Still in favour of the monarchy, Aardvark?

[danmand]

Denmark was offered to Germany
Published 18.08.10 13:28

King Christian IX was prepared to forfeit the nation to save Schleswig and Holstein The Danish King Christian IX allegedly offered Denmark to the Prussian King Wilhelm I in July 1864. This was apparently a desperate effort to keep the...

The Danish King Christian IX allegedly offered Denmark to the Prussian King Wilhelm I in July 1864. This was apparently a desperate effort to keep the south Jutland regions of Schleswig and Holstein within Denmark, following the Danes’ defeat by the German forces.

Author Tom Buk-Swientys describes the events in a new book which will be published later this month, following unprecedented research of Christian IX’s private archives, conducted with the permission of the Queen Margrethe.

Christian IX was born and raised in southern Schleswig and was eager for the country to hold on to the two regions, feeling that even if Denmark became a German state, it would still reign over Schleswig and Holstein. However, since he contacted the Prussians behind the back of the Danish government, he could have been charged with treason.

The Prussians decided they would have had too many problems with Denmark becoming a German state, instead incorporating only Schleswig and Holstein.


LOL. The germans did not want the danes.

 

[Aardvark154]

Let us read the book shall we (perhaps it will eventually be offered in English translation).

I don't believe that actions in 1864 which never came to fruition are really of great import today, other than to those of us interested in History, and specifically in this instance to the people of Denmark.

The German Empire was in a fair number of ways a confederation. The major states, Bavaria, Saxony, Württemberg not to mention Prussia had not only their own internal government, but also their own Armies (under Imperial command only at High Command level). Many of the other more minor states Baden, Hesse-by-Rhine, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Anhalt, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha etc. . . had internal self-government. Without having read the book, there is no reason to believe that Christian IX attempting to salvage something from the disastrous defeat of Denmark in 1864 wasn't seeking the same sort of quasi-independent status for Denmark.

Presumably there is a similar expression in Danish to "hindsight is 20/20" it is always very easy to see how the past has unfolded, much harder to discern what the future may hold and the correct path to take.

 

[Mervyn]

Denmark was offered to Germany
Published 18.08.10 13:28

King Christian IX was prepared to forfeit the nation to save Schleswig and Holstein The Danish King Christian IX allegedly offered Denmark to the Prussian King Wilhelm I in July 1864. This was apparently a desperate effort to keep the...

The Danish King Christian IX allegedly offered Denmark to the Prussian King Wilhelm I in July 1864. This was apparently a desperate effort to keep the south Jutland regions of Schleswig and Holstein within Denmark, following the Danes’ defeat by the German forces.

Wow, sounds a lot like the Deal made by the French in WWII..

 

[danmand]

Let us read the book shall we (perhaps it will eventually be offered in English translation).

I don't believe that actions in 1864 which never came to fruition are really of great import today, other than to those of us interested in History, and specifically in this instance to the people of Denmark.

The German Empire was in a fair number of ways a confederation. The major states, Bavaria, Saxony, Württemberg not to mention Prussia had not only their own internal government, but also their own Armies (under Imperial command only at High Command level). Many of the other more minor states Baden, Hesse-by-Rhine, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Anhalt, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha etc. . . had internal self-government. Without having read the book, there is no reason to believe that Christian IX attempting to salvage something from the disastrous defeat of Denmark in 1864 wasn't seeking the same sort of quasi-independent status for Denmark.

Presumably there is a similar expression in Danish to "hindsight is 20/20" it is always very easy to see how the past has unfolded, much harder to discern what the future may hold and the correct path to take.

The opinion in Denmark is that because King Christian IX contacted the Prussians behind the back of the Danish government, it was a case of treason. Later, in 1920, another king, Christian X attempted a coup d'etat, the so called easter coup.

But I take it you want nothing less than an absolute monarch.

 

[Aardvark154]

The opinion in Denmark is that because King Christian IX contacted the Prussians behind the back of the Danish government, it was a case of treason. Later, in 1920, another king, Christian X attempted a coup d'etat, the so called easter coup.

But I take it you want nothing less than an absolute monarch.

1) It isn't my Monarchy.
2) I'm really not sure that Danes who know what on earth they are speaking about feel that way, although perhaps they do.
3) the Danish Monarchy in 1864 was quite Continental i.e. absolutist.
4) as you well know the view of the "public" towards King Christian IX during the period 1864-1901 and 1901-1906 were rather different
5) the view of the "public" towards King Frederick VIII as opposed to his father was night and day.
6) I really don't think that either the Queen of Denmark, nor the Crown Prince, nor Prince Christian need to trouble their sleep about the present day ramifications of all this.

 

[danmand]

1) It isn't my Monarchy.
2) I'm really not sure that Danes who know what on earth they are speaking about feel that way, although perhaps they do.
3) the Danish Monarchy in 1864 was quite Continental i.e. absolutist.
4) as you well know the view of the "public" towards King Christian IX during the period 1864-1901 and 1901-1906 were rather different
5) the view of the "public" towards King Frederick VIII as opposed to his father was night and day.
6) I really don't think that either the Queen of Denmark, nor the Crown Prince, nor Prince Christian need to trouble their sleep about the present day ramifications of all this.

Wrong you are again. Denmark became a constitutional monarchy through the constitution of 1849. Civil liberties were guaranteed, and a bicameral legislature established.

Christian X, who was the father of Frederik VIII, was very much disliked, referred to as the juncher. He only became somewhat respected after his actions during WWII. Most people never foregave him for the coup d'etat in 1920.

Frederik VIII, you are correct, was generally liked by the danes. He was like his brother an alcoholic which the common people could relate to.