Polygyny

I'm all for harems provided the participants haven't been groomed to be a sister-wife from CHILDHOOD, which is the really creepy factor of these close-knit religious isolationists. From the time little girls are born in their communities they are being brainwashed to desire/expect marriage to men much older than them, sometimes even the same men that raised them, and that's just f*#ked up no matter how you slice it.

If a man can convince several 20+ year-old women he starts courting to be in a sexual relationship and eventually all get married together, so be it, and my hat's off to him for having enough game to pull that off. But if he's some creepy preacher/patriarch telling female children (possibly even his own) that he's the Second Coming / Right Hand of Jesus and teaching them bullshit religious dogma that their duty is to surrender themselves to his Will and eventually become vessels for his seed, that guy needs to have his nuts snipped.
 
This is weird, eh? I know a woman who has 4 kids by 4 different fathers. Not illegal. Another TERB member said he knows a woman who has 5 kids by 5 different fathers. Not illegal.
 
SkyRider said:
This is weird, eh? I know a woman who has 4 kids by 4 different fathers. Not illegal. Another TERB member said he knows a woman who has 5 kids by 5 different fathers. Not illegal.
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One of the criticisms of the West leveled by Africans in particular, that we have become a culture of serial monogamy.
 
I don't like the excuse that young women are "forced" into plural marriages. It's analogous to saying that some young Muslim women are "forced" to wear the niqab.

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Aardvark154 said:
Bigamy and Polygamy have been illegal in the West since 285 AD.
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What is 'the west' ? The west I think of is North America but there wasn't much written history before Columbus discovered it in 1492 so the 285 AD must reference another area.
 
IM469 said:
What is 'the west' ? The west I think of is North America but there wasn't much written history before Columbus discovered it in 1492 so the 285 AD must reference another area.
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The west references the Catholic Christian world in Medieval times, as opposed to Muslim, Eastern Orthodox, Buddhist, etc.
 
I don't see anything wrong with polygamy. This ruling is bullshit. I cannot count the number of times I have overheard women complain that, "it's so hard to find a good man"!!!!

If only women learned how to share they could have had a good man instead of settling for something that is better than nothing or worse- becoming a lady with lots of cats!
 
oagre said:
The west references the Catholic Christian world in Medieval times, as opposed to Muslim, Eastern Orthodox, Buddhist, etc.
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Further to that all states which trace their heritage from that: Western Europe, the U.K., Eire, Canada, the U.S.A., Australia, and New Zealand. Further depending how broad one wishes to be Latin America as well.

Even more so is it an area of a common set of values.
 
Aardvark154 said:
Bigamy and Polygamy have been illegal in the West since 285 AD. In England it became a criminal (as opposed to ecclesiastical) offense in 1604 [The Bigamy Act 1604 (1 Jac 1 c 11)].

So this is nothing new, all the fuss in this instance was the Defence arguing that the Charter made this all illegal (even though I have little doubt that if they had prevailed, the Government would have exercised 'not withstanding' moving forward).
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Of course the law exists, but it is a silly law based on cultural/religious traditions and has no reason to exist in modern society. If Mature adults desire multiple spouses of whatever sex, why not allow it? It makes about as much sense as making it illegal to write with both hands . Pedophilia and marrying children is another matter of course.
 
SkyRider said:
I don't like the excuse that young women are "forced" into plural marriages. It's analogous to saying that some young Muslim women are "forced" to wear the niqab.

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Some are, some aren't. When you can define the test that equips society to reliably distinguish victims from the willing, you let us know. Until you do, we'll be stuck with using the same imperfect one-size-fits-all rules we've been using since we outlawed , I dunno, take your pick: human sacrifice, ritual prostitution, droit du seigneur. there's any number of proscribed stuff, like BDSM, that some folks voluntarily choose. Or since we attached ourselves to personal freedoms like choice of religion, speech and such that once could get you hung, drawn and quartered.

I'm sure some 13 year-old girls freely and sincerely choose celestial marriage to sixty-something bishops, just as some women choose the veil. But if the choice was forced, the dangers in the first situation are serious and immediate, while they're relatively minor in the latter.
 
wigglee said:
Of course the law exists, but it is a silly law based on cultural/religious traditions and has no reason to exist in modern society. If Mature adults desire multiple spouses of whatever sex, why not allow it? It makes about as much sense as making it illegal to write with both hands . Pedophilia and marrying children is another matter of course.
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If we have an uphill fight, the above is truly a Himalayan uphill fight. Far more people agree with us, than agree with Bigamy and Polygamy.
 
Aardvark154 said:
If we have an uphill fight, the above is truly a Himalayan uphill fight. Far more people agree with us, than agree with Bigamy and Polygamy.
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Not sure about now but I suspect the main opposition to plural marriages in the past probably came from females.
 
SkyRider said:
Not sure about now but I suspect the main opposition to plural marriages in the past probably came from females.
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And quite often would be advocated by women. In past society where a woman's role was to maintain the household, raise children, and attend to their husband's needs, why wouldn't you want to share the work? And considering it usually wasn't the poor average joe with multiple wives, the choice between living a wealthy life as one of many wives vs. living in squalor...
 
SkyRider said:
I would like to debate this point. An intelligent and rich individual like Bill Gates should be allowed to have as many wives and children as he can afford. This will improve the gene pool and benefit society as a whole.
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Brace yourself for the irony, but fewer males contributing to the replenishment of a population of a species leads to a decrease in genetic diversity within that population. A reduction in genetic diversity within a population eventually leads to—you guessed it—higher frequencies of genetic ailments (many of which are expressed in the form of lower intelligence and/or productivity) that otherwise would not have arisen. Hence why inbreeding is an objectively bad idea in the first place. What you're suggesting is conceptually the same but on a large scale set over a long period of time with wealth as the limiting factor.

But hey, sure, if the smart rich guy has more kids, there will be more smart rich people forever and ever. Because wouldn't it be great if one could say something that intuitive and be right?
 
bigbangupper said:
A reduction in genetic diversity within a population eventually leads to—you guessed it—higher frequencies of genetic ailments (many of which are expressed in the form of lower intelligence and/or productivity) that otherwise would not have arisen. Hence why inbreeding is an objectively bad idea in the first place.
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Good point. I think this was mentioned about the royal families of Europe because they usually only marry each other. Then there are the "island people". Is it true that all the Icelanders are related? Rich East Indians marry cousins to preserve the family wealth.
 
Aardvark154 said:
If we have an uphill fight, the above is truly a Himalayan uphill fight. Far more people agree with us, than agree with Bigamy and Polygamy.
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why? are they stupid or just jealous? Most people prefer KFC to broccoli...what does that prove?
 
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