Scalia is a far-right, activist judge

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Scalia criticized those who believe in what he called the "living Constitution."

"That's the argument of flexibility and it goes something like this: The Constitution is over 200 years old and societies change. It has to change with society, like a living organism, or it will become brittle and break."

"But you would have to be an idiot to believe that," Scalia said. "The Constitution is not a living organism, it is a legal document. It says something and doesn't say other things."

Proponents of the living constitution want matters to be decided "not by the people, but by the justices of the Supreme Court."

"They are not looking for legal flexibility, they are looking for rigidity, whether it's the right to abortion or the right to homosexual activity, they want that right to be embedded from coast to coast and to be unchangeable," he said.
Hmmmm. In that case, let's get rid of the Air Force, since the Constitution only mentions the Army and the Navy.

Hmmmm. Let's make all wiretapping illegal since electricity was not invented when they wrote the Constitution.

Automobiles? Not in the Constitution. Can't regulate them in any way.

Abortion and homosexual activity? Back at ya, Fat Tony. Not in the Constitution, so it cannot be regulated. That would require amending the Constitution and that would be activist.

Hey, here's one for the right wingers. Let's eliminate income taxes!
 

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You forgot to mention indoor plumbing and the internet.

Oh yea by your arguement you too have to go.
 

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papasmerf said:
You forgot to mention indoor plumbing and the internet.

Oh yea by your arguement you too have to go.
Hey, it ain't my argument. It's Scalia's reductio ad absurdum.

And yes, you are correct. I am not mentioned in the Constitution, so I must go. To dinner.
 

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TOVisitor said:
Hey, it ain't my argument. It's Scalia's reductio ad absurdum.

And yes, you are correct. I am not mentioned in the Constitution, so I must go. To dinner.
you took the oppisite position to his wisdom. Thus you are making an arguement.

Enjoy your meal and don't for get to double tax for a tip.
 

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TOVisitor said:
Hmmmm. In that case, let's get rid of the Air Force, since the Constitution only mentions the Army and the Navy.

Hmmmm. Let's make all wiretapping illegal since electricity was not invented when they wrote the Constitution.

Automobiles? Not in the Constitution. Can't regulate them in any way.

Abortion and homosexual activity? Back at ya, Fat Tony. Not in the Constitution, so it cannot be regulated. That would require amending the Constitution and that would be activist.

Hey, here's one for the right wingers. Let's eliminate income taxes!
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." Why would you start a thread about the Constitution, when you have no clue as to how it works?

By the way, have you ever heard of the Sixteenth Amendment?
 
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Sigh...haven't you learned yet..never ever to challenge TOV with facts?It is an abstract concept for him..
But it is always entertaining to draw liberals into discussions about constructionism. They say the darndest things!
 

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Are all legal documents "living and breathing". How about your home mortgage, or personal will? What about laws in general? I think the level of crime found today is a de facto endorsement of crime by society, and therefore laws prohibiting crime should be reinterpreted. Tell you what, loan me a hundred grand, and I will sign your “living, breathing” loan repayment note. What do you say?

The audacity of Scalia to claim that the Constitution means what it says. What an extremist!
 

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I have quite a bit of respect for Scalia - he is a very intelligent man - but I don't agree with his interpretation of the Constitution - but hey that's why you have 9 justices and they all have their say on things!!!

when the Constitution was drafted, times were different and the drafters thought a different way and did not contemplate what the future would look like.
 

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zanner69 said:
I have quite a bit of respect for Scalia - he is a very intelligent man - but I don't agree with his interpretation of the Constitution - but hey that's why you have 9 justices and they all have their say on things!!!

when the Constitution was drafted, times were different and the drafters thought a different way and did not contemplate what the future would look like.
That is why they provided for an amendment process. Don't you get it? The founding fathers didn't want non-elected lifetime appointees "amending" the Constitution. The amendment process requires 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the States, or 5 activist judges. Which do you prefer?
 

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arclighter said:
That is why they provided for an amendment process. Don't you get it? The founding fathers didn't want non-elected lifetime appointees "amending" the Constitution. The amendment process requires 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the States, or 5 activist judges. Which do you prefer?
no need to give me a lecture on U.S. Constitution - I've taken that course in law school.

judges are NOT amending the Constitution - they are interpreting it - and they base their judgments on a variety of factors

Scalia uses morality as a big factor when he writes his opinions- where is that in the Constitution???

arclighter - if you respond to this you won't get a reply till monday - off to Ann Arbor!!!! - GO BLUE!!!
 

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zanner69 said:
no need to give me a lecture on U.S. Constitution - I've taken that course in law school.

judges are NOT amending the Constitution - they are interpreting it - and they base their judgments on a variety of factors

Scalia uses morality as a big factor when he writes his opinions- where is that in the Constitution???

arclighter - if you respond to this you won't get a reply till monday - off to Ann Arbor!!!! - GO BLUE!!!
You going to the MSU/UM game?
 

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zanner69 said:
no need to give me a lecture on U.S. Constitution - I've taken that course in law school.

judges are NOT amending the Constitution - they are interpreting it - and they base their judgments on a variety of factors

Scalia uses morality as a big factor when he writes his opinions- where is that in the Constitution???

arclighter - if you respond to this you won't get a reply till monday - off to Ann Arbor!!!! - GO BLUE!!!
When interpretation becomes invention, we have a problem. You know damn well that the Constitution doesn't address abortion. The abortion issue should have stayed at the state level. You also know that eminent domain was never intended to take private land for private use. I don't want to defend Scalia. If he is inventing things that aren't in the Constitution, then he is wrong. GO BLUE!!!
 

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DonQuixote said:
I hear the nonsense your responding to all the time. The Constitution was never
meant to be 'writ in granite' but to be a living document that is viable and
adaptable to the situation at hand. I had the same con law class you had and
can only conclude those like archy are reading a very biased and historically
questionable interpretation of the Constitution. The legitimacy of the Constitution
with its three branches of government is its ability to change with the times.
DQ, you may remember this article that examines just who is an activist judge and who is not.

July 6, 2005 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/o...5fac7774080327&ex=1278302400&pagewanted=print
So Who Are the Activists?
By PAUL GEWIRTZ and CHAD GOLDER


WHEN Democrats or Republicans seek to criticize judges or judicial nominees, they often resort to the same language. They say that the judge is "activist." But the word "activist" is rarely defined. Often it simply means that the judge makes decisions with which the critic disagrees.

In order to move beyond this labeling game, we've identified one reasonably objective and quantifiable measure of a judge's activism, and we've used it to assess the records of the justices on the current Supreme Court.

Here is the question we asked: How often has each justice voted to strike down a law passed by Congress?

Declaring an act of Congress unconstitutional is the boldest thing a judge can do. That's because Congress, as an elected legislative body representing the entire nation, makes decisions that can be presumed to possess a high degree of democratic legitimacy. In an 1867 decision, the Supreme Court itself described striking down Congressional legislation as an act "of great delicacy, and only to be performed where the repugnancy is clear." Until 1991, the court struck down an average of about one Congressional statute every two years. Between 1791 and 1858, only two such invalidations occurred.

Of course, calling Congressional legislation into question is not necessarily a bad thing. If a law is unconstitutional, the court has a responsibility to strike it down. But a marked pattern of invalidating Congressional laws certainly seems like one reasonable definition of judicial activism.

Since the Supreme Court assumed its current composition in 1994, by our count it has upheld or struck down 64 Congressional provisions. That legislation has concerned Social Security, church and state, and campaign finance, among many other issues. We examined the court's decisions in these cases and looked at how each justice voted, regardless of whether he or she concurred with the majority or dissented.

We found that justices vary widely in their inclination to strike down Congressional laws. Justice Clarence Thomas, appointed by President George H. W. Bush, was the most inclined, voting to invalidate 65.63 percent of those laws; Justice Stephen Breyer, appointed by President Bill Clinton, was the least, voting to invalidate 28.13 percent. The tally for all the justices appears below.

Thomas 65.63 %
Kennedy 64.06 %
Scalia 56.25 %
Rehnquist 46.88 %
O’Connor 46.77 %
Souter 42.19 %
Stevens 39.34 %
Ginsburg 39.06 %
Breyer 28.13 %

One conclusion our data suggests is that those justices often considered more "liberal" - Justices Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens - vote least frequently to overturn Congressional statutes, while those often labeled "conservative" vote more frequently to do so. At least by this measure (others are possible, of course), the latter group is the most activist.

To say that a justice is activist under this definition is not itself negative. Because striking down Congressional legislation is sometimes justified, some activism is necessary and proper. We can decide whether a particular degree of activism is appropriate only by assessing the merits of a judge's particular decisions and the judge's underlying constitutional views, which may inspire more or fewer invalidations.

Our data no doubt reflects such differences among the justices' constitutional views. But it even more clearly illustrates the varying degrees to which justices would actually intervene in the democratic work of Congress. And in so doing, the data probably demonstrates differences in temperament regarding intervention or restraint.

These differences in the degree of intervention and in temperament tell us far more about "judicial activism" than we commonly understand from the term's use as a mere epithet. As the discussion of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's replacement begins, we hope that debates about "activist judges" will include indicators like these.
What's interesting to recall is that both Thomas and Scalia have been on the bench while the Republicans have been in power. Thus, while the right wingers have been controlling the legislative agenda, it's these activist right-wing judges who are futher polluting the process by imposing their own agenda on us.
 

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Judicial Review: The Stalinist Perspective

Judicial review and judicial activism are not interchangeable terms.
 

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a review of activism

Mistuh T,

Have you got a legal (or at least logical) standard for us of the difference between judicial activism and review?

MW
 

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maxweber said:
Mistuh T,

Have you got a legal (or at least logical) standard for us of the difference between judicial activism and review?

MW
Yes, I do.

Judicial review is when a judge goes pooning and writes up the results on Terb. A distinctive feature of the judicial review is that anyone who accuses such a review of being a shill is in contempt of court and can be imprisoned for up to 60 days.

Judicial activism is (I forget what)
 
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