The demise of the dollar

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In a graphic illustration of the new world order, Arab states have launched secret moves with China, Russia and France to stop using the US currency for oil trading

By Robert Fisk

Tuesday, 6 October 2009

In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning – along with China, Russia, Japan and France – to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.

The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong, may help to explain the sudden rise in gold prices, but it also augurs an extraordinary transition from dollar markets within nine years.

The Americans, who are aware the meetings have taken place – although they have not discovered the details – are sure to fight this international cabal which will include hitherto loyal allies Japan and the Gulf Arabs. Against the background to these currency meetings, Sun Bigan, China's former special envoy to the Middle East, has warned there is a risk of deepening divisions between China and the US over influence and oil in the Middle East. "Bilateral quarrels and clashes are unavoidable," he told the Asia and Africa Review. "We cannot lower vigilance against hostility in the Middle East over energy interests and security."

This sounds like a dangerous prediction of a future economic war between the US and China over Middle East oil – yet again turning the region's conflicts into a battle for great power supremacy. China uses more oil incrementally than the US because its growth is less energy efficient. The transitional currency in the move away from dollars, according to Chinese banking sources, may well be gold. An indication of the huge amounts involved can be gained from the wealth of Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar who together hold an estimated $2.1 trillion in dollar reserves.

The decline of American economic power linked to the current global recession was implicitly acknowledged by the World Bank president Robert Zoellick. "One of the legacies of this crisis may be a recognition of changed economic power relations," he said in Istanbul ahead of meetings this week of the IMF and World Bank. But it is China's extraordinary new financial power – along with past anger among oil-producing and oil-consuming nations at America's power to interfere in the international financial system – which has prompted the latest discussions involving the Gulf states.

Brazil has shown interest in collaborating in non-dollar oil payments, along with India. Indeed, China appears to be the most enthusiastic of all the financial powers involved, not least because of its enormous trade with the Middle East.

China imports 60 per cent of its oil, much of it from the Middle East and Russia. The Chinese have oil production concessions in Iraq – blocked by the US until this year – and since 2008 have held an $8bn agreement with Iran to develop refining capacity and gas resources. China has oil deals in Sudan (where it has substituted for US interests) and has been negotiating for oil concessions with Libya, where all such contracts are joint ventures.

Furthermore, Chinese exports to the region now account for no fewer than 10 per cent of the imports of every country in the Middle East, including a huge range of products from cars to weapon systems, food, clothes, even dolls. In a clear sign of China's growing financial muscle, the president of the European Central Bank, Jean-Claude Trichet, yesterday pleaded with Beijing to let the yuan appreciate against a sliding dollar and, by extension, loosen China's reliance on US monetary policy, to help rebalance the world economy and ease upward pressure on the euro.

Ever since the Bretton Woods agreements – the accords after the Second World War which bequeathed the architecture for the modern international financial system – America's trading partners have been left to cope with the impact of Washington's control and, in more recent years, the hegemony of the dollar as the dominant global reserve currency.

The Chinese believe, for example, that the Americans persuaded Britain to stay out of the euro in order to prevent an earlier move away from the dollar. But Chinese banking sources say their discussions have gone too far to be blocked now. "The Russians will eventually bring in the rouble to the basket of currencies," a prominent Hong Kong broker told The Independent. "The Brits are stuck in the middle and will come into the euro. They have no choice because they won't be able to use the US dollar."

Chinese financial sources believe President Barack Obama is too busy fixing the US economy to concentrate on the extraordinary implications of the transition from the dollar in nine years' time. The current deadline for the currency transition is 2018.

The US discussed the trend briefly at the G20 summit in Pittsburgh; the Chinese Central Bank governor and other officials have been worrying aloud about the dollar for years. Their problem is that much of their national wealth is tied up in dollar assets.

"These plans will change the face of international financial transactions," one Chinese banker said. "America and Britain must be very worried. You will know how worried by the thunder of denials this news will generate."

Iran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
 

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The genesis of the decline of the USD actually started in the 1960's when the U.S. funded the VietNam war by printing money instead of raising taxes.
The banking crisis of 2008 was "solved" by again cranking up the printing press to the point where other countries are starting to say we won't accept your paper money.

The Middle East and Africa will fall under China's sphere of influence for two major reasons:
1) The Chinese are not White English speaking Christians.
2) The Chinese are unencumbered by respect for human rights, political correctness and cries of "torture". In the famous words of Ghengis Khan: "You win respect by killing people and not by kissing their asses."
 

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The Middle East and Africa will fall under China's sphere of influence for two major reasons:
1) The Chinese are not White English speaking Christians.
The Chinese (government) are also anti-religious, big time, so there may be a bit of a contradiction here.

But Chinese girls pussy have nice bush, that will help the White guys.

Gyaos Baltar.
 

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But Chinese girls pussy have nice bush, that will help the White guys.

Gyaos Baltar.
But after Chinese girls come to America, after awhile they start to go bushless....:p



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The Chinese (government) are also anti-religious, big time, so there may be a bit of a contradiction here.

But Chinese girls pussy have nice bush, that will help the White guys.

Gyaos Baltar.
Man, are you on crack or something?

The US is going to face a rude awakening when they are forced to start issuing debt in foreign currencies.
 

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The US is going to face a rude awakening when they are forced to start issuing debt in foreign currencies.
Think they are counting on the Bernie Madoffs they still have that weren't locked up to dream up some newer and better Ponzi scheme to cover that.....:D



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Ignoring the point that we've been hearing about these "secret" meetings for a number of years now.....

What would China, that has it's currency artificially tied to the USD, gain from pricing oil in something other than dollars? I'm sure China (because of it's ownership of US debt) and Japan (because it depends on it's trade surplus with the US) have much to worry about with a decline in the dollar.... I don't see however why they would want to accelerate it.

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Ignoring the point that we've been hearing about these "secret" meetings for a number of years now.....

What would China, that has it's currency artificially tied to the USD, gain from pricing oil in something other than dollars? I'm sure China (because of it's ownership of US debt) and Japan (because it depends on it's trade surplus with the US) have much to worry about with a decline in the dollar.... I don't see however why they would want to accelerate it.

OTB

At what point do you cut your loses and run?

The Japanese were laughed at and took large losses when they first started shipping automobiles to North America. Who wanted a Datsun B-210 in 1970? But the Japanese took a longer view of business and market penetration, one that has now seen them displace the American's.

I am guessing that both China and Japan are taking a look at the USD and thinking that the longer they stay in, the riskier it will be. The US does not seem to be making any move to change its banking system or address the fundamental problems with its economy. As well, China and the US have been locked in an undeclared cold war for years now. China resents the US in what China see's as it's sphere of influence.

Japan seems to be reading the tea leaves and probably worries that the US will no longer be able to protect it from a hostile China, and that Japan is best protected by a friendly China.

There was plenty of chatter when the US invaded Iraq that the real reason was that Iraq was getting ready to move off the PetroDollar and move to the Euro.

This move away from the USD as the "world" currency should not be seen as a surprise.
 

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There exist already an alternative to the $US as a reserve currency, in
the IMF drawing rights, which consists of a basket of $US 44%, Euro 34%,
yen 11% and Pounds 11%.
The agreeemet about these rights expire in 2010, and if a few more currencies
of emerging economic powers were added, that could work for the oil price.
 

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The U.S. should keep working on hydrogen fuel cell development. The Middle East will be singing a different tune, when the oil demand of the automotive sector is eliminated.
 

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At what point do you cut your loses and run?

The Japanese were laughed at and took large losses when they first started shipping automobiles to North America. Who wanted a Datsun B-210 in 1970? But the Japanese took a longer view of business and market penetration, one that has now seen them displace the American's.

I am guessing that both China and Japan are taking a look at the USD and thinking that the longer they stay in, the riskier it will be. The US does not seem to be making any move to change its banking system or address the fundamental problems with its economy. As well, China and the US have been locked in an undeclared cold war for years now. China resents the US in what China see's as it's sphere of influence.

Japan seems to be reading the tea leaves and probably worries that the US will no longer be able to protect it from a hostile China, and that Japan is best protected by a friendly China.

There was plenty of chatter when the US invaded Iraq that the real reason was that Iraq was getting ready to move off the PetroDollar and move to the Euro.

This move away from the USD as the "world" currency should not be seen as a surprise.
Japan - a friendly China.... LOL

It was telling where the worlds money ran when there was trouble.... that is, by definition, choosing a reserve currency.

I can see some commodities being priced with a basket of currencies.....

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The U.S. should keep working on hydrogen fuel cell development. The Middle East will be singing a different tune, when the oil demand of the automotive sector is eliminated.
Brazil has no oil and is completely energy self sufficient (ethenol).
 

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Brazil has no oil and is completely energy self sufficient (ethenol).
Exactly!
The USA & Canada could do the same were it not for the fact BIG OIL dictates energy policy.



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Hydrogen is the Key!

The U.S. should keep working on hydrogen fuel cell development. The Middle East will be singing a different tune, when the oil demand of the automotive sector is eliminated.
Jimmy Carter wanted to move to hydrogen over 30 years ago! Had his Project Independence Program been implemented, instead of scrapped by myopic Ronnie Reagan (at the behest of BIG OIL) your vehicles today would most likely be running on hydrogen!



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I think that rumors of the demise of the US dollar as a reserve currency are premature.
 

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But after Chinese girls come to America, after awhile they start to go bushless....:p



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lol - I wish the USA would have been " BUSH-less " oh about 8-1/2 years ago !! Just imagine how much better off each and every person woudl be right now had there been no George W. !!!
 

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The entire World would have been better off if there never was a Dubya....;)



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The USA & Canada could do the same were it not for the fact BIG OIL dictates energy policy.
Canada is already energy self-sufficient. We are an exporter of oil and we haven't tapped the Arctic yet.

The U.S. should raise the price of cheap gas to $5 a gallon to discourage oil consumption. BIG OIL is as bad or worse than BIG BANKS, at least banks don't pollute our environment.
 

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The fact BIG OIL pollutes, is all the more reason for a crash program to move us to hydrogen.



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