Preseason vote... NHL Scoring Leader 06/07
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hammertm said:
Thorton won the points title and Cheechoo won the goal title???Jagr finished second in both but obviously won neither!
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I'm thinking he is finally going to have an injury free year and win the scoring title. And there it's Heatley, not Heatly
I'm thinking he is finally going to have an injury free year and win the scoring title. And there it's Heatley, not Heatly
the secret worry out of washington is that ovechkin has only scored 1 assist in all of his preseason games and that includes playing with zednik.
I think both Crosby and Ovechkin have an excellent shot at it with the extra year's experience. They are both playing on teams that aren't going to be contending anytime soon, thus nobody will be holding them back from play just for their own stats, since they are in fact the only reason for anyone to buy a ticket to a Pens or Caps game, or tune in to watch on TV.
Crosby has a bit of an egde in terms of good talent surrounding him.
As the league gets a little more used to both Crosby and Ovechkin, they'll find that they are less able to do things on their own and will need to use their linemates more. While Ovechkin is tougher to handle one-on-one (or one-on two for that matter) I think Crosby has a bit of an edge in using the other players on the ice and will have a better season this year.
Crosby has a bit of an egde in terms of good talent surrounding him.
He might get off to a slow start after his first full year including a very emotionally draining effort in the Olympics and the high impact physical game he played all year in Washington. I don't think Zednik is necessatily an asset, he just doesn't use his good shot enough and is inconsistent.
As the league gets a little more used to both Crosby and Ovechkin, they'll find that they are less able to do things on their own and will need to use their linemates more. While Ovechkin is tougher to handle one-on-one (or one-on two for that matter) I think Crosby has a bit of an edge in using the other players on the ice and will have a better season this year.
Crosby might be the one that is tougher 1 on 1... he's definitely the stronger of the two- both in strength and in skill and stays on his feet better than almost any superstar out there... not taking anything from AO, but, he AO, is 3,almost 4 years ahead of Crosby when considering how much longer pro experience he has by playing in a pro-mens superleague in russia... he is also 2 years more advanced in age. also, AO's game is that he's purely a better shooter and hitter. but the shooter title could be called into question also (not that i agree that it should be questioned), Syd has a bit more accurate shot, his scoring %age is much higher, but that is due to the pure volume that AO shoots on net. 425 shots on net! 2nd was Jagr at 368 shots, then Olli Jokinen at 351. it is my opinion though that AO is still a better natural goal scorer and hitter than Syd. Just as how Lemieux was a better natural goal scorer than Gretzky- Gretz was still the better player.
many people say Crosby's the best to come since Gretzky. this has been said before about Lemieux, Jagr and even Eric Lindros at one time. but, the one thing that stands out is the growing consensus among his opponents in the nhl now saying that he will probably have a Gretzky like career. he has taken on the big game as a teenager- the youngest active player last season, the youngest ever to have scored 100pts., in fact and Syd clearly excels at it.
many people say Crosby's the best to come since Gretzky. this has been said before about Lemieux, Jagr and even Eric Lindros at one time. but, the one thing that stands out is the growing consensus among his opponents in the nhl now saying that he will probably have a Gretzky like career. he has taken on the big game as a teenager- the youngest active player last season, the youngest ever to have scored 100pts., in fact and Syd clearly excels at it.
I'm wondering how many points Syd will get this season... it will be difficult for him to repeat his rookie performance, yet he should be able to do it with his talent and skillset. I still think Syd is 4 years from breaking out. He's still a teenager. We'll have to see. Certainly if Syd gets 'only' 70 points this year, most will see this as a huge upset. It's not, though.... not for a 18 or 19 year old, that's for sure. Besides, how many points did the rookie leader get in 03/04? 63. For that person to get 70 in his sophomore year, that would be a considerable increase.
as is for every season's predictions, everyone sticks to the performers from last year.
a year ago at this time, Martin St. Louis stole a huge majority of the votes. guess what Kovalchuk and Sakic were 2nd and 3rd...
not bragging at all... i usually suck at predictions, but i use game theory statistics that i learned back in philosophy to make my predictions... i use the only logical choice i know of... sometimes it pays off, most times not...however, i was the only 1 who picked thornton at preseason... lucky for me i stuck with him through the good and bad of the season...
a year ago at this time, Martin St. Louis stole a huge majority of the votes. guess what Kovalchuk and Sakic were 2nd and 3rd...
not bragging at all... i usually suck at predictions, but i use game theory statistics that i learned back in philosophy to make my predictions... i use the only logical choice i know of... sometimes it pays off, most times not...however, i was the only 1 who picked thornton at preseason... lucky for me i stuck with him through the good and bad of the season...
21pro said:
Boy ain't that a surprise. Ovechkin held off the scoresheet for the homeopener... and a -4 to boot! and the people from rogers sportsnet pick him as the best player in the nhl...
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Top 5 scoring as of November 2nd early morning...
Eric Staal 11th place
Joe Thornton 14th place
Dany Heatly 21st place
Joe Sakic 29th place
Alexander Ovechkin 42nd place
Daniel Alfredsson 215th place
and some others from the list...
Eric Staal 11th place
Joe Thornton 14th place
Dany Heatly 21st place
Joe Sakic 29th place
Alexander Ovechkin 42nd place
Daniel Alfredsson 215th place
Top 5 Nov29th:
1 Jagr 37
2 Hossa 35
3 Brind'Amour 33
4 Crosby 32
5 Nylander 32
Crosby's 1.6 points per game is the nhl's highest for any player that's played 8 or more games. next best is Jagr at 1.48 ppg.
Top 6 goals
Marian Hossa, Atl RW 26GP 17 goals
Brendan Shanahan, NYR LW 25gp 17g
Thomas Vanek, Buf LW 24gp 16g
Ilya Kovalchuk, Atl LW 26gp 16g
Alexander Ovechkin, Was LW 24gp 16g
Darcy Tucker, Tor RW 26gp 16g
1 Jagr 37
2 Hossa 35
3 Brind'Amour 33
4 Crosby 32
5 Nylander 32
Crosby's 1.6 points per game is the nhl's highest for any player that's played 8 or more games. next best is Jagr at 1.48 ppg.
Top 6 goals
Marian Hossa, Atl RW 26GP 17 goals
Brendan Shanahan, NYR LW 25gp 17g
Thomas Vanek, Buf LW 24gp 16g
Ilya Kovalchuk, Atl LW 26gp 16g
Alexander Ovechkin, Was LW 24gp 16g
Darcy Tucker, Tor RW 26gp 16g
Top 5 Dec 14th:
1 Crosby - 47 pts. (on pace for 139 pts. with only 27 games played 1.74PPG - league leading above 10 games played)
2 Jagr - 44 (on pace for 116 pts.)
3 Selanne - 43
4 Hossa - 42
5 St. Louis - 41
Top 5 Goals:
1 Hossa 22
2 Shanahan 22
3 Selanne 19
4 St. Louis 18
5 Lecavalier 18
10th Darcy Tucker w/ only 2 goals since Nov 24th.
Top 5 Defenseman scoring:
1 Pronger 34
2 Niedermayer 29
3 Gonchar 27
4 Kaberle 26
5 McCabe 26
Top 5 Rookie Scoring:
1 Malkin 30 (with rookie leading 15 goals in only 26 games played on pace for 47 goals)
2 Kopitar 25
3 Stastny 22
4 Penner 20
5 Wolski 20
as posted elsewhere earlier:
average goals per game right now is around 6. when Wayne Gretzky played in his first two seasons the average goals per game was above 7!
after Wayne Gretzky's first 109 games played as a pro (WHA & NHL combined), he had scored a whopping 137 points.
Sydney Crosby's play at the same age and after his 1st 109 games as a pro is the only player to score more at a younger age with his 153 pts.
goals have come easier in the early '80s as compared to now, and yet, Crosby is still finding a way to perform at such a young age in this game.
1 Crosby - 47 pts. (on pace for 139 pts. with only 27 games played 1.74PPG - league leading above 10 games played)
2 Jagr - 44 (on pace for 116 pts.)
3 Selanne - 43
4 Hossa - 42
5 St. Louis - 41
Top 5 Goals:
1 Hossa 22
2 Shanahan 22
3 Selanne 19
4 St. Louis 18
5 Lecavalier 18
10th Darcy Tucker w/ only 2 goals since Nov 24th.
Top 5 Defenseman scoring:
1 Pronger 34
2 Niedermayer 29
3 Gonchar 27
4 Kaberle 26
5 McCabe 26
Top 5 Rookie Scoring:
1 Malkin 30 (with rookie leading 15 goals in only 26 games played on pace for 47 goals)
2 Kopitar 25
3 Stastny 22
4 Penner 20
5 Wolski 20
as posted elsewhere earlier:
average goals per game right now is around 6. when Wayne Gretzky played in his first two seasons the average goals per game was above 7!
after Wayne Gretzky's first 109 games played as a pro (WHA & NHL combined), he had scored a whopping 137 points.
Sydney Crosby's play at the same age and after his 1st 109 games as a pro is the only player to score more at a younger age with his 153 pts.
goals have come easier in the early '80s as compared to now, and yet, Crosby is still finding a way to perform at such a young age in this game.
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top 5 points as of Friday evening, March 16th.
1 SIDNEY CROSBY C PIT 68 31 75 106
2 VINCENT LECAVALIER C TBL 72 48 48 96
3 JOE THORNTON C SJS 72 19 75 94
4 MARTIN ST. LOUIS R TBL 72 39 54 93
5 MARIAN HOSSA R ATL 73 41 51 92
top 5 goals
1 VINCENT LECAVALIER TBL C 72 48
2 TEEMU SELANNE ANA R 72 43
3 DANY HEATLEY OTT R 71 42
4 MARIAN HOSSA ATL R 73 41
5 ALEXANDER OVECHKIN WSH L 72 41
top 5 assists
1 SIDNEY CROSBY PIT C 68 75
2 JOE THORNTON SJS C 72 75
3 MARC SAVARD BOS C 70 70
4 DANIEL BRIERE BUF C 70 57
5 JAROMIR JAGR NYR R 71 57
top 5 defenseman scoring
1 SCOTT NIEDERMAYER ANA D 69 12 50 62
2 NICKLAS LIDSTROM DET D 71 13 47 60
3 SHELDON SOURAY MTL D 71 24 35 59
4 SERGEI GONCHAR PIT D 71 13 46 59
5 DAN BOYLE TBL D 72 16 41 57
top 5 defenseman goals
1 D SHELDON SOURAY MTL 71 24
2 D PHILIPPE BOUCHER DAL 65 18
3 D LUBOMIR VISNOVSKY LAK 66 17
4 D DION PHANEUF CGY 70 17
5 D DAN BOYLE TBL 72 16
1 SIDNEY CROSBY C PIT 68 31 75 106
2 VINCENT LECAVALIER C TBL 72 48 48 96
3 JOE THORNTON C SJS 72 19 75 94
4 MARTIN ST. LOUIS R TBL 72 39 54 93
5 MARIAN HOSSA R ATL 73 41 51 92
top 5 goals
1 VINCENT LECAVALIER TBL C 72 48
2 TEEMU SELANNE ANA R 72 43
3 DANY HEATLEY OTT R 71 42
4 MARIAN HOSSA ATL R 73 41
5 ALEXANDER OVECHKIN WSH L 72 41
top 5 assists
1 SIDNEY CROSBY PIT C 68 75
2 JOE THORNTON SJS C 72 75
3 MARC SAVARD BOS C 70 70
4 DANIEL BRIERE BUF C 70 57
5 JAROMIR JAGR NYR R 71 57
top 5 defenseman scoring
1 SCOTT NIEDERMAYER ANA D 69 12 50 62
2 NICKLAS LIDSTROM DET D 71 13 47 60
3 SHELDON SOURAY MTL D 71 24 35 59
4 SERGEI GONCHAR PIT D 71 13 46 59
5 DAN BOYLE TBL D 72 16 41 57
top 5 defenseman goals
1 D SHELDON SOURAY MTL 71 24
2 D PHILIPPE BOUCHER DAL 65 18
3 D LUBOMIR VISNOVSKY LAK 66 17
4 D DION PHANEUF CGY 70 17
5 D DAN BOYLE TBL 72 16
