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Teen guilty of Rengel murder; Crown to seek adult sentence

Jury determines that girl "M.T." orchestrated slaying

Mar 20, 2009 04:16 PM
Peter Small
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A jury has convicted a 17-year-old girl of first-degree murder in the death of Stefanie Rengel, a Grade 9 student who was stabbed six times just steps from her Toronto home after being lured outside on New Years Day 2008.

By their verdict, the 12 jurors signalled that they believed the Crown's contention that the girl, who can only be identified as M.T., pressured her boyfriend into killing the 14-year-old girl, threatening to withhold sexual favours until the deed was done.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/605803
 

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I havne't been following but I'm guessing the boyfriend has been charged guilty already?
 

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LKD said:
I havne't been following but I'm guessing the boyfriend has been charged guilty already?
Not yet - he goes on trial later this year, though it looks like an open and shut case.

The idea here is the hitman one - the mastermind who hires the hitman to go and kill X is as guilty of X's death as the hitman who thrusts the knife into X. M.T. demanded her boyfriend kill the girl, and after nagging him for weeks said if you don't kill her, no sex for you. So (the complete moron) goes and kills the girl, shows up at M.T/s house, and upon revealing her has carried out the hit, is rewarded with his payment - sex.

While girls can be bitchy to each other without good reason (and the victim did nothing to M.T.) the real moron here is M.T.'s boyfriend. Come on man! Your girlfriend of the moment in a bitchy irrational vendetta against another girl tells you to go kill a 14 year in cold blood or no sex for you? He should have told her to go to hell and found a sane girlfriend. Whta idiot would actually go and do it, after telling friends "I have to go kill this girl to get my girlfriend off my back"? The Forest Gump saying "stupid is as stupid does" comes to mind. The guy is a moron with no backbone or common sense. He deserves to go to jail. As for M.T. - she sent her assassin to kill the innocent girl with premediated intent on her part and zero remorse afterwards - so she totally deserves Murder One. I'm just glad this crazy pair never got around to having kids.
 

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Something to wonder...with so many teenage girls and boys getting into violent crimes..what is the motivation? I know it could be jealousy, greed, etc..but the real underlying thought?...

To me it seems that the new generation feels - to win or overcome you need to FINISH your competition. Any guess how the seeds of this kind of solution planted?

It good to be competitive and aggressive in a sporting kind of way, but to take it to personal level??? I think some important lessons are missing either at school, home or thier gym.

It is really sad - for all the 3 families.

God bless

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alexmst said:
Not yet - he goes on trial later this year, though it looks like an open and shut case.

The idea here is the hitman one - the mastermind who hires the hitman to go and kill X is as guilty of X's death as the hitman who thrusts the knife into X. M.T. demanded her boyfriend kill the girl, and after nagging him for weeks said if you don't kill her, no sex for you. So (the complete moron) goes and kills the girl, shows up at M.T/s house, and upon revealing her has carried out the hit, is rewarded with his payment - sex.

While girls can be bitchy to each other without good reason (and the victim did nothing to M.T.) the real moron here is M.T.'s boyfriend. Come on man! Your girlfriend of the moment in a bitchy irrational vendetta against another girl tells you to go kill a 14 year in cold blood or no sex for you? He should have told her to go to hell and found a sane girlfriend. Whta idiot would actually go and do it, after telling friends "I have to go kill this girl to get my girlfriend off my back"? The Forest Gump saying "stupid is as stupid does" comes to mind. The guy is a moron with no backbone or common sense. He deserves to go to jail. As for M.T. - she sent her assassin to kill the innocent girl with premediated intent on her part and zero remorse afterwards - so she totally deserves Murder One. I'm just glad this crazy pair never got around to having kids.

They are kids after all, they know wnot what they do. That's why I wont have kids EVER. My days are done thinking about having kids, I just want to have good clean sex. Okay dirty sex is fun too.:rolleyes:
 

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They are kids after all, they know wnot what they do. That's why I wont have kids EVER.
or...

One can be a responsible parent, teach their children right from wrong, work on open communication, punish bad behavior from an early age, place limits on what the children are allowed to do, be there for them when in need, lead by example, meet the children's friends, meet he children's friends parents, get them involved in healthy extracurricular activities, teach them to express anger in a healthy way, teach them about sex, love, relationships, self-respect, spend time with them, be there for them, provide guidance, let them understand there are consequences for their actions.

I think that is called being a good parent.
 

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Agreed! Where were this 15 year old girl's parents when all of this was going on?

Planning a murder by talking &/or texting on a cell-phone? Having "after-murder" sex with her boyfriend?:eek:

While I agree with the conviction, I think her parents are equally culpable. Clearly they set no boundaries for their daughter, and raised her in an environment where she always got what she wanted.

Parents are responsible for teaching their children right from wrong, and these parents clearly are guilty of not doing so!
 

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hoser1970 said:
Parents are responsible for teaching their children right from wrong, and these parents clearly are guilty of not doing so!
You don't know that. Some people are born bad, despite the best efforts of their parents. A friend of mine has a couple of good children, and one nutcase. He is in and out of jail. His dad was also a nutcase, who was basically jailed for life right after conceiving the nutcase. She did her best to raise him, but he was always in his own world. I first met him when he was seven or so, you could tell that nothing you said really sunk in.

Do you really think that it is that easy to raise good children? That you just tell them right from wrong, and they behave? I have done my best to be a good parent, and I feel fortunate that my kids are good. But I think it is more my good luck than my skill.
 

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a 1 player said:
or...

One can be a responsible parent, teach their children right from wrong, work on open communication, punish bad behavior from an early age, place limits on what the children are allowed to do, be there for them when in need, lead by example, meet the children's friends, meet he children's friends parents, get them involved in healthy extracurricular activities, teach them to express anger in a healthy way, teach them about sex, love, relationships, self-respect, spend time with them, be there for them, provide guidance, let them understand there are consequences for their actions.

I think that is called being a good parent.
I agree with what you say 100%. The problem is YOUR kid may still be an innocent victim.
 

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I agree with what you say 100%. The problem is YOUR kid may still be an innocent victim.
That is a chance that we have to take. It's called living in an imperfect world. But, the rewards are tremendous and worth it. Over the years, I have come to realise how fortunate I am to have the kids I have, despite (or, in the face of) all the bad in the world.
 

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Mar 21, 2009 04:30 AM

Rosie DiManno, The Toronto Star

http://www.thestar.com/news/columnist/article/606069

A roseate flush creeps up the girl's neck, pink on pale.

She bends her head and for the first time – in this courtroom, from this teenager – there are tears.

When the defence lawyer places his arm consolingly around her shoulders, soft sobs erupt.

A court officer clamps handcuffs on her wrists, behind the back, and this part must be familiar by now, the click of confinement. She disappears behind a door, never turning around, never looking back.

In the moment of verdict – guilty in the first-degree for procuring the jealousy-infused murder of 14-year-old Stefanie Rengel – the accused and now pronounced guilty individual was not, in truth, the centre of voyeuristic attention.

It was her 11-year-old brother, in the first row on the right side, upon whom all eyes were riveted, pityingly.

When the jury foreman intoned "Guilty," it was this boy who convulsed in misery, burying his face in his soft, child-pudgy hands and crying loudly. No one present in the jammed courtroom, however hardened to the accused, could feel anything in those tortured seconds except sadness for all the innocent victims of this appalling crime: Two shattered families.

The boy used his shirt to wipe the wet from his cheek.

But his sister had not given the child her eyes. There was not a glance, as never there had been throughout this trial, for mother and father and grandmother either.

I will admit to fury at this final gesture of obliviousness from a murderess.

There was not a hint that M.T. felt any more lament for her little brother's anguish than she had for Stefanie's (LOL) death.

It was always and exclusively about her: the nuisance of Stefanie, the perceived threat of Stefanie, the provocation of Stefanie.

To give M.T. the enormous benefit of doubt, perhaps she was indeed privately consumed with shame and remorse, even though these are qualities not evinced in her behaviour – as revealed to the jury – in the months before or the hours after Stefanie's chillingly orchestrated killing.

But this is more likely only the projected sentiment of an observer; what ought to be the "normal" response over a life taken for ... nothing.

M.T. is not normal, not even within the shrill context of teenage melodrama and girl-on-girl spite. She has been, from plotting to murder to quasi-confession, a spectacle of morbid ambiguity.

On an adult, such emotional containment – sitting ever so quietly, unexpressive, just behind her lawyers – might be interpreted as stoicism. With a 17-year-old girl, it was simply evermore mystifying.

Who is she, M.T.?

What is she thinking?

Where does she direct the blame? There is nothing to suggest, even now, that she blames herself.
 

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why can't both be tried in parallel?
Not sure - maybe they wanted to try one first and get a conviction before going after the other one.

From today's Star:

"If Nordheimer grants the Crown application to have M.T. sentenced as an adult under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, she would get life in prison and be barred from applying for parole for five to seven years.

If sentenced as a youth, she would serve no more than 10 years – six in custody and the rest under conditional supervision.

After the slaying, M.T. invited D.B. to her house, where her parents were out. They made love, she later told a friend. It was his reward for a job well done, the Crown alleged." :eek:
 

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or...

One can be a responsible parent, teach their children right from wrong, work on open communication, punish bad behavior from an early age, place limits on what the children are allowed to do, be there for them when in need, lead by example, meet the children's friends, meet he children's friends parents, get them involved in healthy extracurricular activities, teach them to express anger in a healthy way, teach them about sex, love, relationships, self-respect, spend time with them, be there for them, provide guidance, let them understand there are consequences for their actions.

I think that is called being a good parent.
I know the boy, coached him in softball for one season and he helped me coach a youth girls team also one summer. He's had a troubled life for a long time, and didn't get much of what this poster has indicated here. I feel for him, only because I know he had the potential to be a good person if given the chance. He was on the road to success and had football scouts looking at him but he succumbed to manipulation and made a bad decision that he will pay for for the rest of his life.
 
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