I just finished watching Rambo First Blood on Bell Expressview. The next movie on is Rambo - First Blood II. In the first episode he returns to America and does not fit in. In the second episode he is returned to Vietnam to search for American POWs left behind and working in slave labor camps. In all this time, since the Vietnam/American war there has been not a shred of evidence that there was even one POW left behind or any prison work camps where they were kept. In the same way that the war movies of the 50s and 60s made the Germans to be inhuman killers, the Vietnamese were made to be soulless treacherous killers. Not like the God fearing, church going Americans.
Rambo/ The Deer hunter - Hate propaganda
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This is the first pro-Nazi post I have seen on TERB. You probably thought you were on another board.
FWIW: Rambo is an actual Finnish Surname, there was a John Rambo who was a Settler in New Sweden.
Rambo - First Blood II was certainly an example of jingoism at its finest, but calling it 'hate' may be a bit strong.
Meanwhile, I'm not sure I get the reference to the Deer Hunter?
Meanwhile, I'm not sure I get the reference to the Deer Hunter?
Perhaps he doesn't like that The Deer Hunter got all the credit for Stanley Myers "Cavatina" when it was actually first used in the British film The Walking Stick? Or that Rutanya Alda (the bride) is actually Latvian rather than Russian?
Rambo II and the Deer Hunter exploited America's hate for a former enemy at the time. There was the scene in the Deer Hunter where the American soldiers were prisoners and were made to play Russian roulette with a pistol. When they out smarted the Vietnamese captors. That scene also exploited the hate for a former enemy. Many Americans actually believe that they won the war in Vietnam when in fact they were chased out. I am just pointing out how a notion from a film can make people believe that there were actually POWs left behind in Vietnam in forced labor camps. There were many MIA soldiers whos families were desperate to believe that these soldiers may have still be alive in the early 80s.
The Deer Hunter was fictional, but I am sure that American prisoners were mistreated. As I am sure the Viet Cong prisoners were mistreated by Americans. These things happen in all wars. In WWII there were atrocities on the side of the Axis Forces as well as the Allies. I know of two stories that happened in Italy in WWII. In the first story I was told by an old Italian guy that the Germans occupied his town of Solerno at the end of the war, the Germans did not harass or bother anyone. In another story I was told about a massacre by another Italian in his town where they shot 30 men in the town square because a German convoy was attacked and the Germans wanted the location of the partisans that did the attack. Rambo and The Deer Hunter are fiction, sometimes fiction is distorted and become reality in some minds.
Dude, as you've pointed out, this is fiction. When it comes to reality, no sides are angels in war. Even in professional armies abuses can happen in the midst of war. I've heard stories, possibly apocryphal, from the first world war of British and Canadian soldiers dealing with POW's with a hand grenade in a bunker.
However, to be clear, there is a special place in hell for certain Germans and people from other totalitarian regimes in the 1930's and 1940's for the attempted genocidal actions they took. They really thought differently than we do now about mistreating or even exterminating whomever they deemed as non-human.
I think you have bought into the notion tat every last German soldier in WWII was an evil Monster.
If you are referring to me, no, nothing could be further from the truth.
How many people here remember Rambo 3 where he goes to Afghanistan to help the Taliban?
No, it's not a joke.
No, it's not a joke.
It is pretty shocking to have grown up watching M.A.S.H. and now seeing shows like 24 and war propaganda films like Black Hawk Down, Act of Valour or Zero Dark Thirty.
We have stories about the press vetting stories through Israel and an LA reporter caught vetting stories through the CIA.
Same way protests aren't shown on TV any more or barely make the news.
We have stories about the press vetting stories through Israel and an LA reporter caught vetting stories through the CIA.
Same way protests aren't shown on TV any more or barely make the news.
But we also have had Lions for Lambs, Rendition, In The Valley of Elah, Three Kings, etc. Also some revisting WW2 - Letters from Iwo Jima, etc. These are definitely not rah rah propganda about war. Homeland on TV is also not single-dimensioned about the war on terror,The Americans is a very sympathetic approach to spying on American soil during the Cold War, etc.
You were sucked in by Lawrence Gelbart. Dr. H. Richard Hornberger, M.D. (Richard Hooker), the author of the semi-autobiographical novel on which all else was based, despised the movie and television series stating that he had written a novel chiding Army bureaucracy, and Hollywood turned it into an anti-military film and T.V. Series.
Groggy did you actually watch Zero Dark 30, or did skip the first 40 minutes with all the torture scenes? I wouldn't call it propaganda, it's ambiguous in its aims neither pro nor anti war - it offends everybody.
The best cheesiest example of jingoism run amok is Top Gun. Name another films that's both pro-war and homo-erotic at the same time. Truly a rare classic.
The best cheesiest example of jingoism run amok is Top Gun. Name another films that's both pro-war and homo-erotic at the same time. Truly a rare classic.
Admiral Jeremiah Denton Jr. used his eyes to blink the word "TORTURE" using Morse Code during his captivity in Vietnam. He was being filmed for propaganda purposes and this video was broadcast around the world. Naval Intelligence was able to decipher his "strange" blinking. He was awarded the Navy Cross, our Nation's 2nd highest military honor for his heroism as a P.O.W.
The Deer Hunter can be forgiven, the Vietnam War was still an open wound to Americans when it was made.
But Argo is unforgivable, all of a sudden the bumbling CIA are the heroes? It has bad as the the Americans claiming to take the Enigma Machine in WW II in U-571. And Ben Affleck is too shallow an actor to redeem himself like Matthew McConaughey did. I hope Batman vs Superman crashes and burns, with Zac Snyder at the helm that shouldn't be a problem.
But Argo is unforgivable, all of a sudden the bumbling CIA are the heroes? It has bad as the the Americans claiming to take the Enigma Machine in WW II in U-571. And Ben Affleck is too shallow an actor to redeem himself like Matthew McConaughey did. I hope Batman vs Superman crashes and burns, with Zac Snyder at the helm that shouldn't be a problem.
