Police cross the lines...overdoing?

[bigmike]

As a regular to Stripclubs like the Manor, Seductions and Sundowner among many others for a VERY LONGTIME I am sadden by the treatment these clubs are receiving from the local Police force. Yes, ride programs are good for the community, however if they are treating the whole community the same. In Guelph we have one stripclub and 10 bars downtown, yet the Manor receives a ride program almost everynght, while downtown has none? On any given night I can walk downtown and see open fights on the streets, drunken idiots everywhere jumping on top of cars as they are driving by or jumping in front of Taxi's as they drive by, should the Police control this area I believe so! In Niagara the Police harass the clubs on fairly regular basis and have little intention of ever going to the Hill, thus all the problems with the Kiddy bars are left unattended until the last second. Yes, I feel for those who have terriable accidents in the past and have lost loved ones to drunk drivers, and I am not one who ever drives drunk let alone even one alcholic drink, because I am not stupid! I just simply feel the police are just attacking Stripclubs because a few bible thumpers want them out of the area, well i pay tax too and I want them here! Stripclubs are liscence estblishment and
are controlled by LCBO,government agencies and must live by the rules they have written up. As a father, I am more concerned that my son will walk into
a uncontrolled area like a massage parlour and since he is below the age of 19
find himself in some real trouble. Massage parlours are not a controlled area by any standards by any gov't agency and anything can happen to him. I don't like the idea that these places do not have to live up to the same standards as anyone else and would think the police should investigate
these uncontrolled areas rather than bug, a bar that gave a licence to
in the first place. I think the police have to protect the entire community
not just the area's that a small percentage of people have a problem with!
Get the drugs, hookers, fights and any other thing of the street were it is not controlled and let our kids find out what right and wrong when they hit the proper age. The Police have a job to protect everyone, not the ones
who give them the most money or free donuts! Pulled over again, and had
to spend 20 minutes answering dumb ass questions yet again!

 

[Jimmy C]

As a father, I am more concerned that my son will walk into
a uncontrolled area like a massage parlour and since he is below the age of 19
find himself in some real trouble. Massage parlours are not a controlled area by any standards by any gov't agency and anything can happen to him. I don't like the idea that these places do not have to live up to the same standards as anyone else and would think the police should investigate
these uncontrolled areas rather than bug, a bar that gave a licence to
in the first place.

Bigmike, you obviously love your strip clubs as I did when I was younger and maybe they are a little overpatrolled. The thing is that the Manor has a target on their head after the various charges laid lately there in recent months. You really can't be surprised or upset at the additional LE activity as a result. As for the rest of the downtown bars, yes they obviously need more patrols curbing that kind of behaviour. What do you expect in a University town that is very, very boring?

You are seriously misinformed about MP's though. Did you check the licence on the wall of the last place you were in? Its there and you can find it in any of these places. Some have full body rub licences and others are licenced under other categories. Also, many MPA's are additionally trained paying fees yearly. Additionally, they are zoned just like many other businesses and can not set up just anywhere in many cities. Last I checked, they did not serve alcohol either which seems to be the root of the problem LE are looking to enforce.

That said, if they were such a problem I would have been put away a long time ago for stomping on all those passing vehicles along side the rowdy, drunken youth on my way home from another great session!

 

[ICYUNVME]

simply put....It's called HARRASMENT!

I an not stupid! I just simply feel the police are just attacking Stripclubs because a few bible thumpers want them out of the area, well i pay tax too and I want them here! Pulled over again, and had
to spend 20 minutes answering dumb ass questions yet again!

Agreed all establishments require licences and/or permits to operate. Whens the last time you saw an article demanding the harrasment stop? Stand up and be counted!

Political bandstanding and lobby groups have the stage because they are vocal. I think it could simply be put that adult entertainment establishments are not for everyone....If you object to them don't go....but don't interfere with my right to enjoy. When is the last time you saw a customer/owner state something publicly?

This being a democratic country only those who speak up are heard. Live and let live! Next time your stopped tell LE that you don't appreciate the harrasment everynight! As stated by one of our honourable MP's yesterday "This concerns my private life. People's private lives are none of the member's business," he said. LIVE & LET LIVE.

 

[bigmike]

Lets get serious boys..the Manor is being attack for providing serices upstairs and we all know.. the same services are avaiable at Massage Parlour, among other places! I am not crying the blues, but this is like the 5-6 time i have pulled over out of like 7-8 times attending the place. My concern is that they are letting other places in the Downtown area get away with things when the people who are generally attending the manor is a older crowd, the young crowd is no longer there. The City of Guelph and the Guelph Police Force need to focus attention of the city needs and sending 4-8 police cars
of small amount of cars they have on the road seems a little much to me.
They have a people walking straight lines on the road, they have guys
pulled over who never even had a drink and hey while I was standing they even pulled over a canadian cab and hassled the kids in the car getting a ride! Come On.. Oh yah, then they asked me if I had a criminal record "What difference does that make, I asked" Spend my tax money on more important things! Just ragging, I wonder if the person in charge of the Police is
a female, maybe fat and old and needs a little stick in her wallet....then maybe she can get off.......the Manor case!!LOL
Sorry boys still venting

 

[ICYUNVME]

Point Understood....Some Advice for Future Programs

Listen it’s quite simple…co-operate with the LE & don’t protest. Sooner or later they are going to see their beating a dead horse.

What to Do

Don’t answer any questions about where you’ve been, what you’ve been up to before you were stopped or provide any statements at all. If you are pulled over in a ride they may only ask one question. If you were followed out of an establishment the office must tell you why you were pulled over….demand to know why, it’s your right.

Don’t offer anything that leads to questions. You are not required to answer any other question other than the obvious…Have you had anything to drink?

If you answer yes they can ask you to take a breathalyzer, remember not submitting a sample carries the same penalty as an impaired. LE cannot make you do any roadside
Physical sobriety test, like walking a straight line, standing on one foot and touching your nose etc. Also they cannot ask you for hair saliva or DNA without a warrant.

Remember if you choose to talk to LE, what you say can be used against you in a future trial.