Should universities admit students based on race instead of academic merit? Yes? No? Maybe? Apparently, the U.S. Supreme Court will revisit this issue again.
Race Based University Admission
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They have quotas because they're acknowledging how racist hiring practices are without them, so they institute this to ensure the hiring managers aren't hiring their own.
And you have a solid reference on this policy?
I very highly doubt what you are claiming.
Hiring is different than admittance to university. I think SAT tests are still "blind" so nobody knows the colour of the testee until he or she puts it on their application to university.
Here is an example of the admitting practice of the Univesrity of Texas at Austin. 80% of all Latino and African Americans are automatically admitted.
Here is an example of the admitting practice of the Univesrity of Texas at Austin. 80% of all Latino and African Americans are automatically admitted.
sure.. they should have quotas. Would encourage other races.. let's face it some people are just not as fortunate and wouldn't stand a chance competing with some well off familiy's kid or that kid brought up by a tiger mom xD
Even some big firms I've worked/interned in hire people of different races to say they're an equal opportunity firm.
Even some big firms I've worked/interned in hire people of different races to say they're an equal opportunity firm.
It's an affirmative admissions program not a affirmative graduation program. If he graduated and passed his boards it wouldn't matter. The fact you can't see that tells us your more like CM's kind than should be comfortable.
This case is actually a little different and may be fact specific. The SCOTUS decided many years ago that affirmative action was constitutional.
This case involves a university which decided that its admissions policy should be based on accepting to top 10% of students from every school in I think it was the sate. In any event because there was de facto segregation in the school system this did have the effect of favoring students of different ethnicities depending on the school. It is unclear whether the Court will deal with the larger issue of affirmative action generally.
This must be the 2003 decision in Grutter v. Bollinger case. The author (Sandra Day O'Connor) of that opinion has since retired and her replacement Samuel Alito is highly skeptical of racial preferences.
You are correct and the Court may in fact take this opportunity to revisit the entire issue. Time will tell.
I know there is a BLACK ONLY High School in TO with 7or 8 students.Could Canada have an all BLACK College-Univ. like they have in the US???
Does the US have an ALL WHITE College-Univ?? I'll bet they DON'T!!!!
Does the US have an ALL WHITE College-Univ?? I'll bet they DON'T!!!!
Is this Afro centric High School that started a few years back as an elementary school with an enrollment of 100+. Wow, total failed experiment. I guess the squeaky wheels back then really didn't know what was really needed. I don't think it was black only.
They did for over 200 years.
plus: What makes you think that academic merit alone will favour whites only?
Here's the problem,
I recall when I was in high school, white students were never in class. Many of them were skipping to bang their white girlfriends, and/or smoking weed. The only kids in class were the Brown and Asian kids. They did the math, the physics, the chemistry. Somehow though, these white kids all passed with great grades and got into university. Not in class, not doing the work, not learning a thing.
How does this happen? White teachers grade on a race scale. "I'll look after my own" type of thing. Hard to prove, but easy to tell. So a high school transcript does lie. And this is the basis for university admissions. So universities have a color blind policy, because the high school teachers are completely biased in their grading. High marks = entrance into the best schools, money from scholarships etc. How do you think all these white kids get to somehow go to Queen's and Western without being in class and smoking weed all the time? It doesn't change in university. I know a ton of white people who have cheated to get through university (while still smoking weed, and fucking their girlfriends).
Look at high school demographics, then look at University demographics and see if they match up. I can tell you in my classes they definitely didn't, and as usual the white kids somehow did better without being in class -copying other people's work, submitting last year's work, Professors and TA's grading their own higher than non-whites. This is why I always look at the way Canada treats non-whites at the basic level. You can hide your racism, and discriminate in major ways that matter (grading, hiring etc.). Basic level treatment would be: How many times was I invited to a white person's house for dinner? (for me, it was maybe five times in 40 years), for birthdays? into their homes? etc. How many of them would really be comfortable with me dating/fucking their daughters (not many), and how many white girls did I date in high school - none. In university it was funny, because you then become the "exotic" fling a white girl wants to have so she can brag to her friends, or check it off her list of guys she's fucked on the downlow, behind their boyfriend's back. You wouldn't believe how many white girls wanted to fuck me in college while their boyfriends had no fucking clue. I am not like that, and have only once done that, out of maybe hundreds of approaches, but these same white girls would never go out on a date with me, be seen in public walking on the street with them, or acknowledge me in class. Fucking bullshit.
The whole point I am trying to make is if the respect isn't there at the basic level, it won't be there at the professional/academic level. People think the same, but act differently in different circles because they don't want people to find out what they really think, such as the many racist teachers and professors out there who do grade on a race level, which does exclude minority access to schools (or more importantly the schools "their own" go to - cough Queen's and Western cough), who wouldn't want their daughters to date outside their race. Or the white girls who fuck other non-whites behind their white boyfriend's back as a trophy fuck.
It doesn't change. This whole issue of race based admissions touches upon some real serious problems in our society about basic human respect that isn't even discussed here in Canada. This is why Canada will always be behind places like the States in regards to more equitable opportunities for people of color and more respect at the social level, which is in my opinion, more important.
I recall when I was in high school, white students were never in class. Many of them were skipping to bang their white girlfriends, and/or smoking weed. The only kids in class were the Brown and Asian kids. They did the math, the physics, the chemistry. Somehow though, these white kids all passed with great grades and got into university. Not in class, not doing the work, not learning a thing.
How does this happen? White teachers grade on a race scale. "I'll look after my own" type of thing. Hard to prove, but easy to tell. So a high school transcript does lie. And this is the basis for university admissions. So universities have a color blind policy, because the high school teachers are completely biased in their grading. High marks = entrance into the best schools, money from scholarships etc. How do you think all these white kids get to somehow go to Queen's and Western without being in class and smoking weed all the time? It doesn't change in university. I know a ton of white people who have cheated to get through university (while still smoking weed, and fucking their girlfriends).
Look at high school demographics, then look at University demographics and see if they match up. I can tell you in my classes they definitely didn't, and as usual the white kids somehow did better without being in class -copying other people's work, submitting last year's work, Professors and TA's grading their own higher than non-whites. This is why I always look at the way Canada treats non-whites at the basic level. You can hide your racism, and discriminate in major ways that matter (grading, hiring etc.). Basic level treatment would be: How many times was I invited to a white person's house for dinner? (for me, it was maybe five times in 40 years), for birthdays? into their homes? etc. How many of them would really be comfortable with me dating/fucking their daughters (not many), and how many white girls did I date in high school - none. In university it was funny, because you then become the "exotic" fling a white girl wants to have so she can brag to her friends, or check it off her list of guys she's fucked on the downlow, behind their boyfriend's back. You wouldn't believe how many white girls wanted to fuck me in college while their boyfriends had no fucking clue. I am not like that, and have only once done that, out of maybe hundreds of approaches, but these same white girls would never go out on a date with me, be seen in public walking on the street with them, or acknowledge me in class. Fucking bullshit.
The whole point I am trying to make is if the respect isn't there at the basic level, it won't be there at the professional/academic level. People think the same, but act differently in different circles because they don't want people to find out what they really think, such as the many racist teachers and professors out there who do grade on a race level, which does exclude minority access to schools (or more importantly the schools "their own" go to - cough Queen's and Western cough), who wouldn't want their daughters to date outside their race. Or the white girls who fuck other non-whites behind their white boyfriend's back as a trophy fuck.
It doesn't change. This whole issue of race based admissions touches upon some real serious problems in our society about basic human respect that isn't even discussed here in Canada. This is why Canada will always be behind places like the States in regards to more equitable opportunities for people of color and more respect at the social level, which is in my opinion, more important.
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No. Affirmative action is racism.
If certain groups are struggling to get into college or university, and that struggle is no fault of their own, the root of the problem should be addressed. Instead, we seem to ignore the issue, then offer some form of reparations for those struggles in the late teens and early twenties. Lowering the bar for a certain section of the population, but not others, is not even remotely fair. Providing a source of equal opportunity (rather than representation) is the way to go.
If certain groups are struggling to get into college or university, and that struggle is no fault of their own, the root of the problem should be addressed. Instead, we seem to ignore the issue, then offer some form of reparations for those struggles in the late teens and early twenties. Lowering the bar for a certain section of the population, but not others, is not even remotely fair. Providing a source of equal opportunity (rather than representation) is the way to go.
Sir, you make a lot of sense.
A friend of mine is a fireman and he said they lowered the bar (to be "fair") to 170lbs (or something like that) for female firefighters. So, if you are 200 lbs and dying in a fire, a female firefighter is not expected to haul your ass out of a burning house because you weigh more than 170 lbs.
