Phillipines hostage taking ends in tragedy.

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the guy had 15 hostages and a M16 on a bus. what do you expect the police to do?

(it was surprising that they let new media run a live feed that was airing inside the bus. he essentially saw every line of attack coming).

so sad to see such young canadians killed. one girl was just a 14 year old student.

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hinz

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Maybe, and that's maybe this tragedy would never happen when the hostages are not from the "nation of masters"...:eek:
 

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the guy had 15 hostages and a M16 on a bus. what do you expect the police to do?
It went on for 10 hours and they never brought in any experts to negotiate and take him out.
He was exposed at the bus door multiple times and snipers could have taken him out if they were there.
The local police were not equipped or trained to do the job well.

Did you see the cop who was busting the side window of the bus?
What the hell good was that supposed to do if he is stuck standing on the ground?

This was not a well executed operation performed by highly trained SWAT team.
It was pathetic.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20100824/china-manilla-100824/
 

richaceg

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1st SOP when hostage-taking takes place...Negotiate until all measures are lost.
 

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This was a very tragic situation and my sympathies to the victims. This is why i avoid places like this. Poor people driven to desperation, a corupt government that that has it's head so far up it's own ass, and a police force that is ill trained and ill equipped and amounting to nothing more than hired thugs with grade 1 education.
 

richaceg

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Ok guys, I just want to clarify some things and enlighten some of you regarding that situation.

The hostage taker was a decorated police officer that served for 30 years garnering a dozen various medals for his service. Last year, he was fired because of some charges against him that he says were completely false. He is saying that he was back stabbed by the system that he served his life for. Because of this, he lost all his retirement benefits. He was, I think, 2 years shy of retiring.

It was initially believed that the crisis could come to a peaceful conclusion. Among the hostage taker's demands was the he be reinstated to the police force and that his case be reviewed and be given fair judgement. By now, because the crisis involved foreign citizens, the Philippine media and some bystanders flocked to the scene to see what is going on. While the media broadcasted, the hostage taker also had access to a television inside the bus.

What really set things off was around 9 p.m. when the hostage taker's brother who is also a police officer was suspected of being a part of this crisis and the police force wanted to take him to a precint and question him. In the Philippines, when you don't have political connection and you cause a mess like this, a "questioning" could possibly mean that they would kill you off and dump your body somewhere. This ticked of the hostage taker and around 3 shots were heard in the bus. The bus driver also managed to escape and when he was safe he kept yelling that "All hostages are dead".

This caused the Philippine SWAT team to move and you guys know the rest of the story. While I agree that they did exhibit poor tactics, please consider that the assault team do not have the resources for training and equipment that would be available to their counterparts in developed countries around the world. Some of them only had their hats on for head protection lol. And I'm sure that if it was you who are in their spot, that you would also probably cower in fear. These guys only get paid $400 to $700 a month.

that is not totally the point. if you're a "decorated officer of the law" as what they say, that would be a bluff... the moment you pull the trigger on innocent people, your medals don't matter anymore. you are an enemy of the state. When the gov't fucks with you, you are fucked. the question i have in mind is whether some victims were killed by swat during the exchange or did her really gun them down by himself.
 

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the question i have in mind is whether some victims were killed by swat during the exchange or did her really gun them down by himself.
according to Philippine news, he was shot and they taught he was already dead from the sniper shot. and when the SWAT team tried to open or break some window glasses he sprayed his gun to the hostages. but they are examining the gunshot wounds to confirm from which gun killed the hostagesdue to stray bullets during exchanged of fire
 
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one of the hostages in the bus was interview last night and she quoted "he said he was not going to kill us and just want some answers, he the gun man only started firing becuase the police tried to rush the bus"
 

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Anybody care to notice the President was smiling when he apologized live to the Chinese.

Plus, check out some Facebook accounts that display uploaded photo shots showing some Filipinos officers and civilians smiling in front of bullets ridden tour bus.

BTW, it seems the Chinese just start 1st salvo of retaliation when the government abruptly freeze min monthly wage increase for 100K Filipinos domestic helpers/maids/assistant currently working in Hong Kong. These people haven't had take home pay increase for 12 years and now they have 100K Indonesian counterparts over there becoming "collateral damage".

Don't be surprised some Private Bankers working at HSBC or Citibank or Standard Chartered in Hong Kong would get contact from the government and be asked, with court orders to provide accounts info on those well heel Filipinos suspected to contribute the current President political parties and park their ill-gotten gains/corruption money in these institutions, freeze their accounts when necessary and hand in to say Interpol for money laundering investigations.

Having said that, let's see whether the Chinese would start another salvo by firing more Filipino workers and replace them with the mainlanders. Don't count on it. :rolleyes:
 

tribunus

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These Filipino authorities are a joke. The assault was a royal disaster. Then the photos of the grinning cops in front of the bus. And today I watched their doctors who couldn't put a sentence together try to explain how they're going to save the 18-year old Toronto kid with the head wound. If I was the family I would get that boy the fuck out of the Philipines as quickly as possible.
 

nottyboi

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These Filipino authorities are a joke. The assault was a royal disaster. Then the photos of the grinning cops in front of the bus. And today I watched their doctors who couldn't put a sentence together try to explain how they're going to save the 18-year old Toronto kid with the head wound. If I was the family I would get that boy the fuck out of the Philipines as quickly as possible.
The Phillipino cops did a bit better then the Germans cops did during the Munich massacare...
 

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Friendly fire suspected in Philippines hostage deaths

MANILA (AFP) - – Philippine investigators admitted for the first time Thursday that police may have shot some of the tourists in a bungled operation that left eight Hong Kong residents dead on a bus in Manila.

President Benigno Aquino said he expects to get the investigators' final report into the hostage incident on September 15, and pledged to fire officials found to have failed in their duties or file criminal charges against them.

"Our government is now focused on taking the necessary steps to prevent this tragedy from ever happening again," he said in a live interview on national television.

"Let me just say that this incident will not define this administration."

Armed with an assault rifle and a pistol, sacked policeman Rolando Mendoza took a busload of tourists hostage on August 23 in a desperate bid to clear himself of extortion charges and get his old job back.

Eight of the tourists were killed and seven others were injured in the central Manila standoff.

Police initially insisted the bullets that killed the tourists were all fired from Mendoza's guns. Other bullets were fired into the bus by police snipers and an assault unit but they did not lead to fatalities, they had said.

But Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said Thursday: "There is a big possibility that there (was) friendly fire."

De Lima, head of an official inquiry, also said the forensic reports on some of the slain victims did not match the account of the driver of the tourist bus, who had told investigators the gunman shot the tourists at close range.

"What is crucial, occupying our minds, is if the shots were made at close range, (these) are not consistent with forensic findings," she added.

The entry points of the these wounds did not exhibit burn marks caused by the muzzle of a gun that was fired close by, she added.

Asked whether at least some of the victims could have been killed by "friendly fire," de Lima said: "We are not focusing (on that), but we should never miss that. Otherwise our report will be less than thorough."

The panel has asked the Hong Kong police to help with the ballistics aspect of the investigation, she added.

"Where did the shots come from, the hostage-taker, the assault team, or other teams? We doubt they all came from snipers and assault teams," said de Lima.

Ballistics experts say some of the bullets that hit the bus were fired from a distance further than the location of the snipers, raising the possibility that other units deployed in the area could have fired into the bus, she said.

Aquino has taken responsibility for the fiasco that has chilled ties with Hong Kong and damaged the Philippine tourism industry.

He vowed Thursday to form an elite force, based on Britain's Special Air Service (SAS) to deal with similar hostage incidents in the future.

"We will copy to a degree the formation of that national unit," which would be made up of between 200 and 400 soldiers and police capable of responding to any threat in any part of the country, he said.

Aquino said de Lima's report will serve as the basis for dealing with police and government officials who handled the Hong Kong tourist bus hostage crisis. This could include possible criminal cases, he added.

The president said he has asked the former Manila police chief Rodolfo Magtibay, who went on leave amid criticism of his role as ground commander during the hostage crisis, to file for an early retirement.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/afp/20100909/tap-philippines-crime-hijack-hongkong-5cc1ef8.html
 

nottyboi

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Good lord, what imbeciles... they had many chances to end it with a single head shot. Their cops are so useless, I don't know why they did not fly in a team from one of the more competent Asian countries like Singapore or Japan.
 
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