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Samsung does not copy Apple - Here's the proof!

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who gives a fuck!! why not compare tower pc's, tv's, monitors, fridges, cars, toilet paper rolls and more :rolleyes:
 

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Apple just needs to set the trends more or less, and they will be more profitable than the less creative copy cats. No one is setting trends in tower PC's, monitors, fridges etc.
 

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"Back in the day" the Xerox sales reps were always quick to point out to me that Apple copied them. One of them claimed to have seen the first ever mouse in the Xerox lab made of wood.
 

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LMAO!!!

They all copy each other!....:D
 

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its just adds more fuel to the piss fight amongst their lawyers
 

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Next thing we'll be hearing from the religious followers of Mac is that they (Mac) invented the mouse (Xero) (...and possibly the wheel).
The GUI was ALLL their idea, nobody else came up with it *cough* Xerox *cough*.

Then of course the LG Prada (first touch phone screen).....



Let's just leave it at this, Apple has a brilliant marketing team, a great sales team (for determining the insane price points for glorified PCs) and a very capable team of industrial designers.
The LG Prada was the first mainstream touchscreen phone before the iPhone.


But to claim that they're such brilliant innovators is negligible and laughable.
At least Microsoft comes out and buys the company outright, Apple copies and makes it their own, right down to the OS it seems (UNIX anyone?) then seems to claim it was all them.

Linux came out with what could be known as the first "app store" with Synaptic Package Manager in 2004.
The App Store came out in 2008......
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/op...on-from-the-heart-of-the-linux-community/2098
 
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"Pirates of Sililcon Valley", watch it, it's a great flick.

The business model of that entire industry is steal good ideas from somebody else and try and do it better. If Apple is getting screwed by Samsung stealing their ideas.. well karma's a bitch.
 

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"Pirates of Sililcon Valley", watch it, it's a great flick.

The business model of that entire industry is steal good ideas from somebody else and try and do it better. If Apple is getting screwed by Samsung stealing their ideas.. well karma's a bitch.
Exactly.
Here's an article that sums it up.
I like one comment below the video "Patents are originally meant to protect the little guy, now they're just used by big companies to stifle innovation".

http://betanews.com/2011/09/24/apple-patent-lawsuits-are-hypocritical/

 

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http://betanews.com/2011/09/24/apple-patent-lawsuits-are-hypocritical/

I've been fairly critical of Apple's recent patent bullying -- what I call innovation through intimidation/litigation.
The Apple Fanclub of bloggers and journalists defend the company's patent and other intellectual property claims as protecting its innovations from copying, particularly by Samsung. But who's copying whom?

As several Betanews commenters recently point out, Apple cofounder, current Chairman and former CEO Steve Jobs admits to the company copying from others.
From a mid 1990s interview: "Picasso had a saying, he said: 'Good artists copy, great artists steal'. We have, you know, always, ah, been shameless about stealing great ideas".

Jobs proudly proclaims that Apple steals great ideas. Shamelessly. I don't have a problem with that. I don't believe there are any original ideas, anyway, something that is becoming more apparent as social media services connect more people.
We take cues from the natural world and the people around us.
Innovation is a process not so much of creating something new but taking what we know and applying it in different ways or adapted to new situations.
I remember when Apple introduced Mac laptops with backlit keys, which got rave (and deserved) praise from Mac fans and others.
But light in darkness isn't a new concept, nor backlit keys.

Look no further than your car's dashboard and radio when the headlights are on. Apple innovated in how it brought that concept to the Mac.

But even then, the company worked with technologies already available. It's not like Apple engineers spent hundreds of millions of dollars producing a new light source for lighting laptop keyboards. I'm not trying to diminish Apple invention but look at it from a different viewpoint.
Apple defenders don't see it that way. I hear it so often: "No one created touchscreen cell phones shaped like iPhone until Apple, then everyone copied".
"Galaxy Tab looks like iPad 2 -- it's copying, stealing". But what's wrong with that?
The cornerstone of patent law is limited monopoly.
The government grants the inventor a limited-time monopoly on the invention in exchange for publishing it.
The idea is to spur more invention by way of derivative works, and in a sense that's innovation by copying on the work of others. Society hugely benefits from this approach, as one inventor's creation leads someone else to make something else -- thus pushing technology's advance. Patents are supposed to spur innovation, not prevent it.
Here's another-universe hypothetical: Apple owns rights to all the technologies in iPhone and its look and feel.
The courts rule that no one else can create a touchscreen phone, use proximity sensors, gestures or other functions.
As a result, Apple locks up the market for smartphones, and no one else can compete.
What happens? Innovation stops.
Without competition, Apple has little incentive to innovate. iPhone prices remain high, and the company seeks to protect its market and sales position rather than develop something new.
That just about describes every monopoly that ever existed.
Another reason for the foundational principles behind patent law and the granting of limited-time monopoly: Prevent real monopolies from forming like this hypothetical one.
Instead, Apple files patent and intellectual claims with the International Trade Commission and the courts against competitors like HTC or Samsung.
Apple uses the legal process to prevent others from innovating, by engaging in competition by litigation.
The company's legal filings accuse competitors of copying its products.
But who's copying whom? Jobs' 1979 visit to Xerox PARC, where he was introduced to the concepts of graphical user interface and mouse that he later incorporated into Macintosh, is legendary.
Apple is a notorious copier -- granted taking others' ideas and doing something else with them, or something at all.
Few months back, I identified five things iOS 5 copies from Android, for example.
I could write a lengthy post on Apple's copying practices, there are so many examples.
But that's okay. Building on the work of others is how societies benefit.
It's cornerstone of concepts like public domain or even fair use, and absolutely how patents are meant to be used -- not to protect one's invention but to spur even more from others.
Is there something hypocritical here? That it's okay for Apple to copy -- in Jobs' words steal -- but unacceptable for others to do the same or invent something new learned from Apple innovations? I pose the question to you.
 

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Everyone who is anti-Apple conveniently leaves out that Apple paid Xerox for use of their interface ideas, and ahead of time. I don't think Samsung paid Apple for the cloning of the IOS launcher into Touchwiz ahead of time. The difference with Samsung is they don't even make the effort to morph the ideas they've taken from Apple into something that looks different, they're pretty much identical at first glance. The notification system Apple copied ideas and added features to, they didn't just make a "Xerox copy" of Android's notifications.
 

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Everyone who is anti-Apple conveniently leaves out that Apple paid Xerox for use of their interface ideas, and ahead of time.
Stevo seems to dispute that....

 

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Exactly. Funny how everyone loves to gloss over history.
+1!!!
Especially when some fanbois gloss over the historical fact Steve Jobs felt, 'good artists copy, great artists steal'!...:eyebrows:
 

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Everyone who is anti-Apple conveniently leaves out that Apple paid Xerox for use of their interface ideas, and ahead of time. I don't think Samsung paid Apple for the cloning of the IOS launcher into Touchwiz ahead of time. The difference with Samsung is they don't even make the effort to morph the ideas they've taken from Apple into something that looks different, they're pretty much identical at first glance. The notification system Apple copied ideas and added features to, they didn't just make a "Xerox copy" of Android's notifications.

I'll ask you this way, did Apple invent the GUI? The core of every consumer and (some) commercial level OS's?
Did they invent the mouse? Or the touchpad?


The point is, DJ was knocking Samsung for copying, yet Apple is NOTORIOUS for doing the very same thing.
The only thing I think they can really claim to innovate...
-is grossly overpricing their products
-great marketing
-and a great future mothership'ish corporate headquarters.



I think the reason why devout Macheads get defensive is because they pay a premium for a product they know isn't all that too different from UNIX based OS's as well as Linux (see "terminal" as an example).

I'd be pretty defensive as well if I paid premo dollars for a product that others did just as well for a fraction of the cost.



So, did they invent the GUI?
 

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I'll ask you this way, did Apple invent the GUI? The core of every consumer and (some) commercial level OS's?
Did they invent the mouse? Or the touchpad?
No, they did not/

The point is, DJ was knocking Samsung for copying, yet Apple is NOTORIOUS for doing the very same thing.
The only thing I think they can really claim to innovate...
-is grossly overpricing their products
-great marketing
-and a great future mothership'ish corporate headquarters.
Then, clearly, you're not much of a thinker.


I think the reason why devout Macheads get defensive is because they pay a premium for a product they know isn't all that too different from UNIX based OS's as well as Linux (see "terminal" as an example).

I'd be pretty defensive as well if I paid premo dollars for a product that others did just as well for a fraction of the cost.
Maybe you'd be pretty defensive but the vast majority of "Macheads" don't really care what's beneath the pretty skin.

It's also interesting that you bring in Linux because a couple of years ago, there was a call from the top Linux honchos to developers to copy the look and feel of OS X in order to make desktop Linux distros more palatable to consumers.
 

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They're not much innovators if they had to copy the core of the system, a GUI.

Synaptic Package Manager, well before the app store.

The only thing I could think of that they innovated was cramming everything into the monitor and clearing up the clutter with wires, bravo for that.


For what you're paying, you should care for what's beneath the skin.
Or do you only care about the shell? Because that seems to be implied in your statement and well, who isn't the real thinker in this case in regards to getting true value for what they're paying? lol
 

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Ok Samsung doesn't copy some Apple ideas, they clone them as much as possible... More than any other manufacturer.


As far as I can tell, the App store looks a whole lot more refined than the basic synaptic package manager. It looks like an ecomm site more than a list of packages.
 
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