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Does any one other than me remember Ryne Duren? He pitched mainly for the Yanks during the late fifties and early sixties.

I came across his stats on Baseball-reference.com recently and it brought back memories of a real character.

He was a righthander who pitched mostly in relief. His stuff was legendary smoke. He could throw a baseball through a brick wall, except that the wall would have to be bigger than the side of a barn for him to hit it.

When he came out to the mound, he squinted through Coke-bottle eyeglasses. Looking directly at him was like looking at a frog through four feet of ice. His warm-ups went up the screen, way over the catcher's head and anywhere else but in the strike zone. I think this was really mostly for show and to intimidate the batter. He did strike out 630 in 589 career innings so he threw hard.

I remember him in Detroit in 1961, throwing twelve high fastballs to Rocky Colavito. The Rock kept fouling them off until he finally struck out swinging, probably from the fatigue of swinging for the fences a dozen times.

It would be interesting to hear about other such characters from the baseball of times gone by, not the crap that has been the sport since 1973, when Andy Messerschmidt and Catfish Hunter ruined the memories of the "Boys of Summer."
 

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He was scary-wild. Effective, though...
I remember the Tigers had Don Mossi, the jug-eared pitcher ("...he looked like a cab going down the street with all its doors open." - Jim Bouton, "Ball Four") who lost a 1-0 heartbreaker at Yankee Stadium, Labour Day weekend, 1961. It spurred the Yankees on to a sweep, and rendered the Tigers the most forgotton 101-win team in history...
 

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Speedo,

I remember the chatter about Don Mossi being the ugliest player in the major leagues. Maybe they were right. He had a very large nose to go with his Dumbo flaps, but he wasn't that bad a pitcher. He was a southpaw with lots of stuff.

I have no good comments about Jim Bouton because of his "Ball Four" expose except to say that he always lost his hat when he let loose a real high hard one.

Elroy Face was an interesting reliefer for the Pittsburgh Pirates. He had a palm ball type pitch that he called the "fart ball." I emulated him as a kid. Today I fart a lot without the use of a baseball.
 

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Didn't Face win something like 18 games one year?
He was a great reliever...

Growing up in London, I was able to get Pirate road games on Erie TV with the incomparable Bob "Gunner" Prince at the mike. ("...C'mon, Roberto, clunk one!")
 

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When he came out to the mound, he squinted through Coke-bottle eyeglasses. Looking directly at him was like looking at a frog through four feet of ice. His warm-ups went up the screen, way over the catcher's head and anywhere else but in the strike zone. ..
Wasn't this part of a movie? (starring a well known hobbiest)
 

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I think that you are referring to Charlie Sheen in "Major Leagues". However, Ryne Duren did the same thing thirty years earlier in real life. There has not been an imitator since, even though there have been unique reliefers such as Rollie Fingers, Al "Mad Hungarian" Hrabosky, Stu Miller (who got blown off the mound by the wind), Sparky Lyle and several others who contributed their idiosyncrasies to the summer sport.
 

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The Astros of the 1980's had a big reliever, Charlie Kerfield. He was 6-6, and wore glasses, and threw pretty hard. He didn't last long though.

For hard throwing relievers, though, my favorite was always Goose Gossage.
 

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The Brus said:
Al "Mad Hungarian" Hrabosky
I remember the time he worked himself into his usual lather behind the mound and went to slam the ball into his glove and missed, firing it out towards left field... :)

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Stu Miller
...who also pitched part of a no-hitter (with Steve Barber) the Orioles lost to the Tigers at Memorial Stadium...
 

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Doc Ellis pitching a no-hitter on LSD...what a wild man. I gotta say though, as a Tiger's fan, The Bird was fun while he lasted.
I had a chance to meet Rocky Colavito when I was a kid in the Tiger clubhouse. I put my hand out to shake his hand, and he wouldn't shake it until he did the "Colavito stretch" with his bat. :) Gotta love the Rock.
 

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DonQuixote,

Sorry to correct you about one of my all-time heroes. It was Ryne Duren, not Ryan Duran. He was not Hispanic. We can't compare Randy Johnson to Mossi; different era, different batters, different ball, different bats, different stadiums, even different uniforms. That's why we really can't compare the Babe to Barry Bonds, or Bob Gibson to Roger Clemens. There are too many variables that are different.

However, Rocky Colavito belongs in the Hall of Fame. His numbers are very similar to Johnny Bench's numbers. Additionally, as a pitcher, he had an 0.00 ERA over his career, although he only pitched twice and managed to strike out the great Don Wert.

I remember another good player of two generations ago. He was Richie Allen, formerly of the Phillies, who was playing first base for the Chisox on a warm evening at Tiger Stadium in 1972. We asked for his autograph and he continually ignored us. Peanuts Lowry, a coach, saw our futility and offered to sign our programmes instead. He made our day.

To this very day, I wonder. Who was Peanuts Lowry?
 

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However, Rocky Colavito belongs in the Hall of Fame. His numbers are very similar to Johnny Bench's numbers.
I don't know what Colavito's career stats were, but you can't compare him to Bench because Bench was a catcher. There haven't been that many catchers with great career stats because catcher is traditionally considered a defensive position.
 

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Homonger,

I know that you can't compare the Rock's figures with Bench's, but he remains to this day the sentimental favourite of this kid who watched many of his 45 home runs in 1961 and idolized him. To me, he still deserves to be in the Hall of Fame even though I may be the only one who thinks so.

Another player of note was my friend Earl Wilson, who passed away in April of this year. He played for over ten years and won over a hundred games. He had a twenty win season with the Tigers in 1967 and celebrated when the Tigers won the Series in 1968. He was quite a power hitter too, hammering 35 lifetime homeruns, which was not bad for a pitcher.

I previously wrote about him when he passed so I hope I am not redundant. He told me about starting his career with the Red Sox. The Sox in 1959 had never had a black player, so his inclusion on the team created quite a stir. He was ostracized as a pariah. No one would talk to him, not even the manager. Being black, he was not allowed to eat or sleep with the white players in many places on the road, since it was still Jim Crow time in 1959. That left a bitter taste in his mouth and he resented the treatment he got.

He sucked it in and played for a dozen years. When he retired, he stayed in the Detroit area and operated a machine shop in Detroit that specialized in overhauling car engines. He had to continue to work because he didn't make much money as a ballplayer and the pension was peanuts. That is a far cry from today, when many ballplayers are set for life prior to retirement.
 

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Earl Wilson ws great, and had the misfortune of playing for the two "country clubs" in the majors throughout the '60's -- the Red Sox and Tigers. Wilson, Gates Brown and Willie Horton were the only black players on the '68 champs, and all three made tremendous contributions...
 

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Earl could hit too... he'd average about 4 or 5 home runs a year, and he was occasionally used as a pinch hitter, not only for the pitcher, but for Tigers shortstop Ray Oyler, who hit like a pitcher.

In 1964, the Tigers made one of the stupidest trades of all time when they sent Jim Bunning to the Phillies for Don Demeter, a glove man in centerfield. Bunning is now in the Hall of Fame.

Two years later, the Tigers made amends by getting Earl Wilson for, wait for it, Don Demeter.

Does that make Don Demeter the most overrated player in history?
 

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The Brus said:
I know that you can't compare the Rock's figures with Bench's, but he remains to this day the sentimental favourite of this kid who watched many of his 45 home runs in 1961 and idolized him. To me, he still deserves to be in the Hall of Fame even though I may be the only one who thinks so.
That's okay, I understand. I feel that way about Darryl Strawberry ;)

But seriously, I remember the 1985 N.L. East pennant race, Mets vs. Cardinals in a critical 3 game series. Strawberry hits a home run off the clock in the scoreboard to win the game 1-0. It was just like 'The Natural'.
 
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