The Lotto.....let's go boys!! (and gals!!)

[Toke]

Starting this thread in hopes that we'll get some great ideas of how to crack the lotto. Hopefully people will provide how they go about picking, and playing their numbers.

I'll start. What I do is use a little research from different sites, and pick my numbers. After that I plug them into the OLG's site to make sure they have never come up. I then keep the combinations which have had the LEAST success and play them. The laws of average basically state that every line has equal chance of coming up 6/6, and this law should apply to getting as little as 3 or more. I try to never use a line that has come up at even 4/6, but I don't use rediculous lines like 2,4,6,8,10,12 or 20,21,22,23,24,25...

Anybody got any better ideas??

 

[stocksnbonds]

Starting this thread in hopes that we'll get some great ideas of how to crack the lotto. Hopefully people will provide how they go about picking, and playing their numbers.

I'll start. What I do is use a little research from different sites, and pick my numbers. After that I plug them into the OLG's site to make sure they have never come up. I then keep the combinations which have had the LEAST success and play them. The laws of average basically state that every line has equal chance of coming up 6/6, and this law should apply to getting as little as 3 or more. I try to never use a line that has come up at even 4/6, but I don't use rediculous lines like 2,4,6,8,10,12 or 20,21,22,23,24,25...

Anybody got any better ideas??

I know you guys probably won't believe me, but since I am a math guy and I work in probabilities all day every day, I say this in the friendliest way possible : there is no way to crack the lotto. There never was and never will be. It's a game of chance. The "gambler's fallacy" is what gets people all the time - since a number has never won the 649 it's "due". But it's scientifically proven to be a false idea. ANY number you pick has the exact same chance of winning whether it's won once or 100 times before. The notion that it's somehow predictable is reinforced by something called the random noise theory... if 1 million people all come up with a superstition on how to pick the numbers, then one of them by pure chance wins the lotto, legions of people forget that there were 999,999,999 theories that were bogus and convince themselves that the guy won because of that theory he had. Somehow our brains are wired to not want to believe that anything is random and to see a deeper meaning that's not there. Sorry to be the contrarian, but you can research for years, and i could walk in and buy a ticket and my chances are exactly as good as yours.

 

[Hurricane Hank]

To summarize: Every draw is independent of all other draws.

 

[newguy27]

agreed...how can anyone think that the lotto machines remember what the last draw was. completely random and independent if they are working as they should.

 

[Fred Zed]

But it's scientifically proven to be a false idea. ANY number you pick has the exact same chance of winning whether it's won once or 100 times before.

That is true BUT what professional gamblers do is they look at the properties
of the numbers drawn as a group. In other words you are not estimating the probability of a particular
number being drawn. You are estimating the probability of certain number sets being drawn.

So for instance if you look at the properties
of the numbers drawn for ONT Keno you will find the following:
-average 10 even 10 odd
-average 6 repeaters from last draw
-average 10 high and 10 low per draw
-average 5 prime numbers per draw
-average 4 triangular numbers per draw
-average 70% of the numbers drawn from the 3 last draws
-average 4 numbers drawn from ANY group of 12 numbers picked randomly
-any number will repeat within 4 draws on average


etc

22-Oct-2008 WINNINGS FOR DAILY KENO
Number of Winners

7/7

0

0

0

0

$5,000.00

6/7

18

You can go back as far as you like, you will find these parameters to remain
fairly constant. I challenge you to review the data for yourself.

Now you said you have a math background. It is possible to devise systems
that incorporate the parameters of the Lotto game. Can you do better this way than someone who randomly picks his combinations ? The answer is YES !
Not in the sense that you will win the jackpot, but over time you will on average get more of your money refunded than someone who randomly picks his combinations (eg via QUICK PICKS). You see the 18 people
with 6/7 for Keno on 22 October ? 4 of those combinations are mine.

Look for books by Robert Serotic ( he is also a mathematician - he won several jackpots over the years ) you will find some creative ways of mixing your numbers. Complex as the game of Lotto is, it never hurts to do some reverse engineering !

 

[Toke]

So anybody wanna share their method of picking 6/49 numbers????

 

[Hurricane Hank]

Pick 6 even numbers and 6 odd numbers. Over the course of a million draws, there should be roughly the same amount of even numbers drawn as odd. The problem is, this week there may be six even, and next week there may be six odd.

 

[Horny_69]

haha honestly i try to pick 1-2 numbers in random that where drawn in the last 3 draws..its seems numbers to come up again/again.

I love number 38 its one of the most drawn numbers

HERE ARE THREE PROVEN METHODS TO HELP YOU HIT MORE FREQUENTLY

This is a proven method and as well you can go back into 6/49 results and see that it is very true.

Your 1st number should be between 1-13
Your 2nd number should be between 3-23
Your 3rdnumber should be between 10-33
Your 4tj number should be between 18-40
Your 5th number should be between 27-46
Your 6th number should be between 38-49

Just look at the last 8 Draws for 6/49--ALL FALL into this above

October 22, 2008 8 9 12 20 42 45
October 18, 2008 11 13 26 32 34 44
October 15, 2008 7 9 15 21 38 40
October 11, 2008 7 8 23 38 39 45
October 8, 2008 4 13 19 32 40 45
October 4, 2008 12 19 23 25 36 46
October 1, 2008 2 8 22 29 34 48
September 27, 2008 11 19 29 33 44 46


Another Method is adding up your selections THE SUM of your 6 numbers.

Look since 1982

If your total is between 121 to 140 it has been drawn 502 times or 19.43%
If your total is between 141 to 160 it has been drawn 643 or 24.89 %
If your total is between 161 to 180 it has been drawn 536 or 20.75%

And one last method I will share is having mixing up how many EVEN versus ODD numbers you have in your 6 number selection

Look at this since 1982

If you had 2 Odd numbers & 4 even numbers came up 577 times or 22.34%
If you had 3 Odd numbers & 3 even numbers came up 857 times or 33.18%
If you had 4 Odd numbers & 2 even numbers came up 655 times or 25.36%
If you had 5 Odd numbers & 1 even number came up 257 times or 9.95%

Hope this helps out

 

[Fred Zed]

Take all 49 numbers
define: numbers ending in digit 1-5 as low
define numbers ending in digit 6-0 as high.

Many draws will have 3 low/3 high as defined this way
Now, for Lottario the ratio of low / high defined this way
is 25/20
Hence you will find for Lottario for many draws the ratio of low numbers is higher. Same for Super 7.
Even for 649. the ball machine seems to favor low numbers as defined this way: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=131626.

Methods that seem to get results rely on key numbers. You guess
2 or 3 numbers - you wheel for the the remaining numbers from sets of
6-12 numbers.
If your key numbers are drawn, you have a good shot at winning some serious coin -
assuming the balance of your sample contains some of the winning numbers.

 

[Hurricane Hank]

The problem is that your 2 or 3 numbers will seldom, if ever, appear together.

 

[Fred Zed]

The problem is that your 2 or 3 numbers will seldom, if ever, appear together.

yes..they will eventually. The problem is they may not appear this coming
draw, or the one after that, they may even appear next year or 5 years later. Many people play Lotto as part a group and a such they tailor their combos for long-term playing, not just the next draw. Plus keep in mind if your key numbers contain 1 or 2 correct numbers you could still nail a handsome second prize.

 

[johnhenrygalt]

I know you guys probably won't believe me, but since I am a math guy and I work in probabilities all day every day, I say this in the friendliest way possible : there is no way to crack the lotto. There never was and never will be. It's a game of chance. The "gambler's fallacy" is what gets people all the time - since a number has never won the 649 it's "due". But it's scientifically proven to be a false idea. ANY number you pick has the exact same chance of winning whether it's won once or 100 times before. The notion that it's somehow predictable is reinforced by something called the random noise theory... if 1 million people all come up with a superstition on how to pick the numbers, then one of them by pure chance wins the lotto, legions of people forget that there were 999,999,999 theories that were bogus and convince themselves that the guy won because of that theory he had. Somehow our brains are wired to not want to believe that anything is random and to see a deeper meaning that's not there. Sorry to be the contrarian, but you can research for years, and i could walk in and buy a ticket and my chances are exactly as good as yours.

You are tilting at windmills. Assuming that the draws are random, none of the "methods" suggested in this thread improve one's odds of winning a single bit. You know it and anyone who understands probability knows it. And it is not difficult to prove that these methods will not improve one's odds. The "sum of the numbers" or the "pick the 'delta' between consecutive numbers" are the biggest jokes, since when you run the true probabilities, they come out to exactly the same result as randomly picked numbers. But the gamblers will not listen; they will not understand; and since the government runs this gambling racket, as a taxpayer I thank them for paying the fool's tax.

 

[Toke]

Wow, a lot of harsh responses. I just started this thread for the fun of finding out how others 'play' the lottery and a way to share some of the ways that I pick my numbers. Yes, I know every draw, and every number within a draw is totally random and independent of other draws. However, a pattern has formed over time. Is this pattern carved in stone?? No. If it was then the lotto would have been 'cracked' a long time ago.

I start a thread for those who play to share their methods, and/or success stories, and half the posts are about how there is no sure-fire system. I know that. If that wasn't the case then we'd be splitting the jackpot millions of times every week. Sheesh... lighten up.

Like the line about it not being cheating unless you're caught, no system works until you win. Check this site out... http://www.smartluck.com/testimonials.htm Have I used it? Nope. But if these stories are true, and I have my reservations, then these people are gonna swear that there IS a system that works and they found it. This thread is hopefully fun, and maybe someone will make a couple of bucks off of it. Hell, if they do, they'll probably say that TERB helped them win.

 

[Fred Zed]

Wow, a lot of harsh responses.
I start a thread for those who play to share their methods, and/or success stories, and half the posts are about how there is no sure-fire system. I know that. If that wasn't the case then we'd be splitting the jackpot millions of times every week. Sheesh... lighten up.

Like the line about it not being cheating unless you're caught, no system works until you win. Check this site out... http://www.smartluck.com/testimonials.htm Have I used it? Nope. But if these stories are true, and I have my reservations, then these people are gonna swear that there IS a system that works and they found it. This thread is hopefully fun, and maybe someone will make a couple of bucks off of it. Hell, if they do, they'll probably say that TERB helped them win.

I have no reason to doubt the testimonials at the Gail Howard site.

I have searched the web, I never found anything to suggest that
the testimonials are false.
Robert Serotic is another one.
He has written several books on Lotto Systems - he won
several jackpots ( about 9 over a ten year period ) though I imagine most of the jackpots were
relatively small. I myself have won 4 small jackpots so far this year
3 for $5000 each , one for $10,000( 3 of these in February of this year, one in July)...so you could say that I was very lucky, but I like to think that the main reason for my winnings was that I had a good system in place.

 

[abstinent]

I have no reason to doubt the testimonials at the Gail Howard site.

I have searched the web, I never found anything to suggest that
the testimonials are false.
Robert Serotic is another one.
He has written several books on Lotto Systems - he won
several jackpots ( about 9 over a ten year period ) though I imagine most of the jackpots were
relatively small. I myself have won 4 small jackpots so far this year
3 for $5000 each , one for $10,000( 3 of these in February of this year, one in July)...so you could say that I was very lucky, but I like to think that the main reason for my winnings was that I had a good system in place.

people who arent convinced are missing out. let em be....
any other wins lately, or close calls? 3 4/4s 1 7/8 and 2 5/6s here.
Ive heard of Robert Serotic, but I might just take a look at his books(theres soo many?,) what methods does he really use that Gail doesnt?

 

[key26]

People here are saying that Robert is painting houses in California so he must have lost money or ..?

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/136620

"Last I heard he was painting houses in Calforinia. He reached too far too fast trying to run a lotto business, publish a magazine, promote software, host seminars, got over extended and got into money trouble. Supposedly he was told to stay out of the lotto biz. Judges don't really understand what we do here, they think it is a scam someone claiming to know how to win the lottery.

You can still find all of the books except the last one with 500 wheels and the Pivot System which you can get free from Lotto-Logix see the top of the free lotto games page. http://www.lotto-logix.com/games.html

If you have The Only Way To Win At Lotto, you really don't need the others.

BobP"

 

[Fred Zed]

People here are saying that Robert is painting houses in California so he must have lost money or ..?

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/136620

"Last I heard he was painting houses in Calforinia. He reached too far too fast trying to run a lotto business, publish a magazine, promote software, host seminars, got over extended and got into money trouble. Supposedly he was told to stay out of the lotto biz. Judges don't really understand what we do here, they think it is a scam someone claiming to know how to win the lottery.

You can still find all of the books except the last one with 500 wheels and the Pivot System which you can get free from Lotto-Logix see the top of the free lotto games page. http://www.lotto-logix.com/games.html

If you have The Only Way To Win At Lotto, you really don't need the others.

BobP"

sure, it is easy to lose everything..apparently he did win lots of money though.
I am not sure how much exactly. I have one of his books.
I can see that it would be possible for someone to win using his system ...so
for those who play as a group I would recommend his books.
Systems that use wheels are often too expensive for the individual player.
Recently some combinations I have done for Keno
using has wheels have performed very well.
For example, three of the combinations
I prepared for Keno October 19 would have hit 8/8 had I replayed
them October 24.

You can still find all of the books except the last one with 500 wheels and the Pivot System which you can get free from Lotto-Logix see the top of the free lotto games page. http://www.lotto-logix.com/games.html

wrong - different person, Robert Serotic NOT Robert Perkis
________________________________________________________________________
Is it possible the Lotto Corporations bought him out ?

About the author
Robert Serotic is a scientist in the field of numbers, the Lotto and Pool Systems, and system analysis. He has collaborated with the renowned pool and lotto bettor W.Kolb since the age of sixteen (Kolb won more than 20 jackpots in lotto and pool games between the years 1957-1982). After completing his studies in the field of mathematics and physics, Serotic worked as a scientific analyst of management for large industrial firms.
He has conducted independent studies for Lotto and Pool games. Serotic's results in the field of number systems research often came as a shock to many specialists and bettors, but his success in numbers betting proves his competency - nine jackpots between 1964 - 1984, two of which were won in two successive weeks.(Pressburg, December 1981) (Inside iacket comments)

 

[plunker]

I pick the exact winning numbers from the previous draw.

 

[Fred Zed]

I pick the exact winning numbers from the previous draw.

Not a bad strategy for Keno or Pick 3,
sometimes the numbers repeat the following draw.
649 has never repeated all six numbers in it's entire history so you may have to wait
for your jackpot for a long time. For super 7 last week
you would have won a free ticket.
---------------------------------
Super 7
24-Oct-2008

13 14 25 26 27 35 40
--------------------------------
17-Oct-2008

13 14 15 25 36 38 44

 

[King Elessar]

I know you guys probably won't believe me, but since I am a math guy and I work in probabilities all day every day, I say this in the friendliest way possible : there is no way to crack the lotto. There never was and never will be. It's a game of chance. The "gambler's fallacy" is what gets people all the time - since a number has never won the 649 it's "due". But it's scientifically proven to be a false idea. ANY number you pick has the exact same chance of winning whether it's won once or 100 times before. The notion that it's somehow predictable is reinforced by something called the random noise theory... if 1 million people all come up with a superstition on how to pick the numbers, then one of them by pure chance wins the lotto, legions of people forget that there were 999,999,999 theories that were bogus and convince themselves that the guy won because of that theory he had. Somehow our brains are wired to not want to believe that anything is random and to see a deeper meaning that's not there. Sorry to be the contrarian, but you can research for years, and i could walk in and buy a ticket and my chances are exactly as good as yours.

Word.