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Shingles Vaccine

SchlongConery said:
Well, if it affects you or you see a friend or your mother or father "affected" with shingles, then you will change your mind.

Otherwise your lame, prejudiced comments on the affects on society are just a "shitload" of drivel.




"Stats"? You, like many others let words like "stats" and "studies" roll off your tongue like you want to appear your opinion has basis in facts, not bias. And in this case, your bias revolves around "profit". Again, like other Simpletons, you think that a health benefit can only be good if it is not tainted by profit.

So by your values, anyone who goes to work driving an ambulance who profits from their labour makes the value of ambulance service (who "stats" show are only ever utilized by a very few unfortunate people) not worthwhile to a "not a shitload of people".

Look, if you don't want to get a Shingles vaccination, then don't. Makes no fucking difference to anyone except yourself. But if the reason you are not getting it is because the vaccine company is making a profit, then you are blinded by your own prejudice.
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The bias isn't just profit you buffoon. The bias is recommending something that there is no little need for other than to scare the herd into 'getting it anyway'. because you know its better to have it than not, so just shove that stuff in your body and you'll be ok,

So while your piehole is espousing the benefits of being a sheep, check out the stats, its clearly enough to ram a profit with, but hardly enough to make a microscopic difference in your life.

http://www.cdc.gov/shingles/hcp/clinical-overview.html
 
great bear said:
Watch it CC. He wants to check out the black hole theory.
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SkyRider said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the odds of catching shingles is much higher than catching HIV. Yet, rational men wear condoms when engaged in coitus with strangers.
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Rational men and women drive cars everyday, they've got a much higher chance of being in a car accident, but they drive everyday.
 
MRBJX said:
The bias isn't just profit you buffoon. The bias is recommending something that there is no little need for other than to scare the herd into 'getting it anyway'. because you know its better to have it than not, so just shove that stuff in your body and you'll be ok,

So while your piehole is espousing the benefits of being a sheep, check out the stats, its clearly enough to ram a profit with, but hardly enough to make a microscopic difference in your life.

http://www.cdc.gov/shingles/hcp/clinical-overview.html
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A microscopic difference in MY life? First you argue herd risks then you switch to the difference in MY life?

I personally know of several people whose lives have been made a living hell and in two cases have completely destroyed their life as they knew it due to ongoing excruciating neuralgia. So I think you'd have a hard time convincing anyone who has experienced shingles that a vaccine would not have made a "microscopic difference" in their life.

According to your CDC linked page, (which cites 15 year old stats from 2000) 1% of people over 60 get it.


  • The incidence for herpes zoster is approximately 4 cases per 1,000 U.S. population annually, age-adjusted to the 2000 U.S. population
  • The incidence among people 60 years of age and older is about 10 cases per 1,000 U.S. population annually.


1% doesn't sound like much (unless you are the 1 in 100 who gets it) but if you compare it to Hepatitis B infection rates it is 100x higher. According to the CDC Report for 2013, the Hep B infection rate in the USA was 1 in 100,000. (0.01%)

However, the rate of shingles cases has been increasing as have the actual number of cases as the population ages.

According to the most current -2014- information from the CDC, they recommend vaccination for those over 60. Period.

"Almost 1 out of 3 people in America will develop shingles during their lifetime. Your risk of shingles increases as you get older. People 60 years of age or older should get vaccinated against this painful disease."

Health Care costs associated with shingles treatment is $1 billion in the US.

While I don't wish ill upon you, if you want to risk it when you get to that age and not bother getting vaccinated, then don't.

But FFS, since there is almost zero risk (except "wasting" $200) to being vaccinated, don't push your conspiracy agenda on others who might be influenced and then be one of the few that gets shingles.
 
MRBJX said:
Rational men and women drive cars everyday, they've got a much higher chance of being in a car accident, but they drive everyday.
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And all but the mouth breathers who worry about crashing into the water and drowning, wear seat belts.
 
SchlongConery said:
A microscopic difference in MY life? First you argue herd risks then you switch to the difference in MY life?

I personally know of several people whose lives have been made a living hell and in two cases have completely destroyed their life as they knew it due to ongoing excruciating neuralgia. So I think you'd have a hard time convincing anyone who has experienced shingles that a vaccine would not have made a "microscopic difference" in their life.

According to your CDC linked page, (which cites 15 year old stats from 2000) 1% of people over 60 get it.


  • The incidence for herpes zoster is approximately 4 cases per 1,000 U.S. population annually, age-adjusted to the 2000 U.S. population
  • The incidence among people 60 years of age and older is about 10 cases per 1,000 U.S. population annually.


1% doesn't sound like much (unless you are the 1 in 100 who gets it) but if you compare it to Hepatitis B infection rates it is 100x higher. According to the CDC Report for 2013, the Hep B infection rate in the USA was 1 in 100,000. (0.01%)

However, the rate of shingles cases has been increasing as have the actual number of cases as the population ages.

According to the most current -2014- information from the CDC, they recommend vaccination for those over 60. Period.

"Almost 1 out of 3 people in America will develop shingles during their lifetime. Your risk of shingles increases as you get older. People 60 years of age or older should get vaccinated against this painful disease."

Health Care costs associated with shingles treatment is $1 billion in the US.

While I don't wish ill upon you, if you want to risk it when you get to that age and not bother getting vaccinated, then don't.

But FFS, since there is almost zero risk (except "wasting" $200) to being vaccinated, don't push your conspiracy agenda on others who might be influenced and then be one of the few that gets shingles.
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Let me show you how it works

Health Care costs associated with shingles treatment is $1 billion in the US. = if you make a drug, that might reduce this, we'll give you money and promote it.

If you bothered to read the studies, you'd find that no significant info on environmental, demographic or ethnic factors is to be found because they were not even considered.

All you've done is drop 200 bucks on something that may not even work or be effective for more than 5 years and supported marketing and not science.

And its not a conspiracy agenda - it's a method of doing business that preys on people's fear, your fear, which you've translated into a product purchase to mitigate that fear, which is largely not understood.
 
MRBJX said:
Let me show you how it works

Health Care costs associated with shingles treatment is $1 billion in the US. = if you make a drug, that might reduce this, we'll give you money and promote it.

If you bothered to read the studies, you'd find that no significant info on environmental, demographic or ethnic factors is to be found because they were not even considered.

All you've done is drop 200 bucks on something that may not even work or be effective for more than 5 years and supported marketing and not science.

And its not a conspiracy agenda - it's a method of doing business that preys on people's fear, your fear, which you've translated into a product purchase to mitigate that fear, which is largely not understood.
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Dude, I know a bit more about fear-based marketing than your Fox News level opinions on the practice. A 2010 book "Buyology; The truth and lies about what we buy" is but one of a hundred books that goes into "neuromarketing" practices, many of which are fear based. Although fear-based marketing can boomerang and cause someone like you to dismiss the benefit because you are put off by the method it was communicated.

And I would not disagree that there is fear-based marketing of vaccines.

However, that does not reduce the potential benefit to individuals or to society of vaccines.

In my case, or my parents or loved ones $200 is absolutely inconsequential to our finances. FFS, we are on a forum where members bow $200+ for an hour of something that will not have any benefit 30 seconds after you walk out the door.

But, the possible consequences of getting shingles could be extraordinarily devastating. So if $200 maybe reduces my chances of those consequences I'm in. I don't give a shit if someone is making $199 on me so long as I have reduced my risk and that of my friends and family. Keep in mind that I have actually been witness to the devastating pain and other effects on people I know and love so my bias is towards reducing that risk, not worrying about Big Pharma making $200 off us.
 
MRBJX said:
and this is affecting a shitload of people - NOT.

stats tells me its affecting enough people to make a profit, not much else.
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If you had chickenpox as a kid you have a good chance you will get shingles
 
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