sex slaves, in Toronto?

[freshbreath]

just curious, and forgive me if this has been discussed already, but
are those chinese women in those $80 cheapie incall places actual sex slaves, or just in it for some quick money?

 

[Rocket Man]

just curious, and forgive me if this has been discussed already, but
are those chinese women in those $80 cheapie incall places actual sex slaves, or just in it for some quick money?

There's a dark side to this hobby, and I wouldn't be suprised to see these places on the news one day.

 

[Eli]

Yeah $80 FS in a skanky apartment with a mattress on the floor. Doesn't sound like someone would willingly do that.

 

[raven@mirage]

They just reaired a documentary about it canada makes oover 25,000$ on it.

the bigger ones are still in europe.

yup they still go on

 

[nautilus]

$25,000 ? I have spent that in the last 18 months. Must be a little more.

 

[raven@mirage]

They were more focused on the ones in europe. not really north america.

 

[Back Burner]

Sex slaves are live and well. We as hobbyist just turn a blind eye as long as we can get a blow job and a cheap fuck. And it's not just the $80 incalls.

Doesn't anyone ever ask the question of why a woman barely in her 20's and can't speak English is in Canada and having sex for money? And how do some of these agencies keep getting these new girls? Or is that hitting too close to home?

 

[freshbreath]

well, I've been to a few of these places, and some of them the girls seem excited and independant (taking their own client calls on their cell) who just rent a room
and others where I see luggage with tags that mention hong kong and toronto

I was told by an asian MPA that a lot of those girls just come for a week or two because it's known they can make some quick cash in canada, and that they aren't forced
but that's her opinion on the whole subject

I've also seen really suspicious marks on some of these girls though

 

[Back Burner]

I'm not pointing out any particular agency or group but the signs are out there. We hobbyist sometimes choose to ignore them for our own selfish reasons.

 

[RTRD]

Ding Ding Ding!!!!

Sex slaves are live and well. We as hobbyist just turn a blind eye as long as we can get a blow job and a cheap fuck. And it's not just the $80 incalls.

Doesn't anyone ever ask the question of why a woman barely in her 20's and can't speak English is in Canada and having sex for money? And how do some of these agencies keep getting these new girls? Or is that hitting too close to home?

...but when I say stuff like that I get flamed.

I am all about ass. I frankly can barely contained myself in regards to the monogomay / fidelity thing.

But what some of you guys are able to do - to reconcile and justify in your minds as ok - it is amazing to me.

I'd think you'd have to be pretty damn selfish and self absorbed to have sex with someone who did not speak english in a room on the floor knowing full well you weren't the first that day and will not be the last. Like I said in another thread - that is masturbation with a live sex doll. You can't tell me you actually give a shit about the person underneath you that youy are furiously pumping away at...a point made more than clear by many reviews...

I simply cannot imagine what the life of some sex workers must be like - all day, everyday, nameless, faceless men (and clearly not the upper crust of society, else they would be paying $300/hr versus $50 for 30 minutes or whatever the going rate is) treating like you are less than human. Not even "abuse" - at least "abuse" someone how makes you real - gives you identity (which I guess is why some of us like it...smh...). No, these guys just come, grunt instructions, fuck and leave. The girl might as well not even be in the room, based on what I have read.

It has GOT to be dehumanizing. I know it is sad.

 

[zanner69]

here is an old article on the topic:

http://www.walnet.org/csis/news/toronto_97/gandm-970912.html

 

[TheNiteHwk]

More then 1/2 of those $80. Asian providers advertising in Eye are my clients. I see them face-to-face at least once a month when they come in to re-book their ads. Some come in every week. I can tell you for certain they are not sex slaves. Some of them are working in places where there are more then one working together and sharing expenses. Some are completely independent and work entirely alone. Most when dealing with me when they come in are very bubbly, sweet and gracious, often tipping me and buying me gifts. Some are in fact university students. Others are just here for the money. And believe me they are making large. Most pay cash but also a fair number have credit cards and/or pay with debit cards. They all eventually go back to China for a brief period after being here for awhile (a few months) but almost all return 2 to 3 months later. Hey think about it… at $80. a shot times 6, 8 or even 10 appointments a day… for anybody never mind someone who comes from a country where if they are lucky will makes peanuts by comparison… for them this is huge. I’m not saying that there is no slavery at all going on in GTA… as far as I know though none are advertising with me in Eye. If I ever found out or even suspected such a thing; trust me they would be busted (in more ways then one) in a NY minute. As far as I know any sex slave situations that have happened in GTA were MP places that do not advertise. They rely on word of mouth and sandwich boards on the street, that kind of stuff. If any of you guys go to a MP or InCall and suspect with good reason that sex slave situation or underage girls is going on… please let me know… I will take care of it immediately. Or better yet call the cops.

 

[danmand]

...but when I say stuff like that I get flamed.

I am all about ass. I frankly can barely contained myself in regards to the monogomay / fidelity thing.

But what some of you guys are able to do - to reconcile and justify in your minds as ok - it is amazing to me.

I'd think you'd have to be pretty damn selfish and self absorbed to have sex with someone who did not speak english in a room on the floor knowing full well you weren't the first that day and will not be the last. Like I said in another thread - that is masturbation with a live sex doll. You can't tell me you actually give a shit about the person underneath you that youy are furiously pumping away at...a point made more than clear by many reviews...

I simply cannot imagine what the life of some sex workers must be like - all day, everyday, nameless, faceless men (and clearly not the upper crust of society, else they would be paying $300/hr versus $50 for 30 minutes or whatever the going rate is) treating like you are less than human. Not even "abuse" - at least "abuse" someone how makes you real - gives you identity (which I guess is why some of us like it...smh...). No, these guys just come, grunt instructions, fuck and leave. The girl might as well not even be in the room, based on what I have read.

It has GOT to be dehumanizing. I know it is sad.

With all due respect, and with apologies to the moderator for bringing politics into this forum, you are the one who does not get it. Get off your high horse and face realities.

There is only a degree difference between being sex slaves and being forced into prostitution for economic reasons. Why do you think many of the young asian incall girls are into prostitution? Do you think they enjoy it? Or could it be because they are not allowed regular work on student visas?

 

[RTRD]

That one degree...

With all due respect, and with apologies to the moderator for bringing politics into this forum, you are the one who does not get it. Get off your high horse and face realities.

There is only a degree difference between being sex slaves and being forced into prostitution for economic reasons. Why do you think many of the young asian incall girls are into prostitution? Do you think they enjoy it? Or could it be because they are not allowed regular work on student visas?

...is a BIG fucking degree.

One - when ever you chosde to stop...whatever the reasons...you stop. And you accept the consequences...which might be for the better (you made all the money you wanted) or for the worse (you just couldn't take it anymore, but still have the same issues that led you there in the first place). She elected to get in, she elects to get out.

Sex slaves stops, she gets a punch in the gut and a kick in the rear. She runs, she gets a bullet in the head. She didn't in by choice (or full disclosure), and she doesn't get to say when she gets out.

Either way - you figure its ok because you need to get off, right?

And I don't get it?

Nice reality you create to justify things...is this self justification or just debating for the sake of arguement?

 

[Questor]

More then 1/2 of those $80. Asian providers advertising in Eye are my clients. I see them face-to-face at least once a month when they come in to re-book their ads. Some come in every week. I can tell you for certain they are not sex slaves. Some of them are working in places where there are more then one working together and sharing expenses. Some are completely independent and work entirely alone. Most when dealing with me when they come in are very bubbly, sweet and gracious, often tipping me and buying me gifts. Some are in fact university students. Others are just here for the money. And believe me they are making large. Most pay cash but also a fair number have credit cards and/or pay with debit cards. They all eventually go back to China for a brief period after being here for awhile (a few months) but almost all return 2 to 3 months later. Hey think about it… at $80. a shot times 6, 8 or even 10 appointments a day… for anybody never mind someone who comes from a country where if they are lucky will makes peanuts by comparison… for them this is huge. I’m not saying that there is no slavery at all going on in GTA… a far as I know though none are advertising with me in Eye. If I ever found out or even suspected such a thing; trust me they would be busted (in more ways then one) in a NY minute. As far as I know any sex salve situations that have happened in GTA were MP places that do not advertise. They rely on word of mouth and sandwich boards on the street, that kind of stuff. If any of you guys go to a MP or InCall and suspect with good reason that sex slave situation or underage girls is going on… please let me know… I will take care of it immediately. Or better yet call the cops.

Thanks for your valuable insider's perspective on this important issue, NH. I commend you on your vigilance and encourage you to continue to watch out for the kind of situation where girls are working involuntarily. But when an incall is using girls against their will, do you really think they would send said girl into eye to renew an ad? Likely they would send someone else, and that someone else would have a good story for the person taking the ad, no? When a girl comes in to renew an ad for an $80 incall, you can chat them up and learn something of their situation, but all you have to go on is what this girl tells you. Just because they casually mention that they are studying part time at university or there are a number of girls sharing expenses does not mean that this accurately describes the situation at that incall. We all need to be alert and watch out for incalls where the girls may be forced into this kind of work. As has been pointed out, "mattress on the floor" operations and girls that cannot communicate in English are clues.

 

[danmand]

...is a BIG fucking degree.

One - when ever you chosde to stop...whatever the reasons...you stop. And you accept the consequences...which might be for the better (you made all the money you wanted) or for the worse (you just couldn't take it anymore, but still have the same issues that led you there in the first place). She elected to get in, she elects to get out.

Sex slaves stops, she gets a punch in the gut and a kick in the rear. She runs, she gets a bullet in the head. She didn't in by choice (or full disclosure), and she doesn't get to say when she gets out.

Either way - you figure its ok because you need to get off, right?

And I don't get it?

Nice reality you create to justify things...is this self justification or just debating for the sake of arguement?

You really don't get it. I am not justifying prostitution, on the contrary, I am telling you that economic induced prostitution is not much better than sex slavery, so stay away. You are the one creating a reality, where it is OK to exploit young women who are in desperate need for funds, because "they are free to do what they want".

I think the correct word for someone like you is hypocrite. Or if you still don't get it, we may have to use the word moron.

 

[RTRD]

Perhaps you would be right...

You really don't get it. I am not justifying prostitution, on the contrary, I am telling you that economic induced prostitution is not much better than sex slavery, so stay away. You are the one creating a reality, where it is OK to exploit young women who are in desperate need for funds, because "they are free to do what they want".

I think the correct word for someone like you is hypocrite. Or if you still don't get it, we may have to use the word moron.

...if

a) All prositutes chose to be sex workers out of economic desperation. But there is an entire thread where several went out their way to tell that wsn't the case. Go find it.

b) If I saw prostitutes

Having said that, if you think the difference between "economically induced" (as in I am doing this to turn my life around) and sex slavery (where a girl has no say in who she sees and how often she does see) is small one, well, moron is amonst the words we could chose.

Go hungry....until you find something else....or go dead. Yup. Close. That MUST be why all those homeless women are prositiutes on the side...because anybody would do it if they needed to, right? No need to "force" anyone into the sex trade...its a great way to make a living...

 

[danmand]

Well, at least we two morons agree that we should not go to places with sex slaves.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Thanks for your valuable insider's perspective on this important issue, NH. I commend you on your vigilance and encourage you to continue to watch out for the kind of situation where girls are working involuntarily. But when an incall is using girls against their will, do you really think they would send said girl into eye to renew an ad? Likely they would send someone else, and that someone else would have a good story for the person taking the ad, no? When a girl comes in to renew an ad for an $80 incall, you can chat them up and learn something of their situation, but all you have to go on is what this girl tells you. Just because they casually mention that they are studying part time at university or there are a number of girls sharing expenses does not mean that this accurately describes the situation at that incall. We all need to be alert and watch out for incalls where the girls may be forced into this kind of work. As has been pointed out, "mattress on the floor" operations and girls that cannot communicate in English are clues.

I agree that it is possible that the girl who comes in to pay for that ad could possibly be the 'front girl' and I am very aware of the mattress on the floor situation. The mattress on the floor thing is what I always tell my higher end advertisers to explain to jerk offs who call them and ask for $80. service and quote that they can get it for $80. So why pay $180.? I say, just tell them what it is they get for $80. ‘A mattress on the floor’ and 20mins if they are lucky. In other words you get what you pay for. As for is the front girl fooling me. You obviously don't know me. I have a little more intuition then that. I am 51 years old and have been working in this biz on and off since I was 15. I come up from the streets where intuition and instincts often mean the difference between life and death or hospitalization. I was born at night but not last night.