Sex and Non-Sex (Q for SPs)

[Ogenstein]

Recently there was a thread about rates and value.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14625

I am wondering what SPs think about charging the same rates for time spent not umm... providing service.

As an example, an SP charges $250/hr. Many SPs, at least those who post here on TERB, seem to be charming and intelligent and consequently, would likely prove delightful dinner companions.

However, when you starting putting together the financials for an extended evening, they get out of hand quickly (think four hours at the above rate plus dinner at a nice restaurant, say something on the King West block like St.Tropez or maybe over at Club Lucky and you are looking at oh... $1200 or more). Remember, you want to do more than just have dinner. I know that some SPs offer a modest discount when booking multiple hours but those discounts are just that, modest.

Spending a night would be a more extreme example `cause then you`re just sleeping. A dynamic duo would require taking out a second mortgage.

I`m curious what SPs actually think about this and also approximately what percentage of their bookings include such extracurricular activity.

 

[Ogenstein]

Re: They don't like it

I believe there is an agency on Montreal that charges a $100/ social rate

More creative: if companionship is ALL you are looking for, run a personal ad. Spend $500 on a full evening, most women will think your are God.

Social Rate -- never heard that expression before but I guess it describes what I meant. Additionally, I'm more curious than driven here.

Companionship as you've described isn't what I was really inquiring about. Good or bad, it's different from a night spent with an escort. Incidentally, there are women who will think you are a cow too, of the cash sort.

Hmmm... I'm not sure how to put it but I'll try this way. Maybe it's just me but it's easier to relax when you aren't worried about outcome.

This isn't good or bad. When playing baseball, unrelenting intensity is an asset. Different situation, different goals.

A relaxing night including great food, great company, great conversation and great sex is more appealing than a relaxing night with great sex. A great night as opposed to a great hour.

 

[Ogenstein]

Both -- Not Either / Or

I don't think intimacy happening in an appointment should have any bearing on what is charged.
To me, you're not paying for the intimacy part, and deserve a break for not getting it. You are paying for my time... or if you will, the companionship.
The ratio I find toward the two interests is a split. Those seeking just a dinner and say theater, are more then happy stopping there.

Thanks for your perspective. I find it interesting.

Actually, I didn't mean stopping there. Starting there but not stopping there. I'm talking more about a fully rounded evening in which some of the time, say half, is spent in entirely non-intimate activities. I can't remember the name of the lady discussed but I do recall a thread not so long ago in which someone asked for a recommendation as to an SP who would do him proud at a company function.

As an aside, I read a lot of posts where clients are concerned about whether an SPs attire will be demure enough for their condo's concierge. A long evening can provide an opportunity to spend time with an SP who is loaded for bear, so to speak, for a couple hours before returning home.

Because there is certainty involved when engaging an SP, doesn't mean that seduction must be foregone.

thanks
Ogenstein

 

[Groucho]

Guys
I must admit, I do kind of wonder why guys seem to crave purely social times from escorts. If you just want a social evening out, why wheedle rates with someone who isn't there to do that.

If all you really want is some social time with young ladies, that's not difficult to do. I'm a 53 year old ugly old fart, but, I've never found it all that difficult One of the regular bars I go to is a young folks bar. In the last 6 months, I went with a young (24 y.o.) lady to see the Lord of the Rings movie, because we were both fans; and went to a play with 3 young ladies, because I had talked it up and they got interested. Just tonight, I was talking to one of the regulars. She had just gotten a Harley. I've never been on a motorcycle. She's going to take me for a ride and I'm buying her dinner.
I'm not saying all this to brag (well, maybe just a little), but to say, if all you want is some social time with an attractive young lady, you can have it by being a gentleman in a place where there are lots of attractive young ladies. But, let's be clear. The only reason any of the above happened was because it was absolutely obvious that there was no agenda but the event. If I had come on to any of the young ladies, they would have laughed me out of town.
If ugly old me can do that, almost any of you guys can. So, get out there and mingle.<g>


Groucho

 

[alliwantislove]

Ogenstein - I don't think intamacy happening in an appointment should have any bearing on what is charged.

Thanks
Kathleen

But certainly all men would think that whether or not sex is included has a bearing on what they are willing to pay. What do you think you could charge if you told prospective customers that under no circumstances would there be any sexual activity?

Bob

 

[Dorm201]

Ogrestein,

Most of the fun of a social romantic evening is enjoying the company of the woman you are with. I honestly don't understand why one would want to go on an extended evening date with a SP blindly. It would be like going on a blind date for the evening. It could be completely awkward or extremely enjoyable. If the purpose is to spend some relaxing hours with a beautiful woman who enjoys your company and who's company you enjoy, Groucho seems to have the best suggestion, of seeing if you hit it off socially with a regular and taking it from there.

Personally, I agree whole-heartedly with you on the evening versus hour thing though. I've been seeing one well known and hard to book SP socially for the last little while, and I'll have to admit that a complete evening is by far more enjoyable than the 1 or 2 hour sessions we can only manage to book while she's working. But it is a YMMV world, we are both physically and mentally attracted to each other (in so much as we have admitted to each other), were we not physically or emotionally compatible an evening out would be depressingly awkward.

EDIT: Admittably, our social evenings do not involve money exchanged. So my example has less to do with the cost of a "social evening" but rather, the means by which a social relationship could be built out of a professional one.

 

[johnyboy]

If sp's think that doing the wild thing is the same as chatting at dinner on someones elses bill..wishfull thinking... but in realty not all men can work it for 4 hrs. and enjoy companionship so for them a wise sp would say... who makes 100 bucks tax free an hour.. for trying to be nice to someone and the burnout factor is like way less sorry I see no argument other than greed and because they can get!!!!

 

[beaver]

Most SPs and agencies offer a discounted rate for multiple hour bookings, think of that as ur "social" rate!

 

[Ogenstein]

As to why

A few of the posts in this thread have taken a why not find a woman for a genuine date stance. It's not an either/or thing though.

To my mind, an SP is a physical manifestation of fantasy. You can imagine a woman who can't speak English, a blonde, a brunette, a schoolgirl or a woman with the most wondrous muscle tone and like magic, they can appear.

Fantasy can be just sex or it can tower above it. It has no limits and I guess that part of some escort's allure is that there are few limits to what they can fulfill. Some fantasies may be exclusively sex while others may culminate in sex but begin much earlier -- during dinner, at a show, while walking back to an apartment...


As an aside, consider that many of the more professional escorts attempt to engage in dialogue, even if typed rather than spoken, prior to meeting. If you are a prospective client, then in all likelihood, your fantasies are developing and being nurtured long before finally being attended to.

 

[Ogenstein]

Re: Interesting thread.....

Ogrestein; in some of your posts, you answered your own question. Why??? Why not??

Some do it just because they can. No big mystery there.

Reason enough for any good thing.

For what it's worth and perhaps this is part of what prompted me to inquire initially, most reviews I've seen here tend to be uninformative (e.g. She was great! Really great! Did I mention that she was great!) or somewhat clinical (e.g. She did DFK, DATY but CBJ. YMMV but I got MSOG.) For the latter style, until you've read enough of them, you genuinely need a cue card to know what the heck was going on.

These are all good things to know before engaging an SP but...

p.s. That's ogenstein.