Thailand Report

[yoniluvrca]

I have been a long time member of TERB but have not been a frequent poster the past year as I have been spending time travelling in Europe and more recently Asia. Currently I am in England having returned from three wonderful months in Thailand two weeks ago. I thought I would take the time to post a report of my experiences and views on this hobby after having steeped myself in the Thai pooning culture.

I first arrived in Thailand last October and spent a week in Bangkok before heading to Bali and the Australia. After three months in Oz I felt to return to Thailand as my experiences there left me wanting more. This past March I again landed in the LOS (Land of Smiles) for an extended stay. Bangkok is an alive and vibrant city that every one with an interest in this hobby needs to visit at least once. I do realise that there is much more to Thailand than girls and bars. But as a person who has, on and off, regularly used the services of working ladies for the past 25 years, this was my main reason for visiting.

Much has been written on various other message boards detailing where to go and how to experience Thailand. The one I used most often is the World Sex guide. If you are interested in detailed stories, posts and pictures I refer you to this board. www.wsgforum.com

My first stop after Bangkok was the northern city of Chaing Mai. After the intense craziness of Bangkok, Chaing Mai seems calm and almost quiet. The go-go bars there are smaller and in many ways are easier to navigate. The girls seemed less concerned with hustling a man for the night an more interested in having fun. My most memorable night in C M was with a young lady who I met in a bar who took me on a tour of the after hour action in the city. We visited a couple of nightclubs, ending up in a small after hours disco some where on the out skirts of the town. It was a small club with a ratio of 60/40- hot non-pro Thaigirls/men

My arrangement with my guide was that she introduce me to her friends for which I paid her a fee and for her drinks etc. Admittedly this was an expensive arrangement for me but the advantage for me was that I could sit back and chose exactly who and what I wanted without any language issues and misunderstandings. My tour guide was also a bit of a lush and by the time I was set for the evening she was in no shape for any fun between the sheets. That night I ended up with Nut, a lovely 21 year old non-pro student who stayed with me, on and off, for several days. The sex was soft and slow for Nut, as are many of the Thai non-pros, was quite shy and surprisingly inexperienced in bed. My time with her was a gentle and highly enjoyable GFE that left both of us happy I feel. The one "danger" with non-pros is that it is all too easy to "fall in love" with them and start to get serious. Unless you have very deep pockets this can spell disaster. One reality of Thaigirls is that they do need money and all have families who need money. A steady head and a reality check is often needed. With this in mind I left C M and headed North to a mountain village called Pai.

too be cont.....

 

[yoniluvrca]

Pai (pronounced Bye) is a very small town in the far North of Thailand. I understand that it has grown exponentially in the past 5 years but it is still quiet and even cheaper than the rest of Thailand. I met up with friends in Pai and spent three weeks relaxing, writing and receiving traditional Thai massage. As far as I could make out there is little pooning activity in this town. There were no beer bars and certainly no go-go bars. The massage places I visited were all of the non-sexual variety, at least I was never offered anything other than a great Thai massage.

One interesting phenomena that I saw was that of farang men (foreigners) who come here to meet and marry a hill tribe woman. These men, many of them it seems are Danes, Swedes Norwegian and German, settle with a girl and her family in the tiny hill villages of Northern Thailand. Myself, I wonder for how long this would satisfy but then the guys I spoke to did seem very content and happy with life.

After three weeks in Pai I decided that it was time to get back to pooning. I chose the island of Koh Samui, in the Gulf of Thailand, as my next destination. There are several towns on Koh Samui and I decided that Chewang would be my base. I spent almost a month in Chewang living in a beach side bungalow at a cost of about 10 US$ per day.

I met my Koh Samui sweetie in a go-go bar after I had been there one week. Generally the go-go bars are not places to hook up with long time GFs but this girl, Mon, seemed to be an exception. My first night with her was expensive, about 60 US$. After choosing her and paying her bar-fine (the amount paid to the bar to release a girl from dancing for the evening) I was then asked to pay the Mamasan up front for my night with Mon. This is unheard of in Thailand but after speaking with the Mamasan, who assured me that if there was a problem I could speak with her the next day, I paid and off we went. The first night was very sweet but again I found myself with a rather inexperienced new girl. Never the less, we made love three times that night and when Mon left in the morning I was well satisfied.

Two nights later I was alone watching a movie at 1:00 am when a soft knock at the door caught my attention. I answered the door and Mon was standing, rather leaning, there a bit drunk but wanting to come in. I was a bit taken aback and wondered what was really going on. My suspicious mind made up all sorts of scenarios but I invited her in and made her comfortable on the bed with me. A funny thing then happened. I started to feel hot and steadily for the next hour a fever grew until I was quite delirious. For the next 24 hours Mon stayed with me and looked after me like an angel sent from heaven. She did not, as far as I could tell, sleep that night and spent the night mopping up my sweat with towels, covering me and uncovering me as needed. The next morning she left only to return in half an hour with juice, water and aspirin. She came and went that day often and in the evening, when the fever broke, she left for work. I tried to pay her for her time and trouble but she refused even to the point of finding, and giving back to me, 10 US$ that I slipped in her bag.

After this she would come and visit about every other night, arriving at about 1:00 am and leaving the next morning. Each time I would give her 20 US$ and she seemed quite happy with this arrangement as was I. Her love making got a bit wilder as we got to know each other and I tutored her on giving BJs which at first she was reluctant to do. On my off night with Mon I would frequent beer bars and took a couple of other ladies home for short time romps but none were as sweet as Mon.

After about a month on Koh Samui I ran into visa trouble which I won't detail here as it is a long and boring tale. The result was that I needed to travel back to Bangkok and visit the dreaded immigration police along with the Canadian Embassy. One week sorting this out and I was now without a passport or plane ticket (held by the immigration police) and under orders not to travel too far from Bangkok. I now chose to go to Pattaya, a beach town about 2 hours from Bangkok and probably a town with the highest number of working girls per square foot in the world.

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[havingfun]

Great stuff. Keep it coming. Your reviews, remind me that I am overdue a return trip to Thailand.

 

[RogerRabbit]

Nice report...

 

[Mr. Downtown]

This is better reading than watching the Lonely Planet show. Had some great times too in Chewang a long time ago. I'm envious of your current jorney.

 

[Snook.fr]

Where's the Rest.....? Where's the Rest?

Cool Reviews Indeed.....

 

[yoniluvrca]

cont.....

Thanks guys for the feedback and positive response to my report. I am having fun writing it as it brings up nice memories.

So I am on my way to Pattaya with a short stay in Bangkok to sort out immigration. By now I have been to Bangkok several times and it feels a bit like returning "home". The scene in Bangkok is very intense. There are so many ways to meet the ladies. Go-go bars, BJ bars, beer bars, street freelancers, disco freelancers, no-hands restaurants, regular massage parlours, soapy massage-the list is almost endless.

A memorable Bangkok night for me was with a very cute go-go girl, Rat (actually an appropriate nick name for this lady) and her friend. I have to admit here that I was hustled by these ladies but had a hell of a good time in the process.

The night I met Rat I was visiting a go-go bar that I seemed to enjoy because I liked one of the waitresses there. She would sit with me and even fool around a bit but was not really available to take home for some reason. On this particular evening she suggested that she chose a girl for me. I agreed and she pointed out Rat on the stage. I was smitten. One interesting thing that I noticed about go-go girls is they seem to have an ability to appear as you want them to appear. When I first saw Rat I imagined that she was fresh, young and innocent-just off the farm. We sat together and had a few drinks and then I suggested we spend the evening together. She was overjoyed and ran off to change.

When she returned we sat together for a while longer and she started to point out her friend on stage. It was her birthday, she told me, and wouldn't it be nice if we all went to the disco together. At first I was reluctant, but her friend (whose name escapes me now) was awfully cute and finally, after some teasing and kissing between the three of us I relented. By this time I was a bit drunk and into these to for a bit if cash already.

Off we went to the disco across the street where the girls danced together and with me, both very teasing with just the right amount of body contact to keep me getting more and more worked up. But I was beginning to realise that neither of these girls were innocent farm girls and I was being played quite heavily. By this time though I was hooked and the girls were reeling me in. And I was having fun.

After dancing came dining then back to the hotel. The sex with these two was quite hot. They were happy to play with one another and switched back and forth with me. After a couple of hours I was spent and happy to send the girls off though I refused to pay the long time rate we had agreed upon earlier as our sex session was not by Thai standards long time. No argument from the Rat as I think she still thought she had me hooked and was busily arranging our next evening together when she left. She had a couple of younger girlfriends it seems who would love to meet me. The next morning, wisely I think, I threw away her number and moved on. The whole evening had cost about 150US$-expensive I had a little regret at having been hustled so blatantly but managed to chalk it up to experience and I did have fun. I was also very admiring of Rat and how well she played me. It was like watching a very skilful trout fisherman land a trout-unfortunately I was the trout. But I did manage to jump out of the boat.

Next, Pattaya cont......

 

[onthebottom]

Keep it up, reminds me of my Asia/Pac days......

OTB

 

[yoniluvrca]

Pattaya was to be my final destination in Thailand. Before the visa problem I really had not considered going there as there are certainly much nicer beach towns in Thailand. As mentioned before though, I did not want to stray too far from Bangkok due to the immigration thing, and Pattaya seemed somehow the place to go.

Pattaya is about two and one half hours driving time from Bangkok. It is a fairly small town that is absolutely crammed with with beer bars and Thai ladies looking for men. There are also go-go bars here as well as plenty of massage places but it is the beer bars that really stand out when you arrive. A typical beer bar complex houses between 20 and 25 beer bars each one with between 12 to 15 ladies at or behind the bar. Walking past one of these places before the action starts in the evening you could feel like the most popular man in the world. Cries of "hello-welcome" in that very distinctive Thai girl accent constantly bombard you on the street. I had now been in Thailand long enough to start to find it a bit bothersome.

My first Pattaya lady I met on the night of the Italian formula one race. I was looking all over for a bar that would be showing the race. Most seemed to be showing football (soccer) but i was sure some one would be interested in auto racing. Finally I found a small bar with the pre-race show playing, ordered a beer and settled in for the race. I often wonder how the ladies negotiate with each other who is to sit with a man who enters the bar. So often when I enter one of these bars there will be a dozen or so ladies and perhaps 2 or 3 men. Of course if there is a particular lady you fancy it is up to you to contact her. Tonight though I was here to watch the race not chat up the ladies.

Never the less, one lady came to sit with me and we enjoyed some conversation while the race was on and during breaks. Nik was in her early 30's and had something quite attractive about her. Most of the ladies I had been with so far in Thailand were early 20's and, as it always seemed to turn out, quite inexperienced sexually. I liked this, playing teacher, but wondered what an older, more experienced lady would be like. At the end of the race I did not feel like any company that night but asked Nik if she would like to visit me the next afternoon to watch a DVD. We had talked about movies, she was also the first lady I spent time with who could actually hold a conversation in English, and I had a movie she wanted to see-The Last Samurai.

The next afternoon she arrived on time at noon, plenty of time before she was to be back at the bar in the evening. I was not really sure if this was to be just a movie date or perhaps more. I kind of enjoyed this uncertainty as one gets a bit used to sure things in Thailand constantly going with professional ladies. With Nik I had not negotiated anything and as far as I knew this was to be just a movie date. And perhaps I was just kidding myself here.

We started watching the movie on the bed. With in about 1/4 hour we were side by side and then the movie was forgotten. Off came the cloths and so began a rather vigourous love making session. As I mentioned she was much more experienced than the other girls I had been with and it was nice to just lay back and receive a top notch BJ. Later we watched the rest of the movie and then, after another round of sex, she left for work and I slept much of the evening. Later, I visited the bar and quietly slipped her some cash in an envelope. We never discussed anything about cash, and I probably could have got away with not paying anything, but these girls do have bills to pay and I had a really wonderful time with Nik.

My days in Pattaya were now being spent writing, with the occasional trip to the mall for a coffee. Air conditioning was really important to me by now as the heat and humidity was oppressive during the day. I would typically get up late and sleep some more in the late afternoon, early evening. I was getting a bit saturated with all the sexual encounters that I had had over the past months. I had found a bar with some ladies that I just liked to
just hang out with, drink some beers and play pool.

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[yoniluvrca]

At this point in my trip I thought the pooning was over. Perhaps I would go for a final massage before I left but the bar girl thing seemed tired. Walking along one of the many soi one night though I spotted Ao in a quiet beer bar and fell instantly "in love". In I went to get acquainted. Ao, I soon found out, was 25 years old and new to Pattaya. Many girls will tell you that they are new and I don't often believe them. There was a ring of truth to Ao's claim though. She hardly spoke English for one thing and she was almost uncomfortably shy. Communicating in "Thai English"(what your name-my name****) I managed to find out she had been living in Bangkok and had come to Pattaya to make more money. A common story. I know that many may be thinking that I was yet again falling for a hustle, but for her I was willing to fall far.

After a couple of beers for me and a cola for Ao, I invited her to come with me for a meal and a movie. Hey, it worked last time didn't it? I paid her bar fine and off we went to pizza hut. It was just like a high school date. I was infatuated with Ao. Unlike many girls she wore no make up and had a kind of western look. She wore faded jeans and a simple t-shirt. Despite the language barrier we had quite a few laughs and I was dying to get her to bed.

At the hotel I put on a movie, Kill Bill pt.1, and lay down on the bed with her to watch. This time we made it through the whole movie with just a few light kisses and some cuddling. I was willing to wait. After the movie the kisses got a bit heavier but I could tell she was not so comfortable. I suggested a shower to which she agreed. After the shower, now both in towels, we lay again on the bed. The kissing continued and eventually Her breasts were exposed and then the rest. What a beauty she was. I made my way down to her pussy and she was soaking wet. Performing DATY on Ao was pure heaven but when I finished and reached for a condom she again froze up on me.

At this point I realised that we needed some clarification about what was going on. I know that she is a hooker and I was paying for this, but her reluctance was making it seem some how wrong to me. Again in "Thai-English" I stated to question her. Eventually I extracted from her that she had never been with a farang before and she was scared shitless. I asked point blank if she wanted "boom-boom" to which she replied "no". Disappointment!!!!

So we lay together a while longer, just holding one another and I have to admit that it was a very sweet time. Then we got up and dressed. I explained to Ao that I did not feel that I could pay her much as we had really not done much. I gave her a couple of hundred baht for taxi and off she went. Before she left though we agreed to meet the next day for the afternoon.

To make a long story short-I spent every evening of my last week hanging with Ao at the bar. I asked her to come to my hotel once more and she declined. I quite lost my head over this girl and it is probably a good thing that soon it was time to leave. Perhaps she was playing me. I am sure all the "old Thai hands" would say so. And perhaps I will never know. Something about her though really did touch me. Now that I am back in the west I can see more clearly the gap that is between us both in age and experience. I think she will remain a very pleasant memory.

That is about it for my travels to date. I think I will make one more posting on this tread in a day or so with some final thoughts on Thailand and my over all impressions of the hobby there. Bye for now.

 

[Monsoon69]

My one or two concerns are, how do you know your not contributing to human trafficing, the country is well known for that in fact it's one of the worst for it. How do you really know their age? A thai girl who says she's 21 could easily be 16 or 14...and still being forced to do it, by a pimp or even her father.

Not questioning your enjoyment, but curious how you avoid giving your money to the wrong people?

 

[yoniluvrca]

In Thailand there are many different faces to prostitution. The main division that needs to be seen is that of the ladies that see farangs and those that see Thai men. Apparently the Thai market (those that see Thai men) is huge and as a westerner you will never see any of it at all. There are brothels all over the country and many of the ladies that work there are virtual slaves. There are many articles on the internet about this and several interesting books. This is also where most, but not all, of the underaged stuff takes place.

The market for westerners takes place in bars (go-go and beer bars) freelancers and massage parlours. Of the two types of bars the go-go bars seem to be where the girls can make more money. There is, as of quite recently, a great deal of scrutiny on these bars. The police are watching them and they often now stage raids to check for underaged girls. It is still a good idea though to check the girls ID yourself and the girls are used to this. One also needs to remember that the Thai's use a different calendar than we do and to make sure you know the right year that a twenty year old should be born in. This is the research you need to do if going to Thailand.

Pimping, as we know it, does not exist in the western market of Thai girls. I suppose one could argue that the bars are pimping the girls and in a way this would be true. The girls in the beer bars make little money for their work in the bar and would have to depend on the money they get directly from their customers. But they do keep all of that money as it only exchanges hands at the end of an encounter, not at the bar. The whole system of how the girls make money is quite complex. Really they engage in what is known as open ended prostitution. The girls often will accept less money from a man they like in the hopes that he will fall for them and then become a regular. Men will often find a girl that they like and then spend several weeks with them, paying them for their time as well as all expenses. It becomes a sort of mistress type relationship. They will then, hopefully, keep the man interested so that he continues to send money when he returns to the west. Some girls will have several of these types of relationships going on at once, juggling the men as they return to Thailand again and again.

As I mention there is tons of stuff, much of it quite scholarly, written about this and examining the reasons for why it works this way. On a personal level though I guess I just felt my way through. I always (except for the one time in Koh Samui) would pay the girl directly at the end of the encounter. In a massage parlour I would always hand the girl herself a tip as I know that the girls in massage parlours do not receive the full amount you pay to the establishment. And I did not often use massage parlours as the service there, while good, can often feel quite mechanical.

I will also address some of my over all feelings about Thai ladies and prostitution in general in my wrap up to this thread in a couple of days. It has changed how I see this hobby. Thanks for voicing your valid concerns in such a reasonable manner.

 

[NeeditWantit]

Very insightful thread. I look forward to your wrap up.

 

[yoniluvrca]

When I first arrived in Bangkok last October I reacted as many others do when arriving for the first time. I went a bit sex mad. I landed in the middle of Sukumvit, across the street from Nana Entertainment Complex. It actually took me a couple of days to discover Nana, but when I did I was an enthusiastic customer.

I also visited The Eden Club. Eden is a small bar that specialises in duos. Upon entering the girls line up along the wall on either side of a yellow line painted across the middle of the bar. The girls on the left do anal, those on the right do not. It is customary to chose a girl from the left and then allow her to chose her partner. The girls then collect a small suitcase full of soaps, lube condoms, vibrators and dildos and off you go next door to a short time hotel. Thus begins the ultimate PSE.

The bar is owned by a French ex-pat named Marc. Apparently he hand picks his girls and he guarantees the service that you will receive. If you are not 100% satisfied you do not have to pay. Payment takes place at the end of the encounter and I do not imagine that he has had many men who do not gladly to pay.

I visited Eden twice, both times I was blown away with the service. It is not gentle sex that you will receive here. The girls seem to take it as a challenge to see how many times they can make you cum in 1.5 hours. They are fully interactive and full of suggestions about what two women and a men can do together. The second time I was there I was tired from travelling and stated out right to the girls that this would be a one shot deal. Well with 15 minuets left girl number one took up the challenge despite my protests, and even my trying to stop her. I was soon "climbing happy mountain" again. It can be quite entertaining to watch a man who has visited Eden come stumbling out of the hotel with that exhausted look on his face of a man who has just been thoroughly fucked.

In this report I have focused on the girls that made an impression on me. I also had a number of encounters with girls who, for what ever reason, were quite forgettable. As anyone in this hobby for a long time will probably attest, chemistry still applies even when there is a financial arrangement.

I did notice, as mentioned before, that I seemed to attract, and be attracted to, a certain type of girl. I often ended up not having the wild and crazy sex that I imagined that I wanted. Rather, my best experiences were quiet and with a good deal of tenderness involved. This did involve some inner conflict on my part. After all I was paying these women. Should I not get what I wanted, how I wanted it? But much of the Thai sex scene takes place in a grey area of prostitution that is not so prevalent in the west. It is so open there, taking place in public where people play and work, and the line between customer and sp easily becomes blurred.

One reaction to this blurring seems to be that many men become quite hard (no pun intended) in their attitudes and start to refer to the ladies, literally in their posts on WSG, as "meat". While I have no wish to judge men with this attitude, I do find it quite disgusting. So many of the girls I met were such wonderful beings who just happen to live in a society where sex and companionship are openly bought and sold like any other commodity. They have families, hopes, dreams, tragedies, dramas, joys, fears and every other aspect of the human condition that we all share. For me, falling in love with them was all too easy. The difficulty lay in negotiating the barrier of social conditioning.

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[Plan8]

This gets better each day...

I hope you still have a weeks worth of adventure/commentary left

 

[yoniluvrca]

It seems to me that "love", as we approach it in the west, is a highly conditioned response to the need we have for closeness of being. We make unconscious and unacknowledged bargains with each other in order to keep it all stable and on an even keel. We seem to have a consensus agreement that love be a certain way and have certain rules and regulations.

For instance, when you love someone you are generally not allowed to have a certain type of intimacy with anybody else. This is not just physical intimacy. It also includes the intimacy that comes from sharing your inner experiences, hopes and desires. I am not suggesting that there is anything wrong with this, just that it needs to be recognised and seen as conditioning and not as a condition of love. It is possible to fall in love, just for one moment, and to be without the thought that that love will lead to anything other than the sweetness of feeling that exists in only that moment.

This love will not satisfy, it will not get you anything, it will not bring stability, safety or security. In fact it will more likely devastate you and open your heart in such a way that it bleeds and feels like it will never mend. Some where, or nowhere, in the madness though will be a quiet place that you slowly start to recognise as home. Somehow, in the insanity that is Thailand, I recognised this place in myself. The funny thing is that this recognition seemed to take place somehow outside of the dimension we call time. By this I mean that while I found it in Thailand, I also see that it was never not with me, it is/was/will be there all the time.

"Love", the cultural construct, in Thailand has a different set of conditions. The girls I met were not so competitive. They seemed more co-operative when it came to the men in the bars. If a lady started to talk to you and you wanted somebody else they would be more than happy to arrange a meeting.

The financial aspect of encounters in Thailand is often left until after the encounter. Girls will sometimes try to pin you down to an amount at the beginning but if you tell them that the your generosity will match theirs they are quite often willing to go with you. It is this aspect of trust that I think I find so endearing. They were willing to extend their trust to me and so I tended to extend my trust to them. For the most part it seems to work, and when it doesn't, I move on without resentment.

As I read the last part of this posting I wonder if it lies with in the scope of this board. In some ways it seems deeply personal. Yet it was what i experienced and therefore I will share it here. Nothing is over. I am now on a different part of my adventure but it is all part of the same adventure. There is plenty of material out there, for those who are interested, exploring the whole subject of sex and prostitution in Thailand. If anyone is interested I will post some links that I have found.

Thank you all for reading this and I hope that it stirs something in you.

YL

Cont.....

 

[zeebo]

Great thread. Sorry to bump a 5 year old post, but if you're still around could you post some of the links you're referring to.

 

[Ohyesuare]

Planning a trip to Thailand this year or early next year, anyone have any updated tips or suggestions? Would be most appreciated. Any guide suggestions as as well. And lastly what is a good price to pay for a return flight from Toronto?

 

[wetnose]

internationalsexguide.info is a heavily used board, similiar to terb. Look at the massage section, and the reports of distinction to get a start. With patience, all can be answered.

Thailand is really tourist friendly (it's their main industry) and you don't need a guide to get around the major sights. That being said, PM Jasmine Jazz and see if she'd like to help out with discounts/locals.

 

[Ohyesuare]

Much appreciated wetnose, I understand it is most likely exaggerated but Thailand seems like scam central which I am willing to risk but just want to be educated as much as possible before going.

I will check out the website you mentioned and definitely try to hit up Jasmine Jazz once my flight is booked, have been tempted to see her even before I thought of going to Thailand.