Teaching rape (non-consensual kissing) in children's books - Sleeping Beauty

[Smallcock]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5110415/Mother-demands-son-s-school-ban-Sleeping-Beauty.html

I vaguely remember fairy tales like Sleeping Beauty from childhood. I never gave it a thought, but the woman is right. The male character in the novel kisses the female character without her consent, and that is assault. Is this is why we have the Kevin Spacey's and Louise C.K.'s of the world today?

What do you guys, and SPs think?

Mother demands her son's school take Sleeping Beauty off the curriculum because the princess doesn't give consent to be kissed and woken up by prince

A mother has demanded her six-year-old son's school bans Sleeping Beauty because the princess does not give consent to be kissed.
Sarah Hall, from Northumberland Park, North Shields, claimed the fairytale promotes an 'inappropriate sexual' message to young children.
She argued the story is irresponsible because it teaches children it is acceptable to kiss women while they are asleep.
The mother of two said: 'I think it's a specific issue in the Sleeping Beauty story about sexual behaviour and consent.
'It's about saying is this still relevant, is it appropriate?'
Ms Hall is worried about what message the tale, which features a Prince waking up a Princess by kissing her, sends to impressionable youngsters.
The 40-year-old left a comment in her son's record book, and contacted the school to ask if it could be taken out of circulation for younger classes.

She said: 'In today's society, it isn't appropriate - my son is only six, he absorbs everything he sees, and it isn't as if I can turn it into a constructive conversation.
'I don't think taking Sleeping Beauty books out of circulation completely would be right.

'I actually think it would be a great resource for older children, you could have a conversation around it, you could talk about consent, and how the Princess might feel.
'But I'm really concerned about it for younger children, would really welcome a conversation about whether this is suitable material.'
Ms Hall said recent coverage of sexual abuse, including the social media 'Me Too' campaign, made her think about the messages being sent to youngsters.
She said: 'These are indicative of how ingrained that kind of behaviour is in society.
'All these small things build up, and they make a difference.'
Ms Hall said there might be problems with other fairytales, but that the is mostly disturbed by the 'non-consensual' kissing in this story.

She said: 'I think it's a specific issue in the Sleeping Beauty story about sexual behaviour and consent.
'It's about saying is this still relevant, is it appropriate?'
Ms Hall has attracted widespread criticism after she tweeted about the issue earlier this week.
Posting a picture from her son's Sleeping Beauty book, she wrote: 'Tell you what, while we are still seeing narratives like this in school, we are never going to change ingrained attitudes to sexual behaviour #MeToo #consent #mysonisix’
However, many have disagreed and have labelled her as 'pathetic' and 'sad'.

One tweeter wrote: 'Do NOT confuse this rant with feminism - this is harmful to the cause in a catastrophic way, not helpful!
While another fumed: 'Hard to believe and very unfortunate that there are people acting as sad as @Hallmeister and her 'Sleeping Beauty should be banned' nonsense.
'Feel sorry for the kids having to dwell on this c***!'
One woman said: 'This is getting b***** ridiculous. I never once watched sleeping beauty and thought 'goodness this is giving the wrong message about consent.
'Let's ban Cinderella as well whilst we're on the matter; poor gender roles and all that.'
Another wrote: 'Are you actually being serious hahaha how pathetic #world has gone mad.'
One Tweeter posted: 'Did the book or film make you believe you go around kissing anyone when you were a kid? Do you do that now because of the film? No? Then what is the problem!

In the original tale, Sleeping Beauty was actually raped.

Sleeping Beauty was raped in original 17th Century tale
Italian writer Giambattista Basile’s original version of Sleeping Beauty, called Sun, Moon, and Talia, was written in the 17th Century.
In Basile's original dark work, Talia, the daughter of a lord, falls into a deep slumber after pricking her finger on a magical splinter.
The lord cannot bear the thought of burying his beloved daughter and decides to leave her to rest in one of his estates.
One day a king is led into the estate and falls is enchanted by Talia's beauty.
He tries to awake her, but after failing to do so, he carries her to a bed and has sex with her while she sleeps.
The king then leaves Talia, who falls pregnant and gives birth to twins, a boy and a girl, all while still asleep.
She only awakes when one of her children mistakenly sucks the magical splinter out of her finger.

 

[malata]

before canadaman puts this out, i want to be the first

 

[oil&gas]

The kissing was actually the prince's way of administering
first-aid CPR to revive the beauty. That is how the kids should
be taught.

 

[Scarey]

I think people like this should be thrown off the nearest roof..........weird, attention whore. Get a life, read a book ,and stay off your Facebook for a while Sarah. It's screwing with your sense of right and wrong.

 

[huckfinn]

This is truly becoming more ridiculous as the years go on.

So, this child has a father.....is she claiming they never kiss her when she's sleeping?

Oh wait, maybe they kiss her on the forehead, but to me that's too sensual.

Where does this crap end?

Does anyone recall the key party in Whoville (Grinch), or the husband says "Honey, the baby looks just like your boss".

 

[sempel]

I can't disagree that she makes a valid point. However, it's such a minor thing to crib about - she's missing the bigger picture of the whole fairytale.

Based on this, let's look at other fairytales (based on Disney movies)

1) Beauty and the beast - promotes bestiality, forced enslavement (she had to stay with the Beast or her father would be imprisoned)
2) Cinderella - child labor, abuse, forced marriage (if the shoe fit the girl had to marry the prince)
3) Snow white - makes fun of dwarves, assault (poison)

Any others?

 

[Occasionally]

So all the times when I was a kid and saw my aunts and uncles and they hugged me and gave me a kiss, I could have told the cops and get them arrested?

Great country we live in now.

 

[canada-man]

where is the father of this kid?

 

[Occasionally]

I think people like this should be thrown off the nearest roof..........weird, attention whore. Get a life, read a book ,and stay off your Facebook for a while Sarah. It's screwing with your sense of right and wrong.

The problem isn't the person complaining. The problem is the media picks up on it and companies some reason bend over backwards for the 2 people out of a million who complain.

In most other countries in the world, people complaining to the media, YT, the government etc... over trivial things like this would be told to fuck off.

In places like the US and Canada, it would probably involves court hearings, lawyers, and injunctions.

Weird world we live in.

 

[LT56]

Many fairy tales have very dark themes if you go back and study their original texts. They have been cleaned up and sanitized over the years in order to make them suitable to share with children.

I understand the point that the woman in this news story is making. I’m not sure what the answer is but it’s worth at least thinking about.


As an aside...I saw a television adaptation of Tom Sawyer awhile ago and noticed that the story’s villain was named “Joe” rather than “Injun Joe” as it was in the original novel. Not sure how I feel about that either.

 

[sempel]

Many fairy tales have very dark themes if you go back and study their original texts. They have been cleaned up and sanitized over the years in order to make them suitable to share with children.

I understand the point that the woman in this news story is making. I’m not sure what the answer is but it’s worth at least thinking about.


As an aside...I saw a television adaptation of Tom Sawyer awhile ago and noticed that the story’s villain was named “Joe” rather than “Injun Joe” as it was in the original novel. Not sure how I feel about that either.

Huck Finn is banned from schools because it contains the N-word. Bunch of other children's books banned for various reasons. Now, if Tom Sawyer was written today and there was a character named Injun Joe, I think that wouldn't be a good idea. That said, it depends on the context of the book. Tom Sawyer was written in a time where "Injun" was common. I'm also sure if a writer today did it but claimed the setting was the 1800's which is when I think the book is based, I think historical accuracy might trump offensive language.

Oh yeah Peter Pan stereotypes native-Americans big time

 

[Aardvark154]

What utter balderdash! Does this mother want to ban all fairytales, after all most of them are quite bloody and involve clearly inappropriate behaviour for day to day life.

 

[Ref]

Pinocchio needs to be banned. I believe in the original story Geppetto was a pedophile and it wasn't Pinocchio's nose that grew. Cricket was the skinny drunken pedo friend of Geppetto.

 

[sempel]

where is the father of this kid?

Gone. Probably kicked out for trying to kiss the wife without consent...on her birthday!

 

[rhuarc29]

All this shows me is that common sense has left the nest and is no where to be seen these days.

 

[eternalbachelor]

"Hansel and Gretel" has always been suspicious to me. Kids burn an old woman to a cinder in her own house, take her jewels and gold and their explaination is that the old woman was a witch. Really?

 

[Aardvark154]

A small plea for reason http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5117551/Were-united-mum-trying-ban-Sleeping-Beauty.html

 

[MissCroft]

Many fairy tales have very dark themes if you go back and study their original texts. They have been cleaned up and sanitized over the years in order to make them suitable to share with children.

Yes. Sleeping Beauty is at 5:30.

 

[sempel]

I think a lot of things may have dark origins but until somebody brings it to light, we are all in the dark.

I remember being in a wedding party and the priest asked the couple to choose the opening song for walking down the aisle. Naturally "Here comes the bride" was suggested, something that has been used in many weddings I've attended. Priest said that song is no longer permitted. Apparently it was used in pagan rituals essentially mocking the wedding idea, something like that (I don't remember). News to me! Somehow I guess people adapted it to weddings but now you never hear it being used.

 

[Occasionally]

I remember being in a wedding party and the priest asked the couple to choose the opening song for walking down the aisle. Naturally "Here comes the bride" was suggested, something that has been used in many weddings I've attended. Priest said that song is no longer permitted. Apparently it was used in pagan rituals essentially mocking the wedding idea, something like that (I don't remember). News to me! Somehow I guess people adapted it to weddings but now you never hear it being used.

What probably happened is that someone complained.

There's around 7 billion people in the world. Nothing will ever make 100% of people happy.

It's a shame that in many western countries, people cave in to the 0.001% of people who complain.

In life, there's various things that people interpret as being success factors..... money, happiness, families, long healthy life etc..... One thing to me that is very important is simply an easy going attitude. It makes life much easier, fun, and just about every person you meet you get along with. Even for those people you hear about that are hard asses, what are you talking about? They seem fine to me!

It takes a lot to hit my threshold. And for the few times I've hit it, people are amazed that they've even seen me like this in the 20 years I've known them. Hardly any whining, complaining and pissing people off being Nitpicking Nancy.

Personally, I don't think half the complaints are even done because the person feels it's the right thing to do. I think a lot of these whiners are losers and they just complain 'hoping to win at something in life". They probably have a shitty life, but if they can get one company or one lawyer to make a stink and win at something, it makes them feel valuable, when in reality 99% of the people think otherwise.

But at that moment of time, it makes them feel successful for once.