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should psychedelics be legal for therapy?

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Big Rig

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Already legal in some places: Jamacia, the rain forest, Amsterdam have legal retreats for tourists

Legal in Canada and USA for religious use. Will be legal soon in Canada for therapy as it cures PTSD, addictions. Already popular with overachievers in finance, business, sports etc esp micro dosing

Time to educate ourselves

Interesting vid

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The research was made illegal in the sixties. That was a really bad idea. We need accelerated research and trained psychotherapists to ensure safety

I hope they hurry up as I wanna try them in a safe setting. Having them the first time will take courage.

I disagree with their use as a party drug. They are plant medicine and should be respected as such.

Myself, I want to start with MDMA as it is not a psychedelic and it teaches you deep self-love. That should change you.


The ego death you experience on psychedelics sounds scary but fascinating. How does that change you?


Psychedelics do not make you crazy as you always come back to your normal state even if it was a bad trip so why not make them legal?
 
You never told us how your shroom and LSD experience went and how you felt during and after.

This stuff is good to show people the existence beyond the ego and self. It opens up the door to the beyond however a person still needs to put in the work to understand it all and actualize to benefit from the experience because it will just fade like a dream. Some people canÂ’t handle this truth because of their ego and selfishness and sends some into downward spiral and depression and can trigger dormant disorders.

Yeah, I agree this stuff can help people provided it is done responsibility and administered by trained professionals. Good on them for taking steps in making it legal for therapeutic use. I donÂ’t know how I feel about making it legal for recreational use like weed and alcohol knowing it can permanently change people.
 
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You never told us how your shroom and LSD experience went and how you felt during and after.

This stuff is good to show people the existence beyond the ego and self. It opens up the door to the beyond however a person still needs to put in the work to understand it all and actualize to benefit from the experience because it will just fade like a dream. Some people canÂ’t handle this truth because of their ego and selfishness and sends some into downward spiral and depression and can trigger dormant disorders.

Yeah, I agree this stuff can help people provided it is done responsibility and administered by trained professionals. Good on them for taking steps in making it legal for therapeutic use. I donÂ’t know how I feel about making it legal for recreational use like weed and alcohol knowing it can permanently change people.
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As it is illegal,Terb may ban talk of actual use. This thread is about discussion which freedom of speech allows, not about personal consumption
 
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You never told us how your shroom and LSD experience went and how you felt during and after.

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MDMA flipped with shroom is always beautiful as the MDMA seems to stop anxiety that can come from shroom. LSD lasts too long for me to try. If you have a bad trip you are stuck on top of mount sorrow for 10 hours
 
261252 said:
MDMA flipped with shroom is always beautiful as the MDMA seems to stop anxiety that can come from shroom. LSD lasts too long for me to try. If you have a bad trip you are stuck on top of mount sorrow for 10 hours
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I come to realize it’s mainly ego making someone trip bad.
 
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I come to realize it’s mainly ego making someone trip bad.
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Not really.

Rule # 1 when dosing: Consider (mind) set and setting.

If you are in a shitty mind set, dosing will not help, in fact it will probably amplify your negative feelings.
If you are in a setting that you don't feel safe, you are less likely to completely succumb to the dose and get maximum benefit from it.

Set and setting are priority for a good trip, otherwise you may end up in a space where you really do not want to be, and you are stuck there for hours.

So I have read.
 
apoptygma said:
Not really.

Rule # 1 when dosing: Consider (mind) set and setting.

If you are in a shitty mind set, dosing will not help, in fact it will probably amplify your negative feelings.
If you are in a setting that you don't feel safe, you are less likely to completely succumb to the dose and get maximum benefit from it.

Set and setting are priority for a good trip, otherwise you may end up in a space where you really do not want to be, and you are stuck there for hours.

So I have read.
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You Tube anything by Paul Stamets including Ted Talks and the Joe Rogan podcasts magic mushrooms ( Psilocybin ) are an untapped tsunami of benefits to millions of sufferers of depression anxiety panic attacks and general lack of well being, Pauls videos are an absolute must-watch for people traumatized by big pharma and the brutal side effects of pharmaceutical psychotropic drugs.

I speak from personal experience.

LJ
 
They may never become legal. There will always be some idiot who eats shrooms and decide to drive.

On a side note, I took shrooms just as a Black Sabbath concert was about to begin...and say Tommy Chong. Never tried peyote.

 
lessjamie7 said:
You Tube anything by Paul Stamets including Ted Talks and the Joe Rogan podcasts magic mushrooms ( Psilocybin ) are an untapped tsunami of benefits to millions of sufferers of depression anxiety panic attacks and general lack of well being, Pauls videos are an absolute must-watch for people traumatized by big pharma and the brutal side effects of pharmaceutical psychotropic drugs.

I speak from personal experience.

LJ
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So true :thumb:

The only psychedelic I took was over 20 years ago during high school. It was never a big dose and just a few times. Maybe a few grams of the magic mushrooms. I got out of this stuff when I went to university and haven’t touched it since. However I now realize that it jailbroke my mind to allow me to tap into my consciousness and always left a part open to explore deeper if I ever wanted this. In the past 10 years I have been trying to actualize and pursue spiritual side just because it felt like the right thing to do and had the time while kids growing up. Now that I look back I can see how they helped me tremendously deal with some big trauma like experiencing war, having a few near death experiences with PTSD uncles and guns, coming here with barely anything to escape the war, not knowing language and wearing ripped and old clothes for a few years, watching a loved one die literally in front of my eyes eyes b/c of cancer plus extreme pain over a 3 month period including the psychological toll and trauma that took, seeing them fade and become very hurtful and I never left their side even when they got so nasty and selfish. I always managed to find a way to deal with it, deal with any type of depression and things just started making sense to me when I started to dig deeper. I didn’t really follow these spiritual gurus like Ekhart Tolle or Leo from Actualized.org or any deep meditation however after doing the work I arrived at similar insights and then found these guys and was like holly fuck balls I am not alone in this thinking. I think Eckart Tolle was close to suicide and chose to be reborn and had his awakening then instead of death. I don’t think he took psychedelics. The Actualized guy started as a hardcore atheist and now is hardcore woke and still awakening individual specifically when he started using psychedelics. I don’t think Leo is there yet because of his God obsession however is getting there and has great content if you filter his stuff.

Having said all this I think psilocybin helped me a lot through life and now it feels worthwhile regardless what happens if there is god or not. It doesn’t matter because I feel god through love and being present in the moment. Maybe it was a combo of traumatic experiences and brain being jail broken however I have never felt more content and happy as I do now. I feel love all the fucking time even when people try to hurt me. The Ego part of me is like bitch if you only knew what I went through you would cry lol but I just take it and look at them and show them love. The awakened part finds the beauty and love in the pain of the experience.

I think psychedelics have a huge potential to help people by jail breaking their mind and breaking down their programming and helping to overclock their CPU and raising consciousness. However, the person still needs to go through the process of awakening, feeing pain, life, introspecting, asking questions and digging as deep as they can follow the rabbit hole. Effort and will is still needed to find your truth. Pain will help motivate you and the heart will be your compass to your absolute truth and raising your consciousness will be your journey as cheezy at it sounds. However make sure you have a heavy grounded anchor because a lot of people can get lost in this shit like what happened to Leo from Actualized.org when did a retreat of 30days of taking 5meoDMT he almost died pursuing god and luckily his friends and family were his grounded anchor. Think of inception and the spinning top, the train and girl jumping from the hotel room. Be careful with this stuff.
 
This was was just posted 12 hours ago. I follow this guy and has great content.

In this video he talks about the different stages of psychedelics including the breakthrough. Looks like this can apply to any psychedelic however he is referring to DMT. I love his last part where he talks about breaking through, kind of living another existence inside your consciousness and then coming back to reality and needing to remember your human life and how it’s a humbling experience.

I think he does a good job explaining the experience.

 
lessjamie7 said:
You Tube anything by Paul Stamets including Ted Talks and the Joe Rogan podcasts magic mushrooms ( Psilocybin ) are an untapped tsunami of benefits to millions of sufferers of depression anxiety panic attacks and general lack of well being, Pauls videos are an absolute must-watch for people traumatized by big pharma and the brutal side effects of pharmaceutical psychotropic drugs.

I speak from personal experience.

LJ
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Yep. I have read many of Paul's books.
And I love the two podcasts that Paul did with Joe Rogan.... they are both a must watch... very eye-opening.
 
Polaris said:
Still tripping out man ... man ...

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First saw this at the Kingsway theater Bloor and Royal York back then you could smoke dope in the theater, can you believe that we all got blasted on black hash dumbo and honey oil. Saw Texas Chainsaw there too crazy place great times.

LJ
 
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