I happen to think Amerigo Vespucci was a pretty cool guy.
And I don't care if the whole wide world disagrees.
And I don't care if the whole wide world disagrees.
Pro-Americans
- Thread starter Drunken Master
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Pro-American, Anti-American
Are we talking about the tenets upon which the country was founded, the de facto value system, the political system, the economic system, the culture, or the people themselves? Depending on these different definitions, a person could be pro-American and anti-American at the same time.
If we are talking about the people, then there are Americans I like and Americans I don't like. I feel this way about Canadians, Brits (my country of orgin), and people from other countries also.
I cannot stand the current political administration. Does that make me anti-American? If it does, then the same must be said about (roughly) 50% of the American electorate.
Are we talking about the tenets upon which the country was founded, the de facto value system, the political system, the economic system, the culture, or the people themselves? Depending on these different definitions, a person could be pro-American and anti-American at the same time.
If we are talking about the people, then there are Americans I like and Americans I don't like. I feel this way about Canadians, Brits (my country of orgin), and people from other countries also.
I cannot stand the current political administration. Does that make me anti-American? If it does, then the same must be said about (roughly) 50% of the American electorate.
Anyone want to place a bet on when this gets hijacked and turned into another "Bush is the anti-Christ" thread? 
big dogie said:
The line between church and state continues to become more blurred since George W. Bush became president. If he gets relected how many Supreme Court Justices might he be able to nominate with 4 more years?... 'The Horror The Horror'. *I* was also wondering if "God is an American" is he/she/unknown.. related to Americanson?... A rhetorical question, NO offense intended. Beer induced musing from Dabbler
Dabbler said:
Two. Stevens at 84 will not likely stay another four years, and if Bush is elected I think Reinquist will step down to make room for a younger conservative ideolouge. If Kerry is elected, Reinquist will probably try to stick it out until the next election. The rest of the justices are relatively young and healthy, by Supreme Court standards anyway.
Apparently it takes only 11 posts to hijack a pro-American thread.....
In addition to Stevens and Reinquist, any conservative Justice who is contemplating retirement will want to step down while Bush has the opportunity to name a successor.
In addition to Stevens and Reinquist, any conservative Justice who is contemplating retirement will want to step down while Bush has the opportunity to name a successor.
Dabbler said:
The seperation of Church and state was never met to keep God from government, but rather Government from God.
That is to say, our Founding Fathers lived under a religious persecution. Where the only acceptable religion was that of the KING. And if you were not of the same ilk you could not own land or be heard.
No we in America still find that idea offensive and provide the freedom to practice your religion. Unless it violtes laws and human rights. But even then you are charged with a legal violation and not one of being the wrong religion.
So while those out there find the very idea of Christian morals finding its way into a leaders choices. He has that right to base his opinion based as much on beliefs and counterdicting facts.
How come no one ever whines about REV. Jesse Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton?? After all they are ORDAINED MINISTERS, yet very political and even canidates at one time. So before you say BUSH is bringing God to the table remember my ansistors died for his right to.
Great things about America? Let's see:
Baseball
Jazz
Lincoln
Getting to the Moon
More Nobel Prize Winners than anywhere else
The Peace Corps
Michael Moore & Ann Coulter
HBO Programs like The Sopranos
Defeating Communism (there's a can of worms)
Edison
Citizen Kane
And those are just things that come to mind before my first coffee of the day.
Baseball
Jazz
Lincoln
Getting to the Moon
More Nobel Prize Winners than anywhere else
The Peace Corps
Michael Moore & Ann Coulter
HBO Programs like The Sopranos
Defeating Communism (there's a can of worms)
Edison
Citizen Kane
And those are just things that come to mind before my first coffee of the day.
..actually of course what happened is the States was first colonized by the Puritans who left England because they felt that
the " Kings" religion was getting too watered down. So they came to America and the colonies were completely religously intolerant, ever heard of the Salem witch trials ? The Founding Fathers probably realized the Religious prosecution was just one more way the Govt could screw you so the tried to seperate that away from the Govt. No doubt because their ancestors knew what a lousy place the early colonies were, each colony was a mini Theocratic state.
the " Kings" religion was getting too watered down. So they came to America and the colonies were completely religously intolerant, ever heard of the Salem witch trials ? The Founding Fathers probably realized the Religious prosecution was just one more way the Govt could screw you so the tried to seperate that away from the Govt. No doubt because their ancestors knew what a lousy place the early colonies were, each colony was a mini Theocratic state.
assoholic said:
I think you are confusing, as many do the term Founding Fathers with colonist. The Salem trils were in what year??? and the USA was born when?? Seems to me you are connecting the two by merly finding them on the same land mass. That would implicate Canada in the same breath, by this train of thought.
You are also overlooking the concept of religious freedom. The freedom to believe or disbelieve as one sees fit.
We need to seperate spirituality from religion.
Why I don't care if a leader is guided by spirituality I do care if he is guided by religion.
Those are two seperate issues.
Why I don't care if a leader is guided by spirituality I do care if he is guided by religion.
Those are two seperate issues.
..true , I am looking at the States as a progression from the early Colonist on and attempting to paint a picture of a few of the factors that led the founding fathers to try and seperate religion from the Govt. I am very aware the Early Colinists were there in tje 1660's and the Founding Fathers did not show up until the 1770's.
assoholic said:
Yea but paint the picture acurately
Jamestown was also settled as well as Plymoth.
Also remember the puritins were anything but pure. And were under the rule of England, not self governing at the refrence point you give.
