Should the USA bow out of Foreign matters????

[papasmerf]

The USA since WWII has been very involved in the worlds politics.

It paid for and rebuilt most of Europe and Asia, it seems.

Continues to provide a millitary presence in many parts of the world. Supplys food and cash to countless governments, programs and businesses. All of which cost the American people BILLIONS of dollars each year.

While we do this, Americas manufacturing base is dwindling. Its unemployment rate is rising as is the number of people requiring government. America is in a ression and may well be headed for a depression. Yet we continue to send money to every country in the world. Pay for programs that benifit only the researchers... Pay tiny dictatorships so the worlds waterways are safe.

I have to think America would be better off pulling the plug on bolstering the global economy. Have FAIR TRADE not FREE TRADE
TAX imports at the same rates the other countries tax our goods.

For over 50 years the USA has been going broke and I for one think it is time we stop. Let the world shoot itself in the ass. Let someone else pay the bills of every pissant dictator. Screw foreign policy and toss the criminals who invade the USA in the guise of political asslym. Empty our prissions of these scum and send them back.

Our constitution extends to all of our citizens and forgive me not to those who rfuse to be a citizen. Treat hostile aliens as such and toss them out on their asses.

This of course is just an opinion.

 

[chubbs]

Can we assume you are a Yankee. I come from there too. Nicely said papasmerf

 

[papasmerf]

Why Yes I am an American.

 

[luckyjackson]

Idiotic post of the week award.

Your thinking is obviously of a class with your spelling. I like to see some balance in arguments, so I stick up for America once in a while when others seem to buy into the "Great Satan" school of thought. But what've you've said is ridiculous.

America did do all those positive things, but what do you think the reason for them was? Do you think America spreads it billions because that's the Christian thing to do? Grow up. America uses it influence, whether it be in the form of money, politics or the military for one reason and one reason only - to look after he good ol US of A.

That's why they would never "bow out of foreign matters"...because that's probably the quickest way to shoot themselves in the foot.

I'm not saying they're wrong. EVERY country operates this way. Morality has nothing to do with it.

 

[papasmerf]

Lucky

you seem to think I believe America does this for reasons greater then the acts alone.

I do not.

I will put you down for America staying involved with Foreigin Policy.

 

[*d*]

papasmerf
The most important item about the US that you missed in your post was the fact that your country has maintained its wealth by using human and natural resources all over the world. The exploits in Columbia(the country not the shuttle) is a good current example.

d

 

[papasmerf]

ummmm no

My post has nothing to do with how, where, how wealth was made.

I am saying screw it
we pull out and end our sending food, money and military support outside the USA

 

[*d*]

The US needs the rest of the world to survive. As we all do. However I thing your foreign policies need work. I suggest a change. Stop giving corporate America military support abroad. They're only a business and should not have the same rights to protection as human US citizens.

d

 

[Big Daddy]

I totally disagree with PapaSmerf. I think it is extremely arrogant to believe that USA is helping the world. I live in USA and I have travelled a lot. I think that sometimes US government fools its citizens into beliving that we are civilized people and everyone else is barbaric. The terrorist camps were in Afganistan for years, why didn't US government bomb it before September 11? If government is so concerned about peace then bombing the terrorist camps should be done the first thing to enforce peace.

It is all about economy. US spends billions of dollars for its own interest. Unstability in the world is likely to hurt US economy more than any other nation. It is the price that US pays for being the largest economy.

 

[papasmerf]

By some estimates

Some estimate that the USA uses about 1/2 of the worlds comsumable products.


I am willing to bet that by no longer importing products... The USA will fare better then most.


By withdrawing Millitary support from foreign soil would this not accomplish your suggestion, D???????

 

[Big Daddy]

Re: By some estimates

I am willing to bet that by no longer importing products... The USA will fare better then most.

How??

 

[papasmerf]

Easy BigDaddy

What do we import that we can not live without??????

As memtioned in my first post I want FARE TRADE not FREE TRADE.

But I suspect we would end up not importing.

Since the USA has a trade imbalance I dare say we can fare well by not purchasing products from Countries that penilize the USA for exporting to them.

 

[Big Daddy]

Easy said than done. The only reason we enjoy the high standard of living is that we get products in USA at the lowest cost possible. So, if children are abused in China, we turn a blind eye because developing/manufacturing the same product in USA will cost higher. Most Americans don't even know why USA maintains US territories in Pacific. Gaum, Spipan etc. is where the US garment industry is. Because these are US territories, cheap labor from Phillipines is used (because Continental US law does not apply) and "Made in USA" tag can be attached on the garments. Like it or not, the cost of products will double if "American Labor" is used to manufacture some goods that are imported.

With rise in prices demand will go down and so will economy. As bad as US policy looks, it is the only policy that can keep the economy and standard of living in US higher than the rest of the world. The only thing we can do is to accept that fact.

 

[papasmerf]

Agreeied that there would be adjustments in the short term.

However there would be long term benifits

As we would not be spending tax money overseas or to the Notrh or South.

The taxes collected would go for domestic needs and payin off the National Debt. Put some money into debt collection. Collect moneis owed fron foreign governmets and aloow the USA to clears its debts.

Yes I am aware this would cause economic ruin in many countries.

 

[Big Daddy]

You are right it will cause economic ruin, the number one country at the top will be USA and then rest will follow.

Politicians are no fools. If they can cut the funding they would. Unfortunately, it is not easy. Believe me there are best brains working in USA trying to figure out the best fiscal policy. One of the reasons why US might seek second UN resolution is that they want other countries to "pay" for its war on Iraq. US politicians fight for every dime and nickle.

 

[papasmerf]

Where do we go from here??

So where do we as a country go from here??????

 

[thecoolguyms72]

Where we go?

It is imperative that the U.S. continue to help develop economies all over the world. It serves two purposes, provides cheap labour to provide the products Amercans (and Canadians) want and desire. As well, it will be the only saving grace for the baby boom generation to survive into retirement. The second point is by far the most important issue going forward for the next 15 - 20 years. Let's remember, the baby boomers have billions upon billions of dollars in securities (bonds and stocks, CD's, etc.) that eventually need to be converted to cash so they can live. How can this be done without a depression of security prices, choking off of supply of capital to corporations and governments, and a severe reduction of standard of living for everyone, since the next generation isn't nearly big enough to absorb this amount of wealth? Simple, create more middle class worldwide in order to purchase those securities at fair prices, continuing supplies of capital for corporations to continue to innovate, and to governments to be able to provide the much needed services they provide. It will be impossible for the baby boom generation to survive without a follow up middle class to help convert their securities to cash over time so that they may live without a severe change to their lifestyle and standard of living.

Now, that isn't to say that the U.S. is perfect in their foreign policy, fiscally or millitarily, or otherwise for that matter, but to become isolationists as papasmurf suggests would be tantamount to suicide to society as we know it. Poverty would be rampant, and by this I don't mean just "doing without some things", because doing without food, clothing and shelter are things that I don't want to do without.

I do have to agree with luckyjackson (hopefully not related to Michael Jackson) that this could be the most idiotic post that I've seen yet.

 

[Timberwolf]

Hold it, the #1 country to fold will be, ....... CANADA.

 

[Timberwolf]

There is no way Canada could sustain itself without American support. Nice try As#$%^&^. We are too fucking stupid.

 

[Bboy]

Re: Easy BigDaddy

What do we import that we can not live without??????

Oil, for one thing.