Remember gramage's conspiracy thread?

[Master Muse]

Earlier this month a poster named gramage declared with certitude that it was obvious the Laker-Kings game 6 was rigged so that there could be another game thus generating more advertising revenue. He called it an "embarrassment to pro sports".

I wonder what he thinks of the 4-game sweep by the Lakers? Perhaps the NBA and its sponsors had enough money and just wanted to take some time off?

Who's an "embarrassment" now?

 

[Squatting Tiger]

Did you even see game 6 of the Lakers-Kings series?!?!?

That was an embarassment to all sports. If I was a casual fan and wanted to see if NBA basketball was worth my while I would have been disgusted.

Unless you are a die hard Lakers fan, I don't think you'd be saying what you posted above. The additude of the three refs in the final quarter was just plain inexplicable. Gramage was just offering a possible reason why it happened. And he was not just refering to one instance in that game, it was call, after call, after call, after call that went the Lakers way, and no-call, after no-call, after no-call, after no-call that didn't go in the Kings favour. Fer cryin out loud, the Lakers could have been bludgeoning the Kings with baseball bats and the refs would have called the Kings for technical fouls (a flagrant headbutt to the bat).

When gramage suggested that it was a conspiracy, I could see his point. The premier matchup for the NBA was the Laker-Kings series, and wouldn't the NBA be scared of a Sacramento-New Jersey final? So the Lakers, the NBA and the NBA Referees are one huge embarassment. BTW if it was a Kings-Nets final, the Kings would have had a 4-game sweep too.

 

[StuGatz]

I'm just glad it is over. NJ didn't have a shot in winning and extending the series would be torture to watch. Now for the Wings to put the Canes away and end this extra long hockey season!

 

[gramage]

I didn't catch any of the games so I don't know, but I'll assume there were no fixes.

 

[Master Muse]

Have I ever seen lousy referees? Of course. How does that lead to fixed games?

Do you have a clue as to how many people would have to be in on the conspiracy?

You're naive if you think the NBA is going to kill the golden goose for one more night of ad money which, by the way, goes to the networks, not the NBA.

And if you think Sacramento-New Jersey is small-time, what do you think of So. Carolina and whichever?

The squatter poster's logic is idiotic. Essentially it says that if something is inferable, it may be so. That is correlation, not causation. One needs EVIDENCE not speculation and everyone is innocent unless proven otherwise.

 

[Squatting Tiger]

The squatter poster's logic is idiotic. Essentially it says that if something is inferable, it may be so. That is correlation, not causation. One needs EVIDENCE not speculation and everyone is innocent unless proven otherwise.

This is no court of law, I was defending gramage's opinion. But obviously he can't have one since you have to prove your opinions now with evidence. Now that's what I call idiotic logic.

There was no fixed games but getting on gramage's by calling him an embarassment is quite rude. Who are you anyway, David Stern? I never said that gramage's point was the real reason why the Lakers won, just that he can put a good argument about the bad officiating. For the record my opinion is that the refs were highly influenced by the crowd, were having an off-day (despite the importance of the game), and were biased towards the star players (on both sides, unfortunately there are bigger stars on LA). BTW, you don't need many people to form a conspiracy, all you need is three referees to conspire to get the Sacramento centres to foul out. Who else has to be involved?

We're not trying to prove there is a conspiracy, but just trying to excuse the NBA/NBC/referees what happened in that game. If you've ever watched an NBA basketball game you'd know that certain premier teams and players get favourable calls. Now if all three officials, the scorers desk, time officials and the main TV broadcaster place the Lakers as winners even before they've won, we can pretty much say anything we want. We can't prove or disprove our opinions, because that's all they are, opinions. Sheesh.

 

[duncecap]

I AM a die hard Lakers fan, and I don't believe there was any conspiracy. That being said the refereeing in game 6 was atrocious. The refereeing in the other 6 games was only bad, for both teams.

 

[gramage]

I'll admit I could be wrong about the game being fixed. It could just have been the worst officiated game in my lifetime (if not in NBA history) with every single bad call being in favour of the Lakers, but given the situation (being playoff game with lots of coverage) I have trouble believing that these refs chosen because they were among the best during the season, could have been that incompetent. I'm sure NBC would have preferred a 5 to 6 game series, but even if the refs wanted to fix the game, the Nets never played well enough and the lakers dominated to much to let them.