Phoebee is wondering If the ''agency'' fact actually scares people away !?

[Phoebee]

I been wondering ....

I been posting here & on others Ottawa review boards for a little while
and been advertising for MANY different great Ladyz, not that.. they all the best & the greatest , but not many reviews , I'll say a few , have been posted on since!! So I been asking myself ...

Are you guys automatically skipping on agencies girls ?

I receive lots of phone call that , when people realize its a '' receptionist '' answer the line and not '' THE '' girl ,they quick ask me if this is an agency and automatically hang up or tell me : No Thanks !

I guess it can be understandable .. but frustrating at the same time !
And it makes me wonder why you guys are so .... doubtful ... when it comes to book an SP that works for an agency .

I would like to know what are the factors or conditions that make you pick INDEPENDENT towards AGENCY ?!?

It Would give me a good hand and would help me serve you better
Thankssssssss xoxoxoxxoox

 

[o-dog]

Well for me, I like to deal with the girls directly. It gives me a brief indication of what they are like personally. And sometimes what they post on the other board makes them more attractive, knowing that there's something more to them than just being a beautiful girl. That interaction can make the difference in choosing who I want to spend my money on.

Other problem is that the agency acts as the 'shill' for the girls. It's part of the business so I don't have a problem with it. But with some agencies you'll ask about certain things and most of the time they'll just tell you what you want to hear so you'll book. They're not the ones showing up at the door with no idea you're expecting a full GFE when that's not what the SP offers.

Not every agency is like this, but it happens often enough no doubt. And it can suck for the client considering the amount of money you are spending.

Some guys don't like the fact that the girls aren't getting all the money either. Personally I don't see it like that since a girl that works with an agency doesn't have to worry about all the work between sessions - taking calls, arranging transportation, etc.

I think what another problem might be is that since the more seasoned board members shy away from agencies, they're not seeing some of the girls who are really good, and so they are not writing reviews about them. Before I found out about cerb and terb, I had 3 girls from one agency that were amazing, and I would have written glowing reviews about them. But they all vanished by then and I found some great indy girls and haven't gone back.

Plus, the unwritten rule is if you don't hear anything about a girl on these boards, you assume the service is mediocre. Bad service gets a writeup and good service gets a writeup. If you were with a nice girl but she wasn't that great a SP, generally nothing gets said. Like the expression goes, 'nothing to write home about'. So you could have a few great gals with you, but nobody knows...that's just a crackpot theory though

Now all of a sudden I feel like giving you a call to see if you're right about how great your girls are lol. Shit, wish I read this earlier when I had time to have someone over...another time perhaps

 

[YoungStud2]

Independents - it's just easier and better

Personally, I've found over the years dealing with agencies to be generally frustrating, with often poor service (late arrivals, last-minute cancellations, escort advertised on-line as working that day in fact not working that day, hyped performance promises by agency that escorts have no intention of delivering on - if they even know what was promised to the client, continuous busy signals, voice mailboxes that are always full etc. etc.) and often rude people to deal with on the phone when you do reach someone. There have been exceptions, but not enough to make me a fan of agencies.

Just because you start an escort agency doesn't mean you know anything about organization or customer service.

As well, many escorts have told me about being badly treated by agencies. I'm sure that's a two way street to some extent, with some escorts sometimes being difficult to deal with from an agency point of view. But it's not a street I really want to walk down.

And now there are so many good independents who are easy to deal with, who are totally reliable, provide outstanding service and who receive all my donation, no 30% to 50% cut off the top for a booking agency.

So the choice is pretty easy.

 

[mb12ca]

I would rather deal with independents as I find they charge a little less than what I have seen advertised through agencies. The only benefit of angencies, I have seen at least, is that they tend to hold true to their suggested menu than independents - that's a nice feature.

 

[twizzler2]

I think that given the choice (where the same sp works on her own and as an independent) most will choose the independent.

SPs who choose to work through an agency give up direct control over how they are marketed, which leads to inaccurate representation. They also give up direct knowledge of what a customer is looking for when they call, and direct feedback if the customer was dissatisfied. Some SPs provide really outstanding service naturally but were not great at running a business (completely different skill set). These SPs can do much better in an agency than they could on their own. But I think these are exceptionally rare. The more common scenario is that SPs start in the industry with an agency because it takes some of the slope out of the learning curve (someone else takes care of the business side) but the consequence is that they don't develop the ability to adapt their service to what their customers really want. This results in less repeat customer and a mediocre reputation. If that happens then they aren't likely to strike out on their own because they need the higher volume of new customers that constant marketing provides to stay solvent.

So in the end the SPs that stay with agencies tend to be worse at both the customer service and the business end of things than independents.

From a end customer point of view agencies are less desirable to deal with because;

1) we the end customer are not really the agency's customer the SP is

2) The SPs tend to not be as good (less reliable, poorer service..etc)

3) Agencies are a middle man, that means that someone else other than the SP you want to see has personal information about you.

The personal information can be a really big deal. Agencies keep client lists, we know this. On rare occasions agencies get busted and that client list can be compromised. There is also the potential for that information to be used against the client in the future. The agency's reason for being to make money as a business. If a client has a falling out with agency there is nothing stopping the agency from using that information in a vindictive way.

I'm not saying that is true of your agency, I've never heard anything bad about your agency,but there are others...

The thing about information is that once it is given it can't be taken back.

There is agency model with I've seen work. The LUV sisters model. Here you have a collection of SPs who formed a group and collective share the burden of running a business and only allow other SPs into the group who are already outstanding service providers.

My understanding is that they had SPs begging to join the group, because if you were one of the LUV sisters you were assured a high level customers and certain amount of respect that came with the name. Once that reputation was built it was golden.

T2

 

[Cobra Enorme]

independants all the way. Im not ordering a pizza. I want to talk to the girl first and get a vibe.

 

[labradorcf]

Independant: you get to talk to the person and can get answers to your questions right from the SP. Avoids confussion!

 

[Cowboy Kenny]

I think you'll find that in Ottawa that the experienced hobbiests prefer independents over agencies for many of the reasons stated above.

That's not to say that agencies don't have their place, each serve a different type of clientele and can work cohesively in a city the size of Ottawa.

Indies for the most part cater to a regular clientele with regular standing monthly or weekly appointments, over time a rapport and friendship develops and the formality of the business is less the focus as the relationship evolves.

While the same is possible for agencies, they tend to cater more to the newbies, tourists, business travelers and those hobbiests who seek more variety and quantity for their encounters. The wide range of girls and services that agencies offer is great for some, while a detourant for others.

Indies are very direct and upfront about taboos, restrictions and limitations, because you are dealing directly with the provider. The same can't always be said about agencies.

Providers working through an agency tend to offer a pay as you go a la carte menu, which for many hobbiests can be a negative and a mood killer, not to mention considerably more expensive. Indies tend to provide an all inclusive pay one price service wich is not as focused on the business end of the deal but rather the time spent with the provider.

Speaking of time, it's my experience that indies tend to be less likely to be clock watchers where as some agency providers can be under the gun as they have to rush off to another outcall appointment or have a guest arriving to the incall shortly after your visit.

As I've said before they both serve a purpose and have their pros and cons.

Agencies handle the booking, transport and administrative duties and that can be quite time consuming, hell I've known a few indies who could have been more successful had they worked for an agency because they were terrible at time management and rarely able to answer their phone.

 

[dummpy]

in the early 90's I remember agencies used to get the girl to call you back, you could have a conversation with the girl before the rendezvous. Now I do understand that with the advent of the internet and cell phones it has gotten a lot harder to actually phone someone, but it could be an interesting practice? That is my number one complaint is the lack of interaction before the money is laid down.

 

[twizzler2]

One good thing about agencies is that it tends to easy to make a same day appointment with a desired SP. Good independents often require notice days in advance. Unfortunately customers tend to prefer an appointment "when the mood strikes them".

I have a couple of ideas which might be useful to you PM me for details if you're interested.

 

[out4fun]

I know this is not the case, but in my mind I am more convinced that the girl is doing it more out of personal choice when she is independent.
I'm not sure why, but I'm uncomfortable with the thought of an agency. Even though its presented as a service to the sp's, I still can't overcome the thought of it being a middle man brokering the ladies. (even though I'm sure in most cases it's the sp's preference). Does this make any sense at all?

 

[Phoebee]

Thanks for all your reply guys , much appreciated xoxoxox

As I started as an SP myself , I guess I knew more of the answer ....
I first started with an agency and then became Indy ....

As a provider , Imma try to show my side of the ''problem''

First like you said Cowboy Kenny ; When you first began in the business , it gets hard to manage everything , so a agency comes very handy

- you don't know much about advertising website, getting the right clientele
- what those clients are looking for in you
- You never really had an example ,agency usually try to have a more
experimented girl to show you the ways
- answering the phone , scheduling appointments
- drive around , or find incall locations
- brings you security and you know someone lookin' out for you
- the agency actually get to know their clients and know their taste
and what they exactly looking for and refer them properly to the right
SP

and I can prolly name a lot more if I take the time to think a bit longer...

I think working for an agency is a great way to ''build'' your name , get yourself a good reputation and learn more about the business ... Thanks to Devilish Escorts who definitely does a great job and taught me a lot and gave me all the knowledge I needed several years ago! I wouldnt be where I am now if I didn't start this way ...

Then when I moved to Ottawa and started as an INDY , Yes for sure you get a little more money on each call ( usually 30%)..here's the difficulties you get ...

- You never sure how to filter the good/bad call (lots of prank calls!)
- Some clients are just 'bad' & disrespectful and sometimes you just dont
know how to deal with them
- Find reliable drivers, that actually care for you
- I never really encourage doing incall from your home , so credit card for
many girls is an issue when it comes to getting an Hotel
- answering the phone while you with someone , you end up loosing lots of
calls or you just buggin' the client your with if you actually pickin' up
- Pay for advertising ,find the right & Good advertising spot ....
- Lots of time spent on the phone (for some reason lots of people think we
a sex line or something like that hehe )
- Not that I was a clock watcher , but time is time and when you Indy some
clients tend to abuse and keep you around forever
- problems when its time to speak about donations
- Lots of customer , for some reason try to switch everything to a
'' relationship '' when you Indy
- and it takes you a certain time to get yourself good clients , while an
agency already has a whole clientele established
- and if you answering the phone for yourself , u'll make sure your describing
yourself has the prettiest and the best around... no ?!

and again I could prolly find more if I think a little more ...

Now as I client , I guess I could understand that many agencies have failed because of their selfishness or because sometimes they forget about the humane aspects and only thinks about money ... but you cant generalize or prejudice .... When I opened mine .. My first goal was to be in a business I love and Know .. and try to bring the girls a certain knowledge ... As we know , most of us are not born with a silver spoon in our mouth and our futur doesnt always seem very bright ! Lots of family isssues, men problems... Not a lot of schooling ... I might be speaking for me on this one .. but i try really hard to make the girls feels like we a big family and everyone can count on each other .. talk about past experience , goals & dreams ...
We all are very tight... and I dont refuse the fact that one day they might wanna go Indy, which is totally up to them and I'll prolly help them achieving it ! And I'm sure its not only me , But agencies usually care a lot about their girls and try to help them with their life and give them the attention and support they need ... and Like you guys mentioned earlier Its not every girl that has business skills, she can be excellent at pleasing , but not doing so well with organizing & planning !

As an SP mysef ... I think I got to know what the clients & the girls are looking for .. and do my very best to try to please everyone
( I guess its one of the reason I started this agency , I've realized that a woman all by herself couldnt please the whole world ) I might have done mistake , but critics are always good if you wanna make it better !

I get all your points ... but I think its a bit sad that people tend to judge before they actually give the chance ! Dont you think ?!

 

[OnTheWayOut]

Another possible reason

I like to deal with small businesses when possible. The local butcher, the roadside fruit and vegetable stands, the shoe store in my small town. These people truly appreciate my business and also sell good stuff and know what they're doing.

So it's no surprise I usually deal with indy's. More of the personal small business feel to it. I've only dealt with a few agencies usually because they had someone in particular I really wanted to see. I've had mixed results, some were awesome, some made me feel as if I was just another guy to rush out the door.

I don't have anything against agencies, if they have someone I want to see I will call and use them. But overall I prefer to patronize the local girls who usually give more personal attention. But there's always exceptions to the rules both ways.