Teen felt ‘degraded’ after teacher backed aikido student’s request to avoid touching

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A Nova Scotia high school student is asserting she was reduced to “second-class citizenship” after her Halifax aikido school followed provincial human rights law and accommodated a male student’s religious request not to touch his female classmates.

“I felt degraded, discriminated against, I felt like a woman in the 1950s,” said Sonja Power, 17, a former student at Halifax’s East Coast Yoshinkan Aikido, a school operated out of the city’s Lakeside Community Centre. “We wouldn’t allow someone using their religion to discriminate against someone’s race, so why would they use it to discriminate against somebody’s gender?”

Ms. Power, a resident of the Halifax suburb of Upper Tantallon, NS, had been a student at East Coast Yoshinkan since the age of six.

In the spring of 2012, Ms. Power, then 15, was just on the verge of earning her aikido black belt when she said a man enrolled at the school and told its owner that, for reasons of his Islamic faith, he was not allowed physical contact with women.


The request would not have been noticed in a pottery class or a fencing course, but Aikido — like any martial art — is uniquely physical. The ultimate effect, said Ms. Power, was that sessions were suddenly being divvied up by sex.

The school’s sensei (teacher), “would put all the women on one side and then offer a side for the Muslim man so there wouldn’t be any problems,” she said.

And when it came time for the customary end-of-class handshakes, “he would shake hands with all the other men in the dojo, but he wouldn’t even come over and look at the women … he just ignored us,” said Ms. Power.

The man also refused to bow, apparently telling the dojo’s sensei that he only bowed to Allah. Bowing is a big part of the Japanese martial art, and aikido students are expected to regularly bow to classmates, the sensei and the front wall of the dojo, which is traditionally adorned with portraits of aikido’s pioneers.

Along with her mother, Ms. Power said she approached the sensei with her concerns about the new environment, but was told that it was the student’s religious right. “[The sensei] told us to get used to it,” said Michele Walsh, Ms. Power’ mother.

Aiming to complete her training, Ms. Power nevertheless stayed in the school for another five months, but said her breaking point came when the male student began distributing religious literature.

In July of 2012, said Ms. Power, the student handed out copies of Islam; From darkness to light a booklet written by Toronto-based Islamic author Suhail Kapoor.

Several passages stuck out for the 15-year-old. “[When] a woman chooses to show her body in one form or another, the message is only one: she wants attention and possibly much more,” it reads. The booklet also authorizes husbands to administer a “light strike” to their wives in cases of “serious moral misconduct.”

“I couldn’t go to the same dojo with someone who thinks that way,” said Ms. Power.

“I thought why would someone’s religion — something that they choose to follow — trump my gender, which is something that I was born with?”

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Sounds like a whiny bitch to me.

I remember going to school dances and being turned down sometimes when asking a girl to dance.. That had nothing to do with religion, those were just snobby bitches.. At least this guy's got a reason beyond "I really don't want to have to touch somebody I'm really not attracted to"..

99 times out of 100 these ridiculous religious requests can be accommodated with very little effort. Whining about "having to accommodate" is pathetic and sad. Grow a sack and plunk some balls in there.. There's a lot worse shit out there than having to let some Muslim dude wash his feet in your sink (or in this case NOT touch a girl).
 

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orthodox jews , mormons, amish also believe in " hands off" until marriage

It is an esthetic that you should be allowed without question


not everyone wants to be a TERB
 
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From the article it would seem that her issue is not really with Nova Scotia Human Rights Law, but rather with how the aikido school chose to observe it in a heavy handed manner. They could just as easily set up male only classes for those who wanted such, and retained co-ed classes for those without such issues, rather than retaining one classes but then dividing it by gender.
 

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While I might side with the owner of the place in his support of the Extremist Muslim, I would not go so far as to agree that he should have agreed to the Muslim literature being handed out.

As the owner of the place, I might defer to a religious nuance, but when the handing of literature hurts my business and causes people to leave, as owner, the Muslim lad is being asked to not attend. He would be banned from my premise and subjected to trespassing charges should he return.

No Question.
 

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Sounds like a whiny bitch to me.

I remember going to school dances and being turned down sometimes when asking a girl to dance.. That had nothing to do with religion, those were just snobby bitches.. At least this guy's got a reason beyond "I really don't want to have to touch somebody I'm really not attracted to"..

99 times out of 100 these ridiculous religious requests can be accommodated with very little effort. Whining about "having to accommodate" is pathetic and sad. Grow a sack and plunk some balls in there.. There's a lot worse shit out there than having to let some Muslim dude wash his feet in your sink (or in this case NOT touch a girl).
She is not a whiny bitch at all. This male kid joined a class where is "religion" didn't allow him to follow any of the customs of the class. He wouldn't even bow to his sensei . In effect, he changed the ancient traditions of the class and even the make-up of the class to suit HIM because of his religion. Then, to add insult to injury, he hands out religious literature in class??? Seriously??

If you can't follow the traditions and rules of a class, don't join it. This kid shouldn't have been allowed to stay or they should have had a male-only class for such students who can't or aren't comfortable touching women.

Do you honestly think you could move to another country, sign up for a course or class, decide to change all the rules and customs of that class to suit yourself and the other people in the class would be ok with that??? That they SHOULD be ok with that, and they are all whiny bitches if they aren't?? Seriously?

Only in Canada, you say....
 

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While I might side with the owner of the place in his support of the Extremist Muslim, I would not go so far as to agree that he should have agreed to the Muslim literature being handed out.

As the owner of the place, I might defer to a religious nuance, but when the handing of literature hurts my business and causes people to leave, as owner, the Muslim lad is being asked to not attend. He would be banned from my premise and subjected to trespassing charges should he return.

No Question.
I agree with you 100%.

I have no problem if the guy wants no contact with women. I wonder what she would have said if a female sexual abuse survivor took the class and requested no contact with men?

Handing out the literature is disruptive though, and to my mind crosses the line and should have been prohibited/punished...unless he had let other students hand out other similar literature in the past.
 

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She is not a whiny bitch at all. This male kid joined a class where is "religion" didn't allow him to follow any of the customs of the class. He wouldn't even bow to his sensei . In effect, he changed the ancient traditions of the class and even the make-up of the class to suit HIM because of his religion. Then, to add insult to injury, he hands out religious literature in class??? Seriously??

If you can't follow the traditions and rules of a class, don't join it. This kid shouldn't have been allowed to stay or they should have had a male-only class for such students who can't or aren't comfortable touching women.

Do you honestly think you could move to another country, sign up for a course or class, decide to change all the rules and customs of that class to suit yourself and the other people in the class would be ok with that??? That they SHOULD be ok with that, and they are all whiny bitches if they aren't?? Seriously?

Only in Canada, you say....
Blah blah blah..

Look, I think it was really poor taste for the douche bag kid to come into class and hand out religious booklets that included passages about how shitty women are.. However, asking to not have to touch somebody of the opposite gender isn't that big a deal.. It's not that hard to accommodate..

No, I wouldn't move to another country and try to change things.. That is unless that other country was Canada... An immigrant fucking country.. That argument is getting really fucking old from Xenophobes.. There is no "Canadian" identity that hasn't been heaved upon the masses by immigrants.. It started hundreds of years ago when immigrants came to Canada and told the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada that they can go fuck themselves if they don't like our tearing down forests and shit to build our cities and farms and what not.. You think you're above this long held tradition of the new wave of immigrants shitting all over the current residents? Not very Canadian of you.
 

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She is not a whiny bitch at all. This male kid joined a class where is "religion" didn't allow him to follow any of the customs of the class. He wouldn't even bow to his sensei . In effect, he changed the ancient traditions of the class and even the make-up of the class to suit HIM because of his religion. Then, to add insult to injury, he hands out religious literature in class??? Seriously??

If you can't follow the traditions and rules of a class, don't join it. This kid shouldn't have been allowed to stay or they should have had a male-only class for such students who can't or aren't comfortable touching women.

Do you honestly think you could move to another country, sign up for a course or class, decide to change all the rules and customs of that class to suit yourself and the other people in the class would be ok with that??? That they SHOULD be ok with that, and they are all whiny bitches if they aren't?? Seriously?

Only in Canada, you say....
i agree- obviously the guy didn't like getting beat up by women
 

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She is not a whiny bitch at all. This male kid joined a class where is "religion" didn't allow him to follow any of the customs of the class. He wouldn't even bow to his sensei . In effect, he changed the ancient traditions of the class and even the make-up of the class to suit HIM because of his religion. Then, to add insult to injury, he hands out religious literature in class??? Seriously??

If you can't follow the traditions and rules of a class, don't join it. This kid shouldn't have been allowed to stay or they should have had a male-only class for such students who can't or aren't comfortable touching women.

Do you honestly think you could move to another country, sign up for a course or class, decide to change all the rules and customs of that class to suit yourself and the other people in the class would be ok with that??? That they SHOULD be ok with that, and they are all whiny bitches if they aren't?? Seriously?

Only in Canada, you say....
Why do you think he is a kid?

You do understand the responsibilities of the club owner under human rights law here in Canada don't you?
 

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Not saying this chap is an example, but there is a certain obnoxious mindset that might be at work, here.

Certain individuals like to push the boundaries of demanding too much. They seek out examples of actions and behaviours that are slightly over the boundary of what has been acceptable up to now.

Their main idea is to provoke those in authority. They really don't mind whether the new thing is accepted or refused. Either way, they can't lose. If they're accommodated, that reinforces their sense of power (and they push further and harder next time), and strengthens their standing among their fellows. If they are stepped on, that reinforces their victim status, and strengthens their standing among their fellow 'victims'. There's no downside - either way, it's all good.

Again, there's no proof this dude's motivation is to push his I'm-a-victim-of-discrimination status. But if it quacks like a duck . .
 

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Several passages stuck out for the 15-year-old. “[When] a woman chooses to show her body in one form or another, the message is only one: she wants attention and possibly much more,” it reads. The booklet also authorizes husbands to administer a “light strike” to their wives in cases of “serious moral misconduct.”

Isn't that against the law ???
 

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Several passages stuck out for the 15-year-old. “[When] a woman chooses to show her body in one form or another, the message is only one: she wants attention and possibly much more,” it reads. The booklet also authorizes husbands to administer a “light strike” to their wives in cases of “serious moral misconduct.”

Isn't that against the law ???
Doing that act is illegal. Talking about the morality of doing that act is not.
 

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Religion, the opiate of ignorance.

During the early days of the British Raj widows were burned alive with their deceased husbands. Sir William Sleeman response was , "fine have your tradition, you build your funeral pyre and we'll build our gallows". Over 400 Hindus who practice this ritual were hanged.

The stricter the religion the more junk rattling around in the closet. I'm sure our 15 year old Jihadist in training has had his fair share of sausage.
 

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The Ottoman Turks used to rape young Christian boys as part of their training to become Janisseries (the shock troops of the Empire).

Epic scene!

 

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We are so accommodating. Hey, here's one to send the bleeding-hearts into a spin: what if a devout Christian or Orthodox Jew wanted to be segregated from homosexuals, because their interpretation of their Scriptures makes them believe homosexuals are evil and they should not interact with them? Would they be OK with segregating the gays from the straights?
 

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Blah blah blah..

Look, I think it was really poor taste for the douche bag kid to come into class and hand out religious booklets that included passages about how shitty women are.. However, asking to not have to touch somebody of the opposite gender isn't that big a deal.. It's not that hard to accommodate..

No, I wouldn't move to another country and try to change things.. That is unless that other country was Canada... An immigrant fucking country.. That argument is getting really fucking old from Xenophobes.. There is no "Canadian" identity that hasn't been heaved upon the masses by immigrants.. It started hundreds of years ago when immigrants came to Canada and told the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada that they can go fuck themselves if they don't like our tearing down forests and shit to build our cities and farms and what not.. You think you're above this long held tradition of the new wave of immigrants shitting all over the current residents? Not very Canadian of you.
The Aboriginal Issue is separate from the wave of European immigrants who came to this country and had to conform (I know Italians that were told they were walking on the wrong side of the street - any excuse by 'white' cops to harass them).
 

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Doing that act is illegal. Talking about the morality of doing that act is not.
They are also instructing, not just discussing. Is hate being promoted here against women?

As for earlier comments, I would've kicked this guy out for passing out a leaflet. If I was a fellow student, a judo chop would have sufficed.
 

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She is not a whiny bitch at all. This male kid joined a class where is "religion" didn't allow him to follow any of the customs of the class. He wouldn't even bow to his sensei . In effect, he changed the ancient traditions of the class and even the make-up of the class to suit HIM because of his religion. Then, to add insult to injury, he hands out religious literature in class??? Seriously??

If you can't follow the traditions and rules of a class, don't join it. This kid shouldn't have been allowed to stay or they should have had a male-only class for such students who can't or aren't comfortable touching women.

Do you honestly think you could move to another country, sign up for a course or class, decide to change all the rules and customs of that class to suit yourself and the other people in the class would be ok with that??? That they SHOULD be ok with that, and they are all whiny bitches if they aren't?? Seriously?

Only in Canada, you say....
Agree with you 1000% - it has gone to far with all these accomodations!!
 
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