scientists are worried about a surprisingly cold ‘blob’ in the North Atlantic Ocean

[eznutz]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...bout-a-cold-blob-in-the-north-atlantic-ocean/

In the North Atlantic Ocean south of Greenland and Iceland, the ocean surface has seen very cold temperatures for the past eight months. What’s up with that?

First of all, it’s no error. I checked with Deke Arndt, chief of the climate monitoring branch at NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information, who confirmed what the map above suggests — some parts of the North Atlantic Ocean saw record cold in the past eight months. As Arndt put it by email:

For the grid boxes in darkest blue, they had their coldest Jan-Aug on record, and in order for a grid box to be “eligible” for that map, it needs at least 80 years of Jan-Aug values on the record.

...

I asked Mann and Rahmstorf to comment on the blue spot on the map above by e-mail. Here’s what Mann had to say:

I was formerly somewhat skeptical about the notion that the ocean “conveyor belt” circulation pattern could weaken abruptly in response to global warming. Yet this now appears to be underway, as we showed in a recent article, and as we now appear to be witnessing before our very eyes in the form of an anomalous blob of cold water in the sup-polar North Atlantic.

Rahmstorf also commented as follows:

The fact that a record-hot planet Earth coincides with a record-cold northern Atlantic is quite stunning. There is strong evidence — not just from our study — that this is a consequence of the long-term decline of the Gulf Stream System, i.e. the Atlantic ocean’s overturning circulation AMOC, in response to global warming.

 

[thumper18474]

is it possible that the melting of the polar ice caps resulting in the record # of huge chunks of ice breaking off is the cause and effect of this blob...

Day after tomorrow ...comes to mind
Was that movie purely fiction???..or loosely based on scientific fact?

 

[Titalian]

Maybe this has to do with our earth's magnetic field. I wonder if many you realise that we exist and are energy as the earth is, the carrier of life on this planet. !! The magnetic field on our planet is shifting.
Why? I'm not sure. But I do have an a theory! Its all based on our living planet.

 

[Frankfooter]

Maybe this has to do with our earth's magnetic field. I wonder if many you realise that we exist and are energy as the earth is, the carrier of life on this planet. !! The magnetic field on our planet is shifting.
Why? I'm not sure. But I do have an a theory! Its all based on our living planet.

No, glacial melt from Greenland is adding more cold, fresh water to the thermohaline current, also known as AMOC.
We've had two cold winters in a row while the rest of the world has had record warm winters.
If we get a third cold winter locally to Eastern Canada and the European coast with another globally warm year they'll have to seriously consider whether we've really messed up AMOC.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I think Thumper and Frankfooter's ideas are correct.

BTW, what does 'AMOC' stand for?

 

[anon1]

what does 'AMOC' stand for?

http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/150290/

 

[rhuarc29]

is it possible that the melting of the polar ice caps resulting in the record # of huge chunks of ice breaking off is the cause and effect of this blob...

This is my thought as well. Look at the location of the cold spots; offshore Greenland and just off the Antarctica Peninsula. Exactly where you'd expect degenerating ice caps to make an impact.

 

[Barca]

Does this mean we're going to have to call Dennis Quaid to save us and head to Mexico to avoid the upcoming ice age?

Truth is we are indeed fucking up our planet. In so many ways we have no idea.

 

[fuji]

Collect geographically disparate citizenships. You never know who is going to come out ahead when the climate changes. Canada could be totally fucked, or Canada could come out a winner. Hard to say.

While it will likely be slow enough not to make a huge difference in your own lifetime, it may matter in your children's lifetime.

 

[FAST]

No, glacial melt from Greenland is adding more cold, fresh water to the thermohaline current, also known as AMOC.
We've had two cold winters in a row while the rest of the world has had record warm winters.
If we get a third cold winter locally to Eastern Canada and the European coast with another globally warm year they'll have to seriously consider whether we've really messed up AMOC.

WRONG

POLAR VORTEX,...

http://a.static.trunity.net/files/172601_172700/172603/amo_timeseries_1856-present-1.jpg

As can been clearly seen in the above graph,...AMOC cycles are just ANOTHER natural climate phenomena,...as global temps,...and ocean levels rising for hundreds of years.

Scientists at ETH Zurich and the California Institute of Technology found that “[a]rctic amplification of global warming leads to even less frequent cold outbreaks in Northern Hemisphere winter than a shift toward a warmer mean climate implies by itself.”

The study, published in the Journal of Climate, used a simple climate model to argue that theories global warming will make winters worse are wrong. The paper says a rapidly warming Arctic will actually decrease the range of temperature fluctuations, making cold snaps rarer.


AND
A new study by NOAA scientists, published in the Journal of Climate, says it’s too early to tell if the last two winters were the product of a warming Arctic. There are potential links, the study found, but more research is needed.

But I am sure the UNEMPLOYABLES at NOAA will come up with an UNPROVABLE THEORY to support their cause soon enough.

FAST

 

[Frankfooter]

WRONG

POLAR VORTEX,...

http://a.static.trunity.net/files/172601_172700/172603/amo_timeseries_1856-present-1.jpg
...
But I am sure the UNEMPLOYABLES at NOAA will come up with an UNPROVABLE THEORY to support their cause soon enough.

FAST

Speaking of unemployable people....

You pulled a chart dated 2009 to talk about an event in 2015, which has probably only been notable for the last three winters or so.

Here's a good article with charts that are actually relevant to this discussion.
http://www.bitsofscience.org/gulf-stream-collapse-gradual-halt-amoc-graphs-6734/

 

[FAST]

Speaking of unemployable people....

You pulled a chart dated 2009 to talk about an event in 2015, which has probably only been notable for the last three winters or so.

Here's a good article with charts that are actually relevant to this discussion.
http://www.bitsofscience.org/gulf-stream-collapse-gradual-halt-amoc-graphs-6734/

The chart and input from NOAA,...and INDEPENDENT scientists without a motive,...that I linked,... did in fact comment on the gulf stream,...which is what YOU are commenting on here.

Two cold winters in Canada, out of thousands,...and Canada and Europe is going to freeze solid,...do you actually believe this shit,...

The fact that you are again stating that THE UNEMPLOYABLES still insist on looking at current trends of an infinitesimal period of time in the earths history,... confirms a complete lack of creditably.

Further,...from YOUR link,...

AMOC is currently in a weak state.
That however may change once the 2015-2016 Super El Niño is gone, and the Western Hemisphere Warm Pool disperses across the Atlantic. Not sure when that is going to happen. The current state will be of influence to both North America and Europe during the 2015-2016 winter. We should not forget AMOC is higly variable and also seems to follow a multi-year cycle with some limited predictability.

So once again you either do not read the info in the links, and/or,... you can't read them.

FAST

 

[Frankfooter]

The chart and input from NOAA,...and INDEPENDENT scientists without a motive,...that I linked,... did in fact comment on the gulf stream,...which is what YOU are commenting on here.

Two cold winters in Canada, out of thousands,...and Canada and Europe is going to freeze solid,...do you actually believe this shit,...

The fact that you are again stating that THE UNEMPLOYABLES still insist on looking at current trends of an infinitesimal period of time in the earths history,... confirms a complete lack of creditably.

Further,...from YOUR link,...

AMOC is currently in a weak state.
That however may change once the 2015-2016 Super El Niño is gone, and the Western Hemisphere Warm Pool disperses across the Atlantic. Not sure when that is going to happen. The current state will be of influence to both North America and Europe during the 2015-2016 winter. We should not forget AMOC is higly variable and also seems to follow a multi-year cycle with some limited predictability.

So once again you either do not read the info in the links, and/or,... you can't read them.

FAST

You are all over the place, fast but not accurate.

El Nino is really a 2015-1016 event, it had no effect on the last few years decline in AMOC, though it may have effect on it this year and possibly next.
They did detect a slowdown and if you look at the global temp maps like the one at the top of this thread you see that big blue blob there for the last couple/three years, which is the noted slowdown in AMOC.
Your 2009 chart is too old to catch the major changes, its really quite irrelevant to the discussion.

The only one showing themselves to be unemployable is you, through your failure to grasp these very basic points.

 

[bazokajoe]

blah blah blah.More fear mongering.

 

[rhuarc29]

WRONG

You dismiss one theory and proclaim another, both with 100% certainty. You don't see a problem with that way of thinking?

 

[FAST]

You are all over the place, fast but not accurate.

El Nino is really a 2015-1016 event, it had no effect on the last few years decline in AMOC, though it may have effect on it this year and possibly next.
They did detect a slowdown and if you look at the global temp maps like the one at the top of this thread you see that big blue blob there for the last couple/three years, which is the noted slowdown in AMOC.
Your 2009 chart is too old to catch the major changes, its really quite irrelevant to the discussion.

The only one showing themselves to be unemployable is you, through your failure to grasp these very basic points.

Can't you fricken read,...

This is from YOUR link,...word for word,...I don't make up shit like you do,...
AMOC is currently in a weak state.
That however may change once the 2015-2016 Super El Niño is gone, and the Western Hemisphere Warm Pool disperses across the Atlantic. Not sure when that is going to happen. The current state will be of influence to both North America and Europe during the 2015-2016 winter. We should not forget AMOC is higly variable and also seems to follow a multi-year cycle with some limited predictability.

The chart in question,... again is from your link,...and covers a span over 150 years,...but by your logic,...too old to catch the major changes,...so you would prefer one that covers the last 3 years,...that is ridiculous

FAST

 

[FAST]

You dismiss one theory and proclaim another, both with 100% certainty. You don't see a problem with that way of thinking?

Problem is,...one is FACT,...the POLAR VORTEX,...caused the last 2 colder than normal winters in north america,...NOT a theory.

The changes in the gulf stream causing the last 2 cold winters,...is in fact,...just a theory.

BIG difference.

FAST

 

[Frankfooter]

Can't you fricken read,...

This is from YOUR link,...word for word,...I don't make up shit like you do,...
AMOC is currently in a weak state.
That however may change once the 2015-2016 Super El Niño is gone, and the Western Hemisphere Warm Pool disperses across the Atlantic. Not sure when that is going to happen. The current state will be of influence to both North America and Europe during the 2015-2016 winter. We should not forget AMOC is higly variable and also seems to follow a multi-year cycle with some limited predictability.

The chart in question,... again is from your link,...and covers a span over 150 years,...but by your logic,...too old to catch the major changes,...so you would prefer one that covers the last 3 years,...that is ridiculous

FAST

Can you read?

The article says there is a slowdown in the AMOC (weak state) at present, that may, just may, be changed by el Nino.

But if the slowdown is caused by glacial melt its not going to get much better now that 2015 and quit possibly 2016 will be record warm years.
The slowdown to AMOC has only been noted in the last 5 years (or after your 2009 chart).
That's faster then was predicted.

Its too small a sample size to be absolutely certain, but if it is a slowdown in the AMOC (which is quite likely) then its going to have a big influence on climate in the very near future.

 

[rhuarc29]

Problem is,...one is FACT,...the POLAR VORTEX,...caused the last 2 colder than normal winters in north america,...NOT a theory.

The changes in the gulf stream causing the last 2 cold winters,...is in fact,...just a theory.

BIG difference.

FAST

Do you realize there could be a direct correlation between the two? The polar vortex is driven by the temperature differential between the poles and the equator. If land-based ice is finding its way to the northern oceans, slowing AMOC, that would decrease the transfer of warm currents north and cool currents south thereby strengthening the polar vortex.

 

[FAST]

Do you realize there could be a direct correlation between the two? The polar vortex is driven by the temperature differential between the poles and the equator. If land-based ice is finding its way to the northern oceans, slowing AMOC, that would decrease the transfer of warm currents north and cool currents south thereby strengthening the polar vortex.

You do realize that "could be" is something that climatologists use when expounding a "theory",...NOT fact.

And just were did you come up with this little tid bit

The polar vortex is driven by the temperature differential between the poles and the equator.

Fact is,...the POLAR VORTEX is influenced by low pressure areas.

An important point for the UNEMPLOYABLE worshipers,...what happened in 2104, has happened many times in the past, with records set that have not been broken.

Which brings us to another important point about the UNEMPLOYABLE's media,...records are always being set,...ALWAYS have been.

FAST