be hoped that everybody who believes in artistic freedom and rejects political intimidation can now make for the nearest performance by Matisyahu, whether they like reggae or not. Personally, the actions of the Spanish festival organizers have created the only inclination I have ever felt to attend such a concert.

But perhaps we could also initiate some other geostrategic questions that might be demanded of all other performers in the future. Spain has its own border issues, as nearly every country in the world does. Perhaps Spanish performers in the classical and pop world should henceforth be quizzed about their political attitudes before they are allowed to perform abroad? The whole question of Catalonia, for instance, is deeply fraught and fought over in Spain, with exceedingly strong views over independence on all sides. Maybe the rest of the world should demand that all musicians from Spain sign a statement or make a video supporting Catalan independence if they are to be allowed to perform in public? We could go back and forth in our allegiances of course -- and make the Spanish artistic community jump to our every whim and U-turn. Perhaps then we could decide that citizens of other countries could be made to jump through our whims on the Spanish border questions too?

Of course, such a course of action would be obscene, as it would be with any other country. But it is always instructive that only one country and one geopolitical question is addressed in this way. To my knowledge Turkish artists are nowhere in the world asked to condemn their country's illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus -- an occupation, lasting more than four decades, of half an EU member state. Such a demand would be far more appropriate in Spain or any other EU country. And it has certainly never been demanded of people of non-Turkish nationality that they call for the withdrawal of Turkish forces and Turkish people from Cypriot territory before they be allowed to perform in public.

Nor do demands on the tortuous Western Sahara question come up in this way. Both of these issues -- to seize just two -- are far closer to home for Spanish citizens. One lies only a few miles south, while the other involves a fellow EU member state. But to demand such an action or statement from an artist as a prerequisite to perform would be not just outrageous, it would be regarded as surreal. Why then is the BDS campaign able to normalize such a demand, and for a festival to cancel a performance based on non-compliance with such grotesque demands?

The answer is the fever of our time. For a while, only Israeli Jews were made pariahs among the nations because of an unresolved border dispute involving their country. Now it is Jews born anywhere else in the world who can be targeted in the same way. They are singling out Jews -- Jews and only Jews. And their singling out of Jews, wherever they are from, makes their racist motivation abundantly clear. If the Rototom Sunsplash festival wants to take part in this racist BDS fever then it is them -- and not Jews -- whom the world must make into global pariahs.
 

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Doesn't Israel demand recognition as a precondition to many things? Is that really so different.
Yes, Israel demands that as a condition for a peace deal, the Palestinian government recognizes Israel's right to live in peace.


What would have happened if an Arab rapper performed a "death to Israel" song at the show? I bet you he would have been banned.
Does this reggae star have any songs about 'death to Palestine'? No, you're up to your usual bullshit. Shit, the guy isn't even Israeli. They just demanded that he 'endorse a Palestinian state' before they let him play. Talk about neo-McCarthyism.


Maybe for my next contract they should demand I sign a document against the IRA bombings or British colonialism just because of my ethnicity.
 

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Yes, Israel demands that as a condition for a peace deal, the Palestinian government recognizes Israel's right to live in peace.



Does this reggae star have any songs about 'death to Palestine'? No, you're up to your usual bullshit. Shit, the guy isn't even Israeli. They just demanded that he 'endorse a Palestinian state' before they let him play. Talk about neo-McCarthyism.


Maybe for my next contract they should demand I sign a document against the IRA bombings or British colonialism just because of my ethnicity.
Considering all the frenzy over Mel Gibsons racist utterings I don't really see the difference. The fact is, he is or has been affiliated an orthodox organization that has some pretty uncompromising views in regard to the Israeli/Palestinian peace process.

If you were a former member of the IRA and that conflict was still ongoing, you can bet there would be some issues you may some up against if you were a performance artist.
 

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Yet up until the end of the Ottoman empire, there was absolutely no distinction between what we now call Syrian, Jordanian, Lebanese, and Palestinian. In fact they were all part of the same Ottoman province.

The Palestinian people do exist now based on the past 70 years. (especially considering that both groups claim historic ties) Fact is that no amount of historical claims justifies anything. What justifies the existence of Israel and a Palestinian state is that the people there for the past 70 years want them. Israeli society as a whole accepts the concept of a two state peace despite the vocal comments by some. Unfortunately the Palestinians elected a party that is more interested in destroying Israel than building their own state.


The structure of a two state peace is obvious to most. Olmert even offered essentially the same deal that the Arab League promotes. Politics of hate unfortunately got in the way of that offer moving forwards.
He never really made such an offer, and shortly after Israel attacked Gaza. It was a sham, just like the whole peace process. Its funny how you make a big deal about 70 years when the formation of Israel was based on some sort of biblical fairytale.
 

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I find the term 'Jew hater' and 'anti semitic' on terb too easily thrown at anyone who dares to oppose any official Israeli policy or criticism of Israeli continued occupation and oppression of the original Palestinian inhabitants.
On the other hand, some people go to rather extreme lengths to try to defend clear acts of Jew hatred.

One of my favourites in recent years was the debate about Hamas spokesman Osama Hamden saying it is a "historical fact" that Jews kills Christians so they can use their blood for Passover.

http://www.jpost.com/International/...amas-spokesman-on-blood-libel-comments-370128

According to a couple of the self-proclaimed "anti-Zionists" on TERB, Hamden's comments were "taken out of context." I never did get a clear answer about what context could possibly legitimize such remarks.

Hamden's remarks had nothing to do with Israeli policies. If you're going to defend such rubbish, don't be surprised if people think you might be an anti-Semite.
 

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Hey Fuji. If u read any of my previous posts you'd know that I am jewish. I am not a jew hater. But the idea that we can say all jews have a right to live in Israel cause our bible stories r true and yet Arabs have no claim to their land cause they're totally full of shit assumes that isrsel is always right and perfect and any one who contest anything they say is totally wrong. Which means the world revolves around Israel just like every nation thinks the world revolves around them. Their r many Israelis who r scared shitless about having to absorb 3 million Palestinians as a result of Israel's non stop settlement policy. And those Israelis r also part of the bds effort as a way of reigning in the policies of an israel highjacked by settlers. But if isrsel wants to keep the land zai gazent. Then they have to grant all the Arabs East of the Jordan and in Gaza full access to Israeli elections , and full access to Israel's legal system. And an Arab who gets shot for walking to close to a separation barrier or who has their home destroyed cause the Israelis want their land ....those things have to be brought before a fair and impartial legal system so all people have the same rights. One religious group should not have anequivicable dominion over another based on which religion is in vogue right now.
Now u see??? I'm obviously an antisemite as r the 8000 Israeli soldiers who t part of breaking the silence, as r the peace now movement , as is miko peled and Yitzhak Rabin and any one else who thinks a country based on religion is s flawed idea.
 

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