Students Told Stripping Is Career Choice

Cashanova

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Sorry if this post if out of place, but here goes.

Students Told Stripping Is Career Choice

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - School officials in Palo Alto are reconsidering their use of a popular speaker for an annual career day after he advised middle school students that they could earn a good living as strip dancers.

William Fried told eighth-graders at Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School that stripping and exotic dancing could be lucrative career moves for girls, offering as much as $250,000 or more per year, depending on their bust size.

"It's sick, but it's true," Fried, president of Foster City's Precision Selling, a management consulting firm, told The Associated Press. "The truth of the matter is you can earn a tremendous amount of money as an exotic dancer, if that's your desire."
Seems, to me at least, the audience may have been a bit young for that particular career day speaker.
 

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Dominique,

It has nothing to do with it being the U.S. Remember they are 10 times the size of us so 10 times as more likely to see crackpots like this.

General comments:
Stripping should never be a career move, it should be a means to an end for women (and men) who are comfortable with nudity and sexuality.

KD
 

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K Douglas said:
Dominique,

General comments:
Stripping should never be a career move, it should be a means to an end for women (and men) who are comfortable with nudity and sexuality.

KD
I totally agree, but it also depends on the type of stripper that you are, as to how long you can last in the business without it messing you up for life in one way or another. On the bright side there is a successful formula for everything in life! It just takes time and lots of effort (too much for some) to figure it out.
 

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Stripping doesn't mess you up its the choices you choose that do!
 

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I think of a career choice at something you are doing into your 50's & 60's - are there some clubs we are not covering in these reviews ? Pretty bad if 'depends' are one of the articles of clothing removed. Maybe they will bring back the little table to keep the boobs from hitting the floor ..

Okay, sorry ... time for bed ...
 

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Wow, was this story TOTALLY TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.

The speaker spent just under an hour talking to the students about broadening their career horizons and not restricting themselves to traditional career options. One of the STUDENTS then brought up the option of being a stripper as a career and the speaker said, sure, it's a legitimate career option. The speaker spent under a minute talking about being a stripper yet all the "news" agencies are making it out to be the central point of his presentation.

This is the kind of trash journalism that makes me want to vomit.
 

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No Shit Keebler... Journalism is getting disgusting! It seems the media needs to spark a reaction in us with every thing they feed us... It sucks, and man am I tired of it. Damn I miss hockey. Maybe, I shoulda just boycotted submitting to this thread so it could get buried and forgotton about. It's a bad one.
 

Cashanova

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Well, since I started the topic, I will post another quote from the linked news article.
A tip sheet he distributes to students includes a list of 140 potential careers and areas of interest they can consider pursuing. Along with professions as accounting and nursing, the list offers such nontraditional suggestions as exotic dancing, stripping and acting as a spiritual medium.
The part of the article I actually found kind of amusing was where a mother of one of the students said she was outraged when her son announced that he was forgoing college for a career in a field he truly loves - fishing.
 

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Let's not throw that particular stone boys...

SG Dominique said:
That's States for you! Enough said...
Those of us who live in a country where the (recently former) immigration minister actually created special exceptions to help foreign strippers obtain work permits should probably not be too judgemental here.

Zog.
 

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Amused said:
I think of a career choice at something you are doing into your 50's & 60's - are there some clubs we are not covering in these reviews ? Pretty bad if 'depends' are one of the articles of clothing removed. Maybe they will bring back the little table to keep the boobs from hitting the floor ..

Okay, sorry ... time for bed ...
Guess you've never been to the Tanglewood in Oshawa... I was in their one night and seen a dance who looked like she had to be in her 60's and was told she has worked their longer than my buddie who frequented the place could remember and we're talking like 20yrs he went their.
 

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Keebler Elf said:
One of the STUDENTS then brought up the option of being a stripper as a career and the speaker said, sure, it's a legitimate career option.
Wrong. The student didn't happen to just "bring it up", the speaker had a handout of alternative careers and one of them was exotic dancer. So, of course the kids will riff on that.
 

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so what's the big deal...kids that age know all about stripping, pornos, etc.. the guy didn't encourage it, he just explained the truth to them. ya, I guess it could've been left out of the list but, making a big deal about it is just stupid... my friend is a grade 7 teacher and one of his female students, he said she's one of the top students, just asked him if it was alright for her to do a book report on Jenna Jameson's 'how to make love like a porn star'... this shocked me to hear this, but he said that this is just the way the kids act and think these days... he says they wear t-shirts that say 'be my fokbuddy' and porn*, etc.
 

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Wow, people actually work as dancers - shocking. It amazes me that in the states the president getting a blow job is the subject to and public investigation wasting millions of tax payers dollars, whereas in the rest of the civilized world we don't understand what the big deal about grabbing a blow job is.

Keep in mind that this is a country where a court case is raging over a schoolboard in Atlanta governed by the religious right who have stickers on their science textbooks saying that "evolution is just a theory"

Maybe they will catch up with the rest of us, maybe not. till then it is best just to get ready to jump out of the way when the elephant rolls over in bed.
 

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The context is as important as the message...

The issue here is, obviously, not about denying that many women work as dancers and that come of these women actually make a stable and comfortable living at it. We all know that this is the case. The problem is the environment that was chosen to push out this information.

We all know that most children mature sexually and physically much earlier than they mature mentally. There are many boys of sixteen who look like adult men and there are plenty of teenage women who can pass as adult females in their twenties. Nevertheless, they are still children in their minds who lack the experience, judgement, and maturity to make independent decisions about some matters that may significantly change their future.

Look, this is exactly why we have statutory rape laws. Many teenagers look all grown-up. And with the openess in the media and society these days, many of them certainly "talk-the-talk" that can make you forget that they are not adults. But at the end of the day, they are still in the process of developing mentally and do not yet have the ability to make an informed and mature judgement about sexual relations. While most teenagers may give the outward appearance of being adult, they are still much more vulnerable to being taken advatage of by more experienced and devious adults.

Obviously, suggesting a career as a dancer is not an action that compares to statutory rape, so please don't misunderstand the example above to represent an analogy. However, the same vulnerability and immaturity that makes adolecent children under-qualified to make sound sexual decisions also impacts on their ability to make appropriate and proactive career choices.

Let's face it. Most teenage children don't yet have the skills to fully appreciate the long-term consequences of their actions with regard to education and career. Most adolencents are too absorbed in the immidiate culture of their peers where immediate acceptance and status are the most important thing and few really have a sense of what it means to be a responsible and independent adult.

These people are very much open to influence from their families and other individuals seen as mentors and role models. When they receive a presentation in their school which validates Dancing as a realistic career choice for them, it makes it a lot easier for them to convince themselves that their fantasy of working in the "adult entertainment" industry can be a reality.

Realistically, there are precious few women who are actually able to make dancing work for them as a sustained and stable career. Certainly a few do exist and some of them are valued contributors to thsi forum. But the Dancing profession is, in reality, not the glamorous life that many outsiders imagine it is. There are many very difficult challenges that a professional dancer must face almost every day at work. A stable income is almost impossible to acheive over a meduim or long-term period - which makes it a high-risk career from that perspective alone.

If women (or men), who have reached a level of maturity where they can realistically make long-term life decisions, decide to Dance professionally, that is their right and option. However, it is unfair and dangerous to advise young and impressionable adolecents that Dancing is equivilent to (for example) accounting and nursing as a long-term career. This kind of advice has no place in a school where children have come to expect useful and valuable guidance.

Having said that, I'm totally in favour of the concept of female University students (especially the hot ones) turning to Dancing as a means of paying for their higher education...I've even supported a number of them in their aim to raise tuition funds ($20 at a time)...;) .

Zog.
 

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At 250,000 US a year over 10 years and invested properly seems like a fine career choice...again it is the choices you make after you have the money that matters.
 

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chunkylover53 said:
Wrong. The student didn't happen to just "bring it up", the speaker had a handout of alternative careers and one of them was exotic dancer. So, of course the kids will riff on that.
Interesting. I did not know that. The radio show I was listening to said the kid brought up the question.
 

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Wow. Somehow I don't think they meant it should be a career choice. BUt either way I think it's terrible that they're telling MIDDLE SCHOOLERS about stripper, those kids are like 12 years old. That's insane. I'd be pretty pissed off if i had a kid and she came home telling me she wanted to dance....she'd be grounded till she was 35. I think then article meant, it's a good way to earn money for college? or maybe thats just what i hope it means. and that i agree with. I wouldn't of been able to do alot of the things i've done if i hadn't of started dancing :)
 
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